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In the weeks that have passed since the general election, there has been much legitimate debate in the conservative blogosphere about President-elect Obama’s citizenship. The debate follows litigation filed by Phil Berg (Pennsylvania), Leo Donofrio (New Jersey) and Alan Keyes (California). All three of those suits raise interesting points of law and fact. The bottom line is that no court will - or should - now bar BHO from taking office in 2009.

Some well-established principles of election law have been at work in the Obama case: Voter choice, ballot clarity and efficient administration of elections, to name three. Unfortunately, none of the interested bloggers have discussed these principles.

President-elect Obama was nominated in each of the fifty states (except Michigan), Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia in the manner mandated by the election law established in each of those jurisdictions. There are general principles of election law that underlie the process in each state and territory. A nomination is established, with a few exceptions, by a nominating petition filed by the legal deadline with the chief election law in the state or territory. There are a minimum number of signatures required, and qualifications for people who sign the nominating petition.

There are a number of ways that a petition can be deficient. If a petition is deficient, the appropriate election officer can refuse to permit the candidate on the ballot. If that does not happen, the petition is subject to legal challenge by opposing candidates. There is a very short window of opportunity for such a challenge. Bases for petition challenges fall into three basic categories: (1) Insufficient number of qualified nominating signatures; (2) technical deficiencies; and (3) the nominee lacks legal or constitutional qualifications or suffers from a constitutional or legal bar to serve in the particular office.

The reasons for the short time period for petition challenges are clear: The ballots must be prepared in a timely and orderly manner. Once they are prepared, the voters and the candidates then can rely on the ballot as prepared by the election official. In that time-honored manner, the voters know what their choices are and can be confident that their choice will be honored.

In the Obama case, not one of his opponents challenged any one of his petitions in any state or territory. Election litigation is one of the hallmarks of the Democratic Party. Indeed, President-elect Obama has benefitted from outstanding lawyering both in his initial State Senate election (in which his lawyers had the incumbent disqualified) and in his U.S. Senate election (in which his lawyers were able to push the incumbent out of the race). Sentator Clinton had dozens of outstanding election lawyers on her team. Some of her political allies served as chief election officers in the states and territories. She had the knowledge. She had the opportunity. She had the ambition. And Team Clinton is certainly capable of hardball politics.

Despite all that, Senator Clinton did not challenge any of the Obama petitions based on his legal or constitutional qualifications to hold office. Why? Lack of gumption? No. Lack of knowledge? No. Lack of resources? No. Perhaps Senator Clinton did not make such a challenge because her research indicated that BHO was legally and constitutionally qualified to hold the office.

Interested observers have asked: Well, why didn’t Obama produce his vault birth certificate to be examined in a court of law? The answer is easy: Because the legal issue was never properly framed in a petition challenge.

Now that the general election has taken place, it is too late to disqualify a candidate. The electorate in the states and territories had a very long period in which to consider their choices both in the primary and in the general. No court should now reverse those elections and the choices of one hundred and twenty million people. To do so would be to invite legal and civil chaos. To do so would create a power vacuum which could be a national security threat.

Citizenship will remain as a political issue for many, and it may return as a legal issue once the future President Obama begins to file nominating petitions for his re-election. But for now, the citizenship is moot as a legal issue where the 2008 election and 2009 inauguration is concerned.

Charles W. Fairbanks is the nom de plum for one of Men For Palin’s founders. He is an experienced election lawyer. MFP will be happy to provide a link to show his bonafides as an election lawyer in response to a bona fide request for information submitted by email to fairbanks@menforpalin.com

1 posted on 11/29/2008 7:34:28 AM PST by Charlie Fairbanks
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No court should now reverse those elections and the choices of one hundred and twenty million people. To do so would be to invite legal and civil chaos. To do so would create a power vacuum which could be a national security threat. (posted by Chuck and duck.)

Ok Chuck, let me get this straight; so regardless of how the Illegal Alien POTUS Elect pulled off this hoax, we the people should roll over because a bunch of Marxist idiots could threaten violence through civil chaos? Don’t they do that already? You know, shooting up RNC HQ’s, hitting old ladies in the head with wooden posts, following GOP supporters home and beating the hell out of them!!

Yep, time to move on, nothing to see here!

Chuck, you are a total tool and probably part of the Obamatron’s misinformation squad!


74 posted on 11/29/2008 8:32:43 AM PST by The Political genius
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Well Bob,
I know in the peoples republic of New Jersey many don't believe much in the constitution.

That's just not going to work for the rest of us.

78 posted on 11/29/2008 8:37:32 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Charlie Fairbanks

this issue needs to be engaged as if our lives depended on it.

For indeed our lives do depend on it.


80 posted on 11/29/2008 8:38:37 AM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: Charlie Fairbanks
What is the statute of limitations for fraud?

Three years form the time the fraud was known or should have known of the fraud.

81 posted on 11/29/2008 8:39:26 AM PST by radar101
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To: Charlie Fairbanks

Um, you forgot to take off your Obama kneepads when you signed up at FR, n00b. Your constitution must be a bit differently written than the one we revere at FR. Scurry back to your hidey hole, agitprop. We are not going to stop working to show the truth about your little Marxist squirrel. NAd the tagline isn’t much help to hide behind, fool. Your post proves what you actually are.


83 posted on 11/29/2008 8:42:39 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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"Don’t you think that Senator Clinton would have raised this issue in order to keep BHO off the ballot?"

LOL! So that makes him legit! That is the worst damn logic I have ever heard regardless of the issue.

88 posted on 11/29/2008 8:49:10 AM PST by avacado
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To: Charlie Fairbanks
“Charles W. Fairbanks is the nom de plum for one of Men For
Palin’s founders. He is an experienced election lawyer. MFP
will be happy to provide a link to show his bonafides as
an election lawyer in response to a bona fide request”

You mean Howes?
Do you think they are in the same class as a constitutional (Harvard) scholar like Alan Keyes?

99 posted on 11/29/2008 9:17:29 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Charlie Fairbanks
Maybe the framers of the constitution had a reason for insisting on natural born citizens.


104 posted on 11/29/2008 9:29:05 AM PST by 50mm (Waiting anxiously for my bailout.)
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“No court should now reverse those elections and the choices of one hundred and twenty million people. To do so would be to invite legal and civil chaos. To do so would create a power vacuum which could be a national security threat.”

Charlie, recommend you consider coming clean with your handlers and telling them you didn’t make it to first base on this site.
Let me add, there are no elections to reverse at the moment, despite your attempt to cower us into doing so.
Further, as others have pointed out, there is clear language in the 20th amendment that addresses this precise factual setting.
Finally, any legal and civil chaos that occurs will be caused by those who do not want to follow that clear language. You may have also noticed the general tone here is “Bring it on!”

Skipper18: “Removing him would now require a literal military coup.”
My response to both you and Charlie: I disagree but do believe there will be civil unrest by those who bought into the fraud.
“Courage is the price of freedom” (courtesy of Amelia Earhart).

Missnry: “Every red blooded conservative should be storming the capitol at this point until the alleged American produces what is REQUIRED of him.”
Actually, O, his handlers and his legal team have anticipated this scenario and are prepared to present all manner of misleading arguments and evidence in order to stall until after Jan 20.
I believe it would be far better that the Republicans prepare to demonstrate conclusively on Jan 8 that he is not natural born

STAND UP AMERICA! The presidential election is not over!
We voted for electors, not the individual candidates. The electors vote on or after December 15, 2009. The results are then presented to a joint session of Congress and objections may be heard on January 8, 2009 pursuant to the 20th amendment and Public Law 110-430. See the letter on my About page hand-delivered to the local offices of my Republican Senators and Representatives. I urge you to take similar action, even if it is simply faxing a one page letter to Washington, D.C.


108 posted on 11/29/2008 9:38:59 AM PST by frog in a pot
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So legal issue now preempt Constitutional law? Wow how this nation has slide down from the days of the founders.... The supremes are now the law of the land NOT the founding document.

Precedence is NOT this nation's friend.

124 posted on 11/29/2008 10:35:08 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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The bottom line is that no court will - or should - now bar BHO from taking office in 2009.
If I recall correctly, when U.S. Supreme Court Justices are sworn in, they swear an oath to defend and protect the Constitution. How can they, as a co-equal branch of our government, permit a violation to go forward of a constitutionally-mandated qualification for serving as president?

Berg may not have had standing and the lower courts might not have the power to do so, but I see the U.S. Supreme Court as the final arbiter as to whether or not a candidate can legitimately and constitutionally assume the office.

128 posted on 11/29/2008 11:01:33 AM PST by Bob
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Now that the general election has taken place, it is too late to disqualify a candidate.

The Constitution specifically speaks to dealing with a President-elect who fails to qualify. Did you ever wonder why, or have you never read the darned thing?

132 posted on 11/29/2008 11:12:49 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador said yes.

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. Further, here is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya


The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that.

In any case the supreme court--at Justice Thomas instigation-- is taking up the issue Dec 5
134 posted on 11/29/2008 11:25:03 AM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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There’s no reason to stop this train now that it’s moving. For $15, Obama could have made it all go away, but instead he has chosen to spend $800,000 and more. So the damage done to this socialist politician is totally out of proportion to the effort spent on it. Besides, we may just get the stars lined up and a Supreme Court that believes in the Constitution.


137 posted on 11/29/2008 11:33:10 AM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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OK, if this is true, I have one question.

Some are saying that if Barack Obama is not qualified to be President of the United States, then every decision he makes, every agreement the USA makes with other countries, is null and voic and not valid because it could be proven at some point that he is NOT natural born, and a constitutional crisis will occur.

I liken this election lawyer’s argument to saying that the right to bear arms is taken care of within local, smaller laws, and if you haven’t bought your gun by (making up a local law here) January 12th of a given year, that was it; it’s too late to still acquire one in that calendar year.

Doesn’t the Constitution trump these local or state election laws that allow a small window of time to vet the opposing candidate?

Thus wouldn’t we still be in a huge crisis if someone came along in 2 years and sued that our President is not eligible and nothing he does is valid?


146 posted on 11/29/2008 12:18:13 PM PST by Yaelle
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bkmk


147 posted on 11/29/2008 12:20:48 PM PST by novemberslady
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To: Charlie Fairbanks

We notice that you do not cite any case authority precedent and there would not seem to be any statutory authority for your position.

Please let us here on FR know if I am wrong and there is such precedent or authority.

Otherwise the situation would seem be one where a void act is void whenever someone with standing challenges it in court.


150 posted on 11/29/2008 12:39:22 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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152 posted on 11/29/2008 12:40:32 PM PST by They'reGone2000 (<--- Forwarding address: Galt's Gulch)
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To: Charlie Fairbanks
"The time to challenge President-elect Obama’s citizenship has long since passed."

Hahaha. I can't believe someone is actually trying to use that ploy. Sorry, Charlie, but we have not begun to fight.

153 posted on 11/29/2008 2:31:32 PM PST by Eastbound
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Why are you bringing Palin into this? She has nothing to do with the issue.

Are you hoping to gain credibility so you can sucker conservatives?

I don’t know if you are a leftist in disguise. But if you are, what’s it like knowing you can never advance your ideology on its own merits?


154 posted on 11/29/2008 2:39:05 PM PST by reasonisfaith (In lying to me, Mr. government official, you have granted me moral authority over you.)
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