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Special Forces Veteran Says 'No' to Courageous Restraint Medal for Troops Who Don't Shoot
Bob McCarty Writes ^ | 5-20-10 | Bob McCarty

Posted on 05/20/2010 11:30:09 AM PDT by BobMcCartyWrites

Jake Johnson is a veteran with more than a decade of Special Operations experience. Recently, I asked him about the so-called “Courageous Restraint Medal”.


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: army; courageousrestraint; military; specialforces
Jake Johnson is a man with more than a decade of Special Operations experience who left the service in 2006 for a sales career in Arizona. During a recent interview, I couldn’t resist the opportunity to ask him about a NATO proposal to award what some are calling the “Courageous Restraint Medal” to soldiers in combat.

Asked if he thought soldiers should be awarded medals for not firing their weapons, the 39 year old used a single word to answer: “No.” Immediately thereafter, however, he shared something from his experience as a Special Forces combat medic, something about which he thinks the typical American is not aware.

“While I was there (in Iraq), I didn’t just respond to American casualties,” he explained. “It’s not like in the movies where the bad guy gets shot and he dies.

“A lot of times, the bad guy gets shot for good reason and he doesn’t die. Well, guess what? That guy just bought himself an air evacuation within an hour to some of the best trauma surgeons in the world.

“A lot of Americans that I’ve told that to, one, can’t believe it, (and) two, when they hear that, they say, ‘Wait a minute!’

“They start thinking through it, and they think, well, “Did these trauma surgeons use their blood?” -- if they know anything about a trauma unit -- “Did they use their blood that’s on reserve?”

His answer: “Yeah, they absolutely did.”

When those same people ask whether the enemy fighters were place in beds reserved for American casualties, he replied, “Oh yeah. They did that, too!

“(Physicians) don’t question who the patient is,” he said. “When they get a patient, they save that life to the best of their ability and they use all of the resources they have at their disposal to do that.

“Not only do we do that, we’re committed to doing that kind of thing.

What kind of reaction did that get from the Iraqis with whom he fought?

“When they saw that, the Iraqi soldiers that we were working with couldn’t believe it,” he said.

He recalled them asking the incredulous question, “These are your enemies and this is how you treat your enemies?”

“I felt that was the right thing to do, and we did it whenever that opportunity presented itself,” Johnson said.

“Has the media ever really portrayed that? No, I don’t think so -- and (they) probably never will,” he continued. “But I think that’s a testament to who we are as a people, and I think there’s some value in that, too.”

Rules of engagement in warfare have attracted attention recently as a result of the “Courageous Restraint Medal” proposal, but date back to the 1990s.

“I first noticed when I went to Kosovo that there was a general culture that, if you were to fire a round, that you were going to be, it was going to be heavily reviewed,” Johnson explained. “To the credit of our commanders, (they) basically told us, ‘Here’s the rules of engagement, but if you feel that you need to....”

In other words, he said, commanders basically recognized that Special Forces soldiers are multi-million-dollar soldiers when it comes to the training that’s put into them and they have the ability to decide when to fire and when not to fire.

“That, by its nature, is what separates a Special Operations soldier from a typical infantryman,” Johnson said. “Because they train in shoot and no-shoot scenarios, they understand what type of scenario requires the use of deadly force.

“But I do know that my experience is that these kinds of situations create a culture of questioning whether or not you need to fire. And, if you do, you might end up in some sort of review process where you really have to prove that the situation warranted that type of action.”

When asked if the fear of review might cause paralysis on the battlefield, Johnson wasn’t willing to go that far. He compromised by saying the fear certainly causes hesitation which, in itself, is not good.

“You and I both know you don’t want to allow the enemy any kind of advantage,” he said. “It’s hard enough as it is, and you don’t need to give them any kind of advantage by putting hesitation in the minds of your soldiers who have to make that split-second decision.”

To that statement, however, he added a caveat: “Special Operations soldiers train constantly on shoot and no-shoot scenarios. If you were to watch them in their training, going through their typical high-level urban combat type training, (in) almost every scenario, there’s a no-shoot scenario put in there.

“And, if you’re in that training environment and you have a soldier who’s not properly taking that into account -- in other words, he’s engaging a no-shoot target -- that’s just the same as not being able to operate your weapon properly,” he explained.

“That no-shoot scenario is really a core principle of Special Operations.”

EDITOR'S NOTE: The name and location of the Special Forces veteran featured in the story above have been changed in order to protect him from individuals who might want to do him harm.

1 posted on 05/20/2010 11:30:09 AM PDT by BobMcCartyWrites
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

Ok now the Pentagon has slipped into an insane asylum.(and I mean that it deroguatory terms)

Gates is out of his mind.


2 posted on 05/20/2010 11:33:58 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: Marty62

The Pentagon are filled with Islamo-traitors.


3 posted on 05/20/2010 11:35:28 AM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain/Graham = La Raza's Senators)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites
That guy just bought himself an air evacuation within an hour to some of the best trauma surgeons in the world.

Oh, it's so much better to have that guy, the enemy, shoot your buddies, right? I'm sure Johnson would have no trouble at all explaining his "courageous" restraint to the family members back home.

4 posted on 05/20/2010 11:39:00 AM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: bgill

“Oh, it’s so much better to have that guy, the enemy, shoot your buddies, right? I’m sure Johnson would have no trouble at all explaining his “courageous” restraint to the family members back home.”

The Law of Armed Conflict and the Geneva Convention both require that those “hors de combat” (out of the fight, in this case due to injury) be treated humanely, which means that the triage process includes ALL wounded, not just the good guys. I know this will get hoots and catcalls, but we do it because it’s the right thing to do.

Flame away.

Colonel, USAFR


5 posted on 05/20/2010 11:52:16 AM PDT by jagusafr (Don't make deals with pirates)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

Great way to have an American mother get her son back in a body bag. Patton will be rolling in his grave.


6 posted on 05/20/2010 11:54:30 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: jagusafr
I know this will get hoots and catcalls...

No, not from me, I understand it...but...(sighs heavily)...I just wish the enemy felt the same way and practiced the same thing.

7 posted on 05/20/2010 11:57:48 AM PDT by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and Obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

I find it stunningly ironic that the ribbon is ALL YELLOW and looks A YARD WIDE!! What true patriot would WEAR a rag like that?!!!


8 posted on 05/20/2010 11:58:42 AM PDT by Tucker39
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To: jagusafr
I know this will get hoots and catcalls, but we do it because it’s the right thing to do.

It is the right thing to do.

9 posted on 05/20/2010 12:01:42 PM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites
Courageous Restraint Medal”

Otherwise known as the Barack Obama let them shoot you because America is bad Medal.
10 posted on 05/20/2010 12:01:48 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: jagusafr
I agree, Jag.

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
11 posted on 05/20/2010 12:05:18 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: Tucker39

Tucker39 — The graphic is my prediction of what the medal might look like.


12 posted on 05/20/2010 12:06:48 PM PDT by BobMcCartyWrites (BobMcCarty.com, Bob McCarty Writes)
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To: jagusafr

Right on, Colonel!


13 posted on 05/20/2010 12:08:07 PM PDT by BobMcCartyWrites (BobMcCarty.com, Bob McCarty Writes)
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To: OldSmaj

Amen, Sar-Major. Thanks for your service.

Colonel, USAFR


14 posted on 05/20/2010 12:29:17 PM PDT by jagusafr (Don't make deals with pirates)
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To: jagusafr

I stand with you, jagusafr. Treat the wounded - regardless of ‘side’. However, *IF* I was a trauma surgeon, and had to chose who to work on, I can’t say I wouldn’t be tempted to work on MY guys first, regardless of the level of injury.


15 posted on 05/20/2010 12:41:13 PM PDT by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: Ro_Thunder

Roger that - nobody said it’d be easy.

Colonel, USAFR


16 posted on 05/20/2010 2:33:12 PM PDT by jagusafr (Don't make deals with pirates)
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