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Hawaii elections clerk: Obama not born here
World Net Daily ^ | 6/10/10 | Joe Kouvacs

Posted on 06/10/2010 9:24:21 AM PDT by pissant

A college instructor who worked as a senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008 is making the stunning claim Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State.

Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for Honolulu, now teaches English at Western Kentucky University.

"There is no birth certificate," said Tim Adams, a graduate assistant who teaches English at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green, Ky. "It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there knows this."

Adams, who says he's a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination toObama, told WND, "I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters' identity."

He says during the 2008 campaign when the issue of Obama's constitutional eligibility first arose, the elections office was inundated with requests to verify the birthplace of the U.S. senator from Illinois.

The hottest book in America is the one that exposes the real Obama and all his men (and women)! Get your autographed copy only from WND!

"I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity," Adams explained. "I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama]."

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


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To: patlin

Okay thanks. I would do retractions if this was about white supremacy.


201 posted on 06/10/2010 1:54:24 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: LucyT; pissant; BP2; Candor7; patriot08; SatinDoll; george76; Seizethecarp; Red Steel; David; ...
Sorry to say, but Tim Adams would not be a useful witness in a legal case with respect to the place of birth issue, since his evidence is all hearsay, as it is based upon what others told him.

Nonetheless, he is to be admired for his courage.

202 posted on 06/10/2010 1:54:35 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: wintertime

BTW, Rush has given little hints that he has his doubts about Obozo’s origins. Savage and Cunningham have been overt about it. Hannity literally has zipped his lips. Buttbuddies Beck and O’Reilly seem to have made a pack to be as snide and sneerily obnoxious about “birthers” as possible.


203 posted on 06/10/2010 1:54:43 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: justiceseeker93
Sorry to say, but Tim Adams would not be a useful witness in a legal case with respect to the place of birth issue, since his evidence is all hearsay, as it is based upon what others told him.

Still, I'm sure Rev. Manning wishes he had come forward a month earlier.

204 posted on 06/10/2010 1:56:29 PM PDT by Kleon
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To: OafOfOffice

Huh???

And how exactly would that work??


205 posted on 06/10/2010 1:58:46 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
More and more comments and data for everyone to look at (Several FReeper comments included with my own) ---------------- "What were the names of the (Susan and Gretchen Nordyke) twins who were born that same day (8-4-61) but had NO announcement in the microfiche?

That, and the fact that they were born "after" Obama but have BC numbers from before the one he has...

and the strange address in the Obama announcement (neighbors deny the O’s ever lived there) is plenty of reason to be suspicious.

And the fact that the mom named "Stanley" is listed in the phone books of Hawaii and Seattle ---both, at the same time, 1961 --- while pregnant, supposedly ...

This is not a politician who requires ordinary scrutiny.

He is extraordinarily un-American and destructive and thus demands extraordinary scrutiny and suspicion."

---------------- What we are saying is that we have tried for two years to see one sheet of paper that is required by the US Constitution but he won't produce it.

If he really had it he'd proudly show it, don't you think?

Didn't McCain, when he was challenged, produce his on the Senate floor and pass it around for all to see? Well?

And by the way

Why must we all be called "birthers" and "fringe" all the time.

Why?

We are asking a simple polite question. "Tell us what hospital you were born in and what doctor delivered you ..."

And: There are dozens of small odd weird "indicators":

For example, no one even knew they were "married" in Hawaii, none of their friends.

There are no baby photos, no nurse photos, no pregnant photos, no wedding photos, not a single letter ever from his father,

raised by a guy with a 601 page FBI file ---

and now they say Granps had an FBI file too!!!!

Bet you can't find many American politicians in the last 230 years who can say all this!

He really is special!!!.

He's used several different names.

Roomed with foreign students only.

Told people he was born in Mombasa.

And,

in Hawaii

No witnesses before during after his birth and no long form BC --- because it doesn't exist ???????

Only: A scan with no folds showing at the Orwellian named Fight the Smears.

Who the hell ever heard of a USA citizen who couldn't even say what hospital he was born at?

Who?

I can!!!

Can't you?

Can't everyone? -----------------

All of Kenya says he was born there - they even stand up in Parliament there and say it. Private people there laugh about it. Do you dismiss all their words for racial reasons perhaps? Why aren't their statements acceptable and considered to be valid? Seems racist to me to laugh at them and dismiss what at least a dozen or more have said to date.

Newspapers? What of the ones that say Kenyan-born Obama??? These also don't count at all?

And Why the hell do we have to go through this torture?

Why must we chase him and his microfilms and his records ----

why doesn't he just show the two or three papers needed to put all doubt to rest?

When you apply for any job this is what you do ------ not tell people to go look at your unfolded online Scan at Fight the Smears.

And by the way again ------ where does the Holy One's paper COLB currently reside? Can I go hold it and see it?

Why not? Well then, can DeMint.? Djou ? Why not?

-------------------------

Why must this farce continue for years and years?

Why aren't Adams or Race Bannon or Fife or Dr. Drew on Hannity or O'Reilly or Glenn Beck?

Ever? Not even once?

Will any newspaper ever do a day's research on all this?

It's enough to write a book; and more is coming out weekly.

This week was quite amazing, in my opinion and I hope it continues to snowball and go viral. =============================

Like Dr. Drew, and Hillbuzz, and many many many others:

I think he is a Gay, Marxist, Revolutionary, non-Christian with a hidden past and a scary agenda. Ever see him in church?

Have you got your $242,000 personal share of the new national debt in your pocket to pay???

Whoever heard of a President with a "stash"?

What will you do 10 years from now when you need a few F-22s and there are not enough to go around and all the tools and dies have been destroyed ... by this regime.

=======

Joe Kovacs discusses in depth his 2 hr long interview of Adams & all the background investigation Kovacs did before interviewing Adams to verify the guy was legit.


Peter Boyles: 8AM hour:

http://www.khow.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=fullshow_boyles.xml -------------- "Even 49 years ago US citizenship was viewed as an extremely useful thing to have in life. Zer0’s grandmother Dunham showed herself over the years to have been something of an operator in HI.

If her daughter’s child had, in fact, been born outside the borders of the US, she could have done her part to make his future life easier by: #1 placing the birth announcement in the paper and

#2 filing his birth with the State, something which close relatives were permitted to do in HI in the loosy-goosy ‘50’s and ‘60’s as a way of getting population figures pumped up as high as possible.

You’ll notice that the COLB mentions that the birth was FILED by a certain employee. It does not use the term REGISTERED. That could be because of a lack of a long-form certificate."

The above two paragraphs well said:

by Scanian

=============== Who is Tim Adams?

Chief Elections Clerk in Honolulu says Obama WAS NOT BORN THERE! (audio interview)

http://is.gd/cKy3m

206 posted on 06/10/2010 1:59:19 PM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Scanian
In other words, Rush, Beck, Hannity, ( and the rest) are phonies and cowards....Oh! And FOOLS as well!

Because:

The fascist oligarchy will carry out it threats, steal their money, and throw them off the air ANYWAY!

207 posted on 06/10/2010 1:59:26 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: OafOfOffice

Sorry...I thought you meant eligibility questions were a racist scam.


208 posted on 06/10/2010 2:00:08 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

“Sorry...I thought you meant eligibility questions were a racist scam.”
************

Helen Thomas thinks it’s a Zionist plot.


209 posted on 06/10/2010 2:03:06 PM PDT by Canedawg (I'm not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
"What were the names of the (Susan and Gretchen Nordyke) twins who were born that same day (8-4-61) but had NO announcement in the microfiche? That, and the fact that they were born "after" Obama but have BC numbers from before the one he has...

Actually, that announcement was found.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2428562/posts

210 posted on 06/10/2010 2:05:53 PM PDT by Kleon
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To: wintertime

Would you put your job on the line to make an accusation that you really can’t prove?

I think they know the score but see their first obligation to the people who sign their paychecks. Their employers don’t want it discussed, so they can either play ball or re-start their careers. That in the knowledge that Zero could at anythime produce a valid BC, though as time goes on that likelihood has diminished to almost nil.


211 posted on 06/10/2010 2:05:59 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: Canedawg

Everything is a Zionist plot! Both sides of this argument are clearly being manipulated by the JOOS!! /s


212 posted on 06/10/2010 2:07:17 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

Scanian

The whole thing is so weird and odd it’s hard to know where to start

or what to look at.


213 posted on 06/10/2010 2:09:28 PM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: butterdezillion

And the fact that the DNC sent out two different certs is weird in the extreme;

hard to think of any possible reason, except for a bad one;

It’s laughable! No one will even ask them about it to their faces.


214 posted on 06/10/2010 2:11:38 PM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: STARWISE

guess we are down? AgainN


215 posted on 06/10/2010 2:12:11 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

How true!

And exactly why I have stayed off these threads for months. I don’t know what got into me today. Maybe just living in a Gulf state and becoming more frustrated by the day.


216 posted on 06/10/2010 2:15:57 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: pissant

Please understand that even a dunce occasionally comes up with the truth—I have never heard of stormfront or whatever the organization that made the original post, but I have checked this issue out with a high-profile businessman in Honolulu. He sent me a note from a friend, a professional engineer, in a prominent firm. Here is his friends note from an email as he sent it in all caps—

“EVERYONE,

THIS IS UNREAL!!! I DON’T THINK THIS GUY IS LYING. I CALLED THE CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU ELECTIONS OFFICE AND THEY
CONFIRMED WHO HE IS AND THAT HE WAS THE ELECTIONS CLERK FOR LAST YEARS ELECTIONS.”


217 posted on 06/10/2010 2:16:26 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

“The Library of Congress Star Bulletin microfiche reel had heavy wear/age marks (in Feb. 2010) through 8/13/1961,

... 8/14/1961 was comparatively pristine. “

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/


218 posted on 06/10/2010 2:16:47 PM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: hennie pennie

Please understand that even a dunce occasionally comes up with the truth—I have never heard of stormfront or whatever the organization that made the original post, but I have checked this issue out with a high-profile businessman in Honolulu. He sent me a note from a friend, a professional engineer, in a prominent firm. Here is his friends note from an email as he sent it in all caps—

“EVERYONE,

THIS IS UNREAL!!! I DON’T THINK THIS GUY IS LYING. I CALLED THE CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU ELECTIONS OFFICE AND THEY
CONFIRMED WHO HE IS AND THAT HE WAS THE ELECTIONS CLERK FOR LAST YEARS ELECTIONS.”


219 posted on 06/10/2010 2:17:13 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Kleon

OK, thanks.

Actually, those were another’s words but will correct my incorrect impression.

BTW

“The Library of Congress Star Bulletin microfiche reel had heavy wear/age marks (in Feb. 2010) through 8/13/1961,

... 8/14/1961 was comparatively pristine. “

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/


220 posted on 06/10/2010 2:18:48 PM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Neoliberalnot

I have checked this issue out with a high-profile businessman in Honolulu. He sent me a note from a friend, a professional engineer, in a prominent firm. Here is his friends note from an email as he sent it in all caps—

“EVERYONE,

THIS IS UNREAL!!! I DON’T THINK THIS GUY IS LYING. I CALLED THE CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU ELECTIONS OFFICE AND THEY
CONFIRMED WHO HE IS AND THAT HE WAS THE ELECTIONS CLERK FOR LAST YEARS ELECTIONS.”


Wow


221 posted on 06/10/2010 2:19:34 PM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: OafOfOffice

I see it more as against ‘affirmative action’ that pits one race above another, but there are some in the group that seem to hold fast to the initial ‘white supremist’ beliefs. However, each is an individual and therefore, you can not judge one individual for the writings of another. As with any organization, you have conservatives, moderates and radicals.


222 posted on 06/10/2010 2:20:01 PM PDT by patlin
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To: STARWISE

Boy...she was a profile in courage, wasn’t she.....NOT!

(eye roll)


223 posted on 06/10/2010 2:20:02 PM PDT by penelopesire ("Did you plug the hole yet daddy?")
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

HE WAS THE ELECTION’S CLERK FOR LAST YEAR’S ELECTIONS ...


What level does this place him at ???


224 posted on 06/10/2010 2:20:52 PM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: butterdezillion

I think a few people did a few things unethical/borderline illegal thinking it was going to be no big deal and once it became a big deal they are protecting their rear ends.


225 posted on 06/10/2010 2:31:44 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf aInd dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

http://www.hawaii-county.com/weeklynewsletter/archives/2008/071108.htm#precinct


226 posted on 06/10/2010 2:32:58 PM PDT by patlin
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To: pissant; LucyT

Well, like all things surrounding this issue, I’d say it’s worth being aware of, at the very least... I’d sure like to keep an eye on this, and see where it goes. A good investigator follows every lead, right? :)


227 posted on 06/10/2010 2:37:22 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: OafOfOffice
...They are predicting Obama will not make it a full term.

who's They

228 posted on 06/10/2010 2:38:41 PM PDT by 1234 ("1984")
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To: jerseyrocks; Windflier; justiceseeker93; 70th Division; jesseam; freekitty; ZULU; exit82; ...

Anyone have an answer as to why Zero and his legal goons have spent a couple of million or more fighting the birth certificate issue. Why hasn’t the Fuhrer been ordered to prove his eligibility????? Who threatened who to keep this quiet?


229 posted on 06/10/2010 2:40:13 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: Neoliberalnot; onyx; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; ...

#217


230 posted on 06/10/2010 2:52:25 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, hunker down & go Galt)
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To: 1234

Me for one.


231 posted on 06/10/2010 2:54:23 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 504 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: autumnraine

I think a few people did a few things unethical/borderline illegal thinking it was going to be no big deal and once it became a big deal they are protecting their rear ends.

~~~~

My belief, as well. Snowballed ...


232 posted on 06/10/2010 2:55:18 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, hunker down & go Galt)
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To: STARWISE; autumnraine

It wasn’t the Watergate break-in that killed the Nixon presidency, it was the cover-up.


233 posted on 06/10/2010 2:57:06 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 504 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: STARWISE

Sometimes the truth is so disturbing that people—even progs and libs—don’t want to believe that such could ever happen in our country, on our shores, on our watch, and in our own government.


234 posted on 06/10/2010 2:57:38 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: justiceseeker93; hennie pennie; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks justiceseeker93 and hennie pennie.


235 posted on 06/10/2010 3:03:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Yes .. we’re innately trusting and of good will ...
until circumstances are demonstrated to be
otherwise, like now.


236 posted on 06/10/2010 3:03:52 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, hunker down & go Galt)
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To: rambo316

The only problem with that is yours was the WND article, too. A number of people spent a couple of hours going over that article and a lot of related issues. There were a lot of pings. I thought it was a very good thread with civilized, interesting discussion. I wrote 2 mods and asked them to please restore yours and the others because it was at that point already coming from a legitimate source. Well, that did not happen and I did not get any kind of a reply. Nothing. So now I’m going to go wade through all of this thread to try to catch up after working today. Or maybe not. I think I might just back away from all this or at least shut up. This whole thing is enough of an up hill battle without the kind of thing that happened today.


237 posted on 06/10/2010 3:14:39 PM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: STARWISE

Well, now we’re almost back to where we were this morning on this topic when the thread was pulled, but not quite. Thanks for the ping.


238 posted on 06/10/2010 3:21:16 PM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: Natural Born 54

Thanks, but that is not necessary NB54. Have a good one and take care. and some day soon may we learn the real truth.


239 posted on 06/10/2010 3:27:24 PM PDT by rambo316
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To: Natural Born 54

To me it’s a no brainer that something is fishy about Baraq’s background.

The fact that all his records from birth thru college are in a “lockbox” just screams for investigation.

The media were more than happy to do a thorough backgrounder on Joe the plumber Wurzelbacher in a matter of hours after he came on the scene.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-16-joe-plumber_N.htm


240 posted on 06/10/2010 3:37:28 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Kleon

It was only found in one paper, which tells you (again) that the “news” articles claiming the announcements were from the HDOH are entirely false.


241 posted on 06/10/2010 3:38:19 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: pissant

Is this THE leak that we have been praying and hoping for???


242 posted on 06/10/2010 3:40:28 PM PDT by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: pissant

That guy is just a kooky birther. Clinton supporter, kooky birther. One and the same.

</FReeper mindset>


243 posted on 06/10/2010 3:41:07 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: autumnraine

Yeah, I think you’re right.

But they are breaking the laws in serious ways in order to cover less-serious infractions.

Destroying somebody’s birth certificate is a huge no-no.

I’m still trying to find out from the OIP and Ombudsman’s Office whether Fukino and Okubo will be put on administrative leave until the investigation into whether they illegally destroyed permanent records is complete.

For some reason, neither entity wants to answer that question.


244 posted on 06/10/2010 3:42:31 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: 1234

I bet if you google it you will see who. I didn’t save the commentary.


245 posted on 06/10/2010 3:44:19 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Only drawback is the story comes from WorldNutDaily

Just what do so many people have against WND? Yes, their stories sometimes seem like rabbit trails but they at least print them so that we can make up our minds about them. They don't just wait to see what the MSM will print and then obediently spew it out. They investigate and when you do investigative journalism you may end up in blind alleys but at least you are doing the leg work. If they were really so very far off base as so many of you keep painting them why have they not been sued out of existence?

246 posted on 06/10/2010 3:44:43 PM PDT by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: Wallop the Cat
but I think that to start with “He wasn’t born in Hawaii” detracts from the other NBC arguments.

I tend to agree. But if he wasn't, and wasn't born elsewhere in the US, then he's not even a citizen, unless he was later naturalized. Either way, he'd not be eligible. It's harder for Joe and Josephine Sixpack to understand the "not natural born because of having a non citizen father". After all that takes some research into historical sources. Court decisions based on Vattel, rather than English common law. Old referances to "natural born child of citizens", etc take a bit of work to comprehend. Might miss "American Idol" while doing all that reserach and reading.

Still J&J Sixpack seem to be beginning to understand that "The Won" is not like any other America President. Next they'll start to wonder why.

247 posted on 06/10/2010 3:45:42 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

And when J & J Sixpack realize that a common traffic stop check for Obama would have shown that he’s not even a citizen, they will realize just how corrupt our government, media, and law enforcement are in this country. And THAT should rattle people to the core.


248 posted on 06/10/2010 3:48:03 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Scanian

I am glad you understand I did not mean that.


249 posted on 06/10/2010 3:49:06 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: patlin

I have come across some articles totally made up by David Duke type groups. They were outlandish and people ran with them as truth. It’s a game I refuse to play. I don’t want to be around any group that has any white supremist’s ties. Even if it is a handfull of people in the group it does not matter to me. I could not sleep at night.


250 posted on 06/10/2010 3:54:48 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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