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The Glenn Beck solution: turn to God. It is not so easy.
Big Bureaucracy ^ | August 30th, 2010 | Ellie Velinska

Posted on 08/30/2010 7:28:32 AM PDT by Big Bureaucracy

Do you believe in God? Every time I answer the question honestly I lose friends. Still I tell the truth: I don’t believe in God. I don’t believe in the evolution either. I just believe we don’t have enough knowledge to know the world yet.

If you are still reading, I appreciate your tolerance.

Glenn Beck’s answer to America’s troubles is turning to God. Where does it leave us: the non believers? Beck’s solution reminds me of my godmother, who is a nun in an Eastern Orthodox Monastery on the Balkans.

When I visited her she answered every question I had with: you have to believe, you have to have faith, and you have to pray. That was the only answer to everything. She and Glenn Beck could be soul-mates.

She sensed it is hard for me to believe so she tried to teach me something simple: Just try to be good and keep praying ‘Lord forgive my sins’. That was kind of a ‘safety net’ advice she came-up with while trying to save my lost soul.

I think this is the answer: just be good. Do not lie, do not cheat, do not envy, do not steal, do not kill, respect your parents, do not idolize people, repent your sins and try to be good.

Does it really have to be in the name of God? Or just for goodness sake.

Mike Huckabee often says that if we agree on 7-8 things out of 10 – we still can be friends. Can God be one of the things we disagree on?

Half of the Americans don’t even agree on ‘do not kill’ and support abortions.

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To: Big Bureaucracy

However other religions moral standards differ. Do we have to convert to one religion to have one moral standard?

To my knowledge a personal relationship in an intimate level is exclusive to Christianity. Heart and mind, thoughts and intentions of the heart, parent/child, husband/wife = Christianity

Moral Code, rules to follow, outward actions = All other religion.

I see Christianity as God’s attempt to reach man on his own level. Other religions, in my opinion, are man’s attempt to reach God.

I don’t believe you necessarily have to be a Christian to believe in God. If you look at the odds that it took for random events to occur to bring us where we are today, they are astronomical. If you took a hunk of iron ore, sand and water and threw it over a cliff, and you went down at the bottom of the cliff and found a pocket watch, would you then assume that through a random course of events the raw materials you threw over the cliff came together to form a pocket watch? No, you would assume someone made it and dropped it there. It is a logical conclusion that is totally reasonable.

Why then, when the odds are infinitely higher, do we believe that through random events a fully functioning planet, complete with life forms of all shapes and sizes, just happened to come together? It is not logical. The odds are stacked against it. It is much more reality based that this was created. Chaos does not lead to order. I don’t have to have a PhD to know that.


81 posted on 08/30/2010 12:26:01 PM PDT by texan75010
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I agree with you. I don’t believe in the evolution explanation, or the big bang. I believe one day we will have enough knowledge to come up with explanation that will be self-evident to everybody (not likely for me to be alive for this day).

It may be that God will show up to all of us. It may be something equally revealing that has nothing to do with God.

The point of my post is that the ‘turn to God’ solution is not easy. Beck did not say it will be easy.

We have to face the fact that some people in America are non-believers (young people increasingly grow secular). How do we unite? Do we try to unite? Or is it impossible without converting the non-believers?

It is truth - it has to be discussed and make us miserable before it makes us happy.


82 posted on 08/30/2010 12:51:15 PM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: Big Bureaucracy
Your questioning is admirable.

Not to belabor a point, but the thought occurs to me that with all the current emphasis on God and government and liberty for individuals, perhaps a glimpse of the philosophy and principles underlying our Declaration of Independence and Constitution might answer the "why" as to the uniqueness of America's 200+ years of self-government, as envisioned by the Founders. It also might address your concerns as a "conservative" and your questioning.

Among the Founders, Thomas Jefferson, who reflected what he called "the American mind" of 1776, in the words of the Declaration of Independence, recognized therein a higher power in four manifestations--as "Creator(source of rights)," as source of law--"laws of nature and of nature's God," as "Divine Providence," and as "Supreme judge of the world." Yet, he fiercely defended the "rights of conscience," religious freedom.

When advising a young namesake, he wrote the following letter, which is in a collection at the University of Virginia.

From that web site, this note:

"The Jefferson-Jackson letter, addressed to the young Thomas Jefferson Grotjan, is perhaps the most fascinating item, Plunkett said.

"In it, Jefferson offers his advice to his namesake, apparently in response to a request from Grotjan's mother. Writing from Monticello on Jan. 10, 1824, an elderly Jefferson advises:

"Adore God. Reverence and cherish your parents. Love your neighbor as yourself and your country more than life. Be just. Be true. Murmur not at the ways of Providence, and the life into which you have entered will be the passage to one of eternal and ineffable bliss."

"He concludes, "And if to the dead it is permitted to care for the things of this world, every action of your life will be under my regard. Farewell."

"In a later addition to the letter, dated June 9, 1833, Jackson writes "Although requested by Mr. Grotjan, yet I can add nothing to the admirable advice given to his son by that virtuous patriot and enlightened statesman, Thomas Jefferson."

Another letter of advice to young Peter Carr, he wrote:

_To Peter Carr_ _Paris, August 19, 1785_

DEAR PETER, -- I received, by Mr. Mazzei, your letter of April the 20th. I am much mortified to hear that you have lost so much time; and that when you arrived in Williamsburg, you were not at all advanced from what you were when you left Monticello. Time now begins to be precious to you. Every day you lose, will retard a day your entrance on that public stage whereon you may begin to be useful to yourself. However, the way to repair the loss is to improve the future time. I trust, that with your dispositions, even the acquisition of science is a pleasing employment. I can assure you, that the possession of it is, what (next to an honest heart) will above all things render you dear to your friends, and give you fame and promotion in your own country. When your mind shall be well improved with science, nothing will be necessary to place you in the highest points of view, but to pursue the interests of your country, the interests of your friends, and your own interests also, with the purest integrity, the most chaste honor. The defect of these virtues can never be made up by all the other acquirements of body and mind. Make these then your first object. Give up money, give up fame, give up science, give the earth itself and all it contains, rather than do an immoral act. And never suppose, that in any possible situation, or under any circumstances, it is best for you to do a dishonorable thing, however slightly so it may appear to you. Whenever you are to do a thing, though it can never be known but to yourself, ask yourself how you would act were all the world looking at you, and act accordingly. Encourage all your virtuous dispositions, and exercise them whenever an opportunity arises; being assured that they will gain strength by exercise, as a limb of the body does, and that exercise will make them habitual. From the practice of the purest virtue, you may be assured you will derive the most sublime comforts in every moment of life, and in the moment of death. If ever you find yourself environed with difficulties and perplexing circumstances, out of which you are at a loss how to extricate yourself, do what is right, and be assured that that will extricate you the best out of the worst situations. Though you cannot see, when you take one step, what will be the next, yet follow truth, justice, and plain dealing, and never fear their leading you out of the labyrinth, in the easiest manner possible. The knot which you thought a Gordian one, will untie itself before you. Nothing is so mistaken as the supposition, that a person is to extricate himself from a difficulty, by intrigue, by chicanery, by dissimulation, by trimming, by an untruth, by an injustice. This increases the difficulties ten fold; and those who pursue these methods, get themselves so involved at length, that they can turn no way but their infamy becomes more exposed. It is of great importance to set a resolution, not to be shaken, never to tell an untruth. There is no vice so mean, so pitiful, so contemptible; and he who permits himself to tell a lie once, finds it much easier to do it a second and third time, till at length it becomes habitual; he tells lies without attending to it, and truths without the world's believing him. This falsehood of the tongue leads to that of the heart, and in time depraves all its good dispositions.

An honest heart being the first blessing, a knowing head is the second. It is time for you now to begin to be choice in your reading; to begin to pursue a regular course in it; and not to suffer yourself to be turned to the right or left by reading any thing out of that course. I have long ago digested a plan for you, suited to the circumstances in which you will be placed. This I will detail to you, from time to time, as you advance. For the present, I advise you to begin a course of antient history, reading every thing in the original and not in translations. First read Goldsmith's history of Greece. This will give you a digested view of that field. Then take up antient history in the detail, reading the following books, in the following order: Herodotus, Thucydides, Xenophontis Hellenica, Xenophontis Anabasis, Arrian, Quintus Curtius, Diodorus Siculus, Justin. This shall form the first stage of your historical reading, and is all I need mention to you now. The next, will be of Roman history (*). From that, we will come down to modern history. In Greek and Latin poetry, you have read or will read at school, Virgil, Terence, Horace, Anacreon, Theocritus, Homer, Euripides, Sophocles. Read also Milton's Paradise Lost, Shakspeare, Ossian, Pope's and Swift's works, in order to form your style in your own language. In morality, read Epictetus, Xenophontis Memorabilia, Plato's Socratic dialogues, Cicero's philosophies, Antoninus, and Seneca. In order to assure a certain progress in this reading, consider what hours you have free from the school and the exercises of the school. Give about two of them, every day, to exercise; for health must not be sacrificed to learning. A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body, and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks. Never think of taking a book with you. The object of walking is to relax the mind. You should therefore not permit yourself even to think while you walk; but divert your attention by the objects surrounding you. Walking is the best possible exercise. Habituate yourself to walk very far. The Europeans value themselves on having subdued the horse to the uses of man; but I doubt whether we have not lost more than we have gained, by the use of this animal. No one has occasioned so much, the degeneracy of the human body. An Indian goes on foot nearly as far in a day, for a long journey, as an enfeebled white does on his horse; and he will tire the best horses. There is no habit you will value so much as that of walking far without fatigue. I would advise you to take your exercise in the afternoon: not because it is the best time for exercise, for certainly it is not; but because it is the best time to spare from your studies; and habit will soon reconcile it to health, and render it nearly as useful as if you gave to that the more precious hours of the day. A little walk of half an hour, in the morning, when you first rise, is advisable also. It shakes off sleep, and produces other good effects in the animal economy. Rise at a fixed and an early hour, and go to bed at a fixed and early hour also. Sitting up late at night is injurious to the health, and not useful to the mind. Having ascribed proper hours to exercise, divide what remain, (I mean of your vacant hours) into three portions. Give the principal to History, the other two, which should be shorter, to Philosophy and Poetry. Write to me once every month or two, and let me know the progress you make. Tell me in what manner you employ every hour in the day. The plan I have proposed for you is adapted to your present situation only. When that is changed, I shall propose a corresponding change of plan. I have ordered the following books to be sent to you from London, to the care of Mr. Madison. Herodotus, Thucydides, Xenophon's Hellenics, Anabasis and Memorabilia, Cicero's works, Baretti's Spanish and English Dictionary, Martin's Philosophical Grammar, and Martin's Philosophia Britannica. I will send you the following from hence. Bezout's Mathematics, De la Lande's Astronomy, Muschenbrock's Physics, Quintus Curtius, Justin, a Spanish Grammar, and some Spanish books. You will observe that Martin, Bezout, De la Lande, and Muschenbrock are not in the preceding plan. They are not to be opened till you go to the University. You are now, I expect, learning French. You must push this; because the books which will be put into your hands when you advance into Mathematics, Natural philosophy, Natural history, &c. will be mostly French, these sciences being better treated by the French than the English writers. Our future connection with Spain renders that the most necessary of the modern languages, after the French. When you become a public man, you may have occasion for it, and the circumstance of your possessing that language, may give you a preference over other candidates. I have nothing further to add for the present, but husband well your time, cherish your instructors, strive to make every body your friend; and be assured that nothing will be so pleasing, as your success, to, Dear Peter,

Your's affectionately,

(*) Livy, Sullust, Caesar, Cicero's epistles, Suetonius, Tacitus, Gibbon.

Jefferson's strongest summary of the philosophy underlying liberty capsulized in the Declaration of Independence, however, may be found in this statement:

"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them."

The Founders' beliefs struck down the common understanding that rights are derived as "grants" from government, making them alienable. They asserted that rights are gifts from the Creator, therefore, inalienable--an idea reasserted by John F. Kennedy almost 200 years later:

"The world is different now . . . And yet, the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forefathers fought are still at issue around the globe -- the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God. - JFK Address to have been delivered on 11/22/63 at Luncheon in Dallas, TX

83 posted on 08/30/2010 3:48:15 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: loveliberty2

“Whenever you are to do a thing, though it can never be known but to yourself, ask yourself how you would act were all the world looking at you, and act accordingly...An honest heart being the first blessing, a knowing head is the second”

I really enjoyed the read. There are so many things we can agree on.


84 posted on 08/30/2010 4:01:19 PM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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