WE'RE ALL BIRTHERS NOW: The Long-Form Obama Birth Certificate DOES NOT EXIST

Reaganite Republican ^ | January 26, 2011 | Reaganite Republican

[Danae]

Juliet = reverse

Stupid iPhone auto spell.... Grrrrrrrrr

[little jeremiah]

Please ping me if he answers tomorrow.

I’m obsessed and I admit it.

[Danae]

Hehe. This is brilliant. It seems to fit. Very very interesting.

[little jeremiah]

You know how with puzzles at first it’s very slow going (especially if the box is gone so you don’t know what the final picture is supposed to look like) - you try so many pieces, they don’t fit? And every now and then one piece fits but still you’re not much farther along? I mean a big 1000 piece puzzle.

Then finally! towards the end, you can’t stuff those pieces in fast enough, it accelerates.

[RedEyeJack]

Has anyone conducted a poll simply asking if the respondents would like to see Obama’s birth certificate (original, long-form) published before the 2012 election? Not a hard thing to poll, one would think.

While they are at it, how about his grades at Occidental, Colombia, and Harvard... Might give us insight into who Obama “really is”.

Not holding my breath (How about it Fox?)

[Darksheare]

Autocorrect, it uses a spelling chicken that pecks your text to death and then clucks in satisfaction at a mangling well done.

[wintertime]

State Attorney General David Louie told the governor that privacy laws bar him from disclosing an individual’s birth documentation without the person’s consent,
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Freepers have published the actual law and the above is not true.

[wintertime]

Before we get over excited, this guy is just an election official, not an official from the Office of Records. The fact that he has sworn that someone told him something is not proof.

Why hasn't Tim Adam's boss ( the Hawaiian woman that he calls "quite a powerful lady") come forward and countered Adam's statement?

Answer: Tim Adams is telling the truth and she isn't willing to commit a felony for Obama.

What matters most here is the court of public opinion.

What has Tim Adams to gain here by coming out with his statement? Huh? Answer: Nothing. He does though have plenty to lose. Making such a statement can not be helpful to his career. After Lieutenant Quail and other odd deaths he even stands to lose his own life or that of a close relative.

[Conan the Conservative]

“Why hasn’t Tim Adam’s boss ( the Hawaiian woman that he calls “quite a powerful lady”) come forward and countered Adam’s statement?
Answer: Tim Adams is telling the truth and she isn’t willing to commit a felony for Obama.”

OR she doesnt want the hassle of getting involved. Besides,if she did come forward you doubtless say she is lying. So it would be a case of he/said she/said. Hardly definitive.

“What has Tim Adams to gain here by coming out with his statement? Huh? Answer: Nothing.”
People do things for their own reasons which are often not what we think they are.

[wintertime]

Typewriter keys of that era have a “finger print” due to the nicks and scratches that accumulate over time. All of the birth certificates produced by that Hawaiian office would have the same “finger prints” on each letter formed by the keys. That would hard to duplicate.

But...Ok...Let's say they could duplicate the paper and typing, etc. What about the numbering of each of those certificates? Then Obama’s fake certificate would have to match **exactly** any copies he may have used for any purpose throughout his life.

Also...There would be bound ledgers where his name would need to be have been entered and these ledgers would be in cursive. It would start in the delivery room. Hospitals are **meticulous** about this mother/baby entries. ( For obvious reasons.) The cursive handwriting in the ledgers would also need to match **exactly** the cursive handwriting found in the nurse's notes in the medical records.

Is the above possible even for an expert? If it were, we would have already seen Obama’s fake birth certificate.

Perhaps some Freeper who is an expert in these matters can provide even more reasons why a fake birth certificate would be hard to produce.

[wintertime]

Ping to all.( post # 193)

GGMac’s analysis is very interesting. I recommend it to all Freepers.

[conservativegramma]

That said, I grew up in the 1960’s and I was taught about the “natural born citizen clause” at three different schools I attended. I was taught that in order two be a “natural born citizen” you had to be born in the United States and have two parents that were citizens at the time of your birth.

Me too. I am 52 and I grew up in the 1960's and I learned the same thing. BRAVO on your post back to curiosity btw.

I have serious doubts anyone growing up in the waste pit of southern California within the last 34 years ever got a decent education. Brainwashing yes - education no.

[silverleaf]

excellent overview of adoption

except in my experience, perhaps in adopting from a foreign country, other data can be changed on the new “birth” certificate created by adoption, aside from parentage

child’s new name of course, and even birth date

[DrDude]

Thanks for your help. I don’t neccesarily need the photo, I was thinking someone went to the yearbook(s) and/or law review to gather anything they could. Someone suggested he never changed the name back to Obama. That could help.
Even little cities use school yearbooks as an investigative tool. I used them in many cases where there was no other sort of information. I have a cold case murder from 1982. The local info was the best I could do on backgrounds, etc..
I was just wondering if anyone did some digging on this. Thanks again for your comments and help.

[Danae]

Lmao. Thats one chicken I’d like to...... Uh... Never mind, it’s watching my every letter.

Lol

[SvenMagnussen]

“... his US citizenship was forsaken for the marriage to Lolo.”

Correct. Obama’s vulnerability is not in his vital records held in Hawaii, but his immigration records held at USCIS.

Obama came back to America as Barry Soetoro, Indonesian National. The Soetoro adoption was annulled in 1971. The annullment terminated the parental rights of Lolo Soetoro, but did not change Obama’s school records, immunization records or his Indonesian citizenship.

Obama was issued a Green Card and obtained a SSN as an Indonesian National legally residing in America. He evenutally naturalized as a U.S. Citizen and was issued a Certificate of Nationality to prove he is an U.S. Citizen.

It doesn’t sound so crazy anymore, but Obama is a U.S. native born immigrant who becamed a Naturalized U.S. Citizen.

[rolling_stone]

so when and where did he naturalize?

[SvenMagnussen]

“... so when and where did he naturalize?”

The United States of America.

[butterdezillion]

Hawaii allows an adoption to be set aside.

Unless the HDOH is lying about the name their records are under, the adoption was probably set aside. Beckwith argues that this procedure is why BHO came back to HI in 1971, if I’m understanding correctly. Beckwith, correct me if I don’t have that right.

The problem we have is that if the HDOH can lie at will - as it does - then we just have no firm ground to stand on to even speculate. After all the research and analysis, all I can say is that we don’t know anything AT ALL until the transaction logs for all the records are disclosed and we can see which of the HDOH’s statements are truthful and which are sheer fabrication.

The way we’re going to get those transaction logs disclosed and get some closure on this issue is by getting our state legislatures to require the transaction logs to be disclosed together with the actual birth and citizenship documents before a candidate can be placed on the ballots.

A bill that could do that is posted at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/final-short-form-eligibility-bill1.pdf . I’m asking everyone to e-mail that to their state legislator and ask them to introduce and pass it or something similar. Or if there is an eligibility bill already proposed in their state, ask the legislators to add a requirement for the transaction logs as well.

The Inspector General for HHS has released a report that makes it clear why a measure like that is important, at http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf . The IG concludes that states need to decide for themselves what documentation they will require as proof for claims, based on the reality that fraudulent documents can be used to get genuine documents and the truth is known only by looking at the whole picture.

The possibility of someone claiming an at-home birth is specifically mentioned as an easy way to get fraudulent BC’s. If what the HDOH told Lori Starfelt is correct and there was a requirement for a baby to be seen by a HI doctor within the first 30 days, that still allows for fraudulent BC’s claiming a HI birth that are perfectly legal, as noted by Aloha .... (can’t remember his name here on FR). The baby would have to arrive in HI within the first 30 days, unless a doctor was willing to fraudulently claim the child was born within the last 30 days (which would make for children whose birth might actually be weeks or months sooner than their BC says). Interesting that the dr that Abercrombie appointed as health secretary is being investigated for fraud. Medicare fraud, I believe, but it still speaks of the willingness to turn a blind eye to the rule of law.

That would explain why there are so few claimed unattended births in Hawaii for 1961. They considered it an attended birth if a doctor examined the mother or baby within the allotted time. Everything would seem legitimate, just looking at the statistics - and yet lots of people who immigrated to Hawaii with a newborn could have been fraudulently registered as Hawaii births.

Danae, do you remember the name of the Aloha person who talked about seeing people arriving in HI being told they could get a Hawaii BC easily? If you remember the name, could you ping him/her?

[butterdezillion]

No, the State of Hawaii confirmed that the (legally invalid, as they indirectly confirmed elsewhere) vital records SAY Obama was born in Hawaii.

But now we’ve got Abercrombie saying the records he can find are a notation in the archives.

So we’ve got discrepancies in the official stories out of Hawaii’s government.

What do you think is the proper procedure for dealing with discrepancies?