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Ending Deductions IS Raising Taxes -- We're Not Fooled!
21 Nov 11 | Xzins

Posted on 11/21/2011 6:48:18 AM PST by xzins

I went to the grocery store to buy some Cola. The price was 6.99 per cube instead of the old 5.99. The grocer assured me the price had not been raised. That, he said, is a surcharge added due to the out-of-control price of diesel fuel. I started to explain about math, about 6.99 being more than 5.99, but I just let it drop. It's too easy to switch to iced tea.

My Senator from Ohio on the debt commission sends a message to me via the media that they want to charge me thousands more this year than I paid last year. He said it isn't really a "tax increase"! According to him, when they end certain deductions and increase certain fees they aren't raising my taxes. They are "enhancing revenue".

After checking to see if his name was Orwell -- it isn't -- I considered my options.

I decided the answer again was tea.

Time to toss some overboard into the harbor.

I'm tired of the lying bastards thinking I'm an idiot.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Government; Local News; Politics
KEYWORDS: spending; taxes
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1 posted on 11/21/2011 6:48:18 AM PST by xzins
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To: xzins

For a great many people, a flat tax would be a tax increase as well. So far on taxes, I like Ron Paul’s ideas the best.


2 posted on 11/21/2011 6:50:00 AM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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:...lying bastards...”

Oh, you must be talking about the top 1% of the critters.

The rest are food for the guillotine, and I eagerly await them encountering their fate.


3 posted on 11/21/2011 6:50:15 AM PST by Da Coyote (Liberalism - when you absolutely, positively have no ability to produce wealth.)
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To: xzins

It don’t take a Harvard education to figure out we are being lied to by Harvard type elite, for our own good.


4 posted on 11/21/2011 6:55:13 AM PST by o_zarkman44 ("When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Huck
For a great many people, a flat tax would be a tax increase as well.

That's why Perry's plan allows you to use either the Flat Tax, or the current tax system, whichever works out best for you.

5 posted on 11/21/2011 6:56:26 AM PST by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: xzins
The only hope America has... short of a civil war... we need to vote out all rats and 2/3 of all republicans... which will never happen... it just will never happen. The only question is when does the SHTF?

LLS

6 posted on 11/21/2011 6:57:30 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: Hugin

Yeah, he cribbed that from Newt’s plan. I like Ron Paul’s idea better. Eliminate the income tax and replace it with nothing. SPENDING is the tax.


7 posted on 11/21/2011 6:58:48 AM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: xzins

The time may very well come.

All it will take is one SCOTUS decision thats wrong and an election that doesn’t go to suit.

That will pretty much be it for me.


8 posted on 11/21/2011 7:01:36 AM PST by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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To: xzins

We should start an occupy the grocery store movement and demand cheaper pop. And butter, butter is getting pricey. ;p


9 posted on 11/21/2011 7:04:43 AM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Da Coyote

I don’t know who or what entity in government is calculating the monthly inflation rate. However, without doubt they are a pack of lying scoundrels. I judge the inflation rate on a small package of consumer items important to me. At the top of the list is green coffee (I roast my own). The price of coffee has moved more than I could imagine over the last three months. I was recently in a grocery store and the clerks were re-marking all the coffee for sale. The increase was greater than ten percent across the board. I’m sure that others have similar tales.


10 posted on 11/21/2011 7:06:12 AM PST by Melchior
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To: xzins

If you receive the benefit of a deduction, you are getting a tax break that others don’t get, and have to pay extra on their own taxes to make up the shortfall your benefit caused.

Do you feel it is proper for a renter to subsidize your housing costs? A factory worker to subsidize your agricultural handouts?

Only a flat tax with no deductions on all - ALL - income (wages, dividends, interest, capital gains) will be a fair assessment of taxes. If it causes your taxes to go up a bit, it’s because you have already been benefitting from a tax cut other don’t get.


11 posted on 11/21/2011 7:10:10 AM PST by oldbill
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Until we get to a flat tax or a sales tax all your points are moot.

The renters expenses include the landowners costs...including his taxes.

Since these are built into his rental costs, he is paying additional taxes.


12 posted on 11/21/2011 7:12:59 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins

We should still count our blessings that this is the greatest Nation on earth. Almost all our necessities are reasonably priced. It is possible to find adequate shelter, clothing, heat, food and transportation within a lower income budget.

If you doubt it look here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=2HiUMlOz4UQ&%20vq=large


13 posted on 11/21/2011 7:13:10 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Gingrich-Cain 2012)
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To: o_zarkman44

Don’t you just love it when the elite tell us what’s for our own good?

I’m beginning to wonder if we have an aristocracy.


14 posted on 11/21/2011 7:14:35 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Huck
Eliminate the income tax and replace it with nothing.

Yep. The United States got along fine without income tax until the 16th Amendment.

15 posted on 11/21/2011 7:15:03 AM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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“The price was 6.99 per cube instead of the old 5.99.—snip—a surcharge added due to the out-of-control price of diesel fuel.”

$1 surcharge per cube. How many cubes on a truckload? RIPOFF. I woulda handed him the “cube,” and asked if he’d put it back on the shelf for me, and walked out. But maybe he would’ve charged you a “restocking” fee!

I know that’s not the point,,,, but,,,, just sayin’,,,,....


16 posted on 11/21/2011 7:15:06 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: sodpoodle

I understand you to be saying you want to pay more taxes.

Is that right?


17 posted on 11/21/2011 7:15:27 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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The price was 6.99 per cube instead of the old 5.99. The grocer assured me the price had not been raised.

What if they all just came out and said: "The flat paper almighty dollar is not worth what it used to be".

It is easier to point to the source of the product.

In 1964: the median house price was mol $18,000. Today it is $170,000.[9.4x increase.) If you had set aside $18,000 face value in silver coins in 1964 [18 bags if $1,000 face value each] held them to present day, the owner would net around $216,000 if sold to a bullion dealer. That is enough for an above average house [CA always an exception or parts of NY].

A haircut in 1964 cost .75 cents or $1.00 in a big city-now haircut can cost $14 [not a stylist that Kerry or Edwards used].

World War I the average wage for a working man was mol one silver dollar per day. Minimum wage day now is $7.25 per hour or $58 a day [always exceptions]for that work; $88 for someone who makes $11 an hour.

It also takes $6.76 in pre-'65 silver coinage to equal one typical days wages[$88 in flat paper money]. Silver would have a spot value of 5-6 times its current value which may mean it is still undervalued.

From the book Survivors [Oct 2011] by James Wesley Rawles. A novel on the coming collapse but fact in historical value of currency, a definite re-read; but could scare the H--- out of one, even though we still find it difficult to totally remove our rose colored glasses. We have to have lived it to know or understand it, and most of us have not.

18 posted on 11/21/2011 7:17:16 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Restocking fee. LOL.

With the grocer I have recourse. I can shop elsewhere. I can switch what I drink. I hear water’s better for me anyway.

With the government, it’s a bit harder to go shopping.

They are liars.

They are liars who consider us stupid hicks.


19 posted on 11/21/2011 7:17:59 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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I went to the grocery store to buy some Cola. The price was 6.99 per cube instead of the old 5.99. The grocer assured me the price had not been raised.

Has anyone noticed that in the past couple of months the new half-gallon size for orange juice became 59 ounces?

20 posted on 11/21/2011 7:18:28 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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