Posted on 12/15/2011 1:44:32 PM PST by libertarian neocon
This is really not a place I thought I'd be at. Up until very recently I didn't even think there was a Republican that could be nominated that would keep me home on election day or vote for a 3rd party. I think I have found that candidate and it is Mitt Romney. There are two main reasons for this, the first being that I really have no idea what he actually stands for. I don't think anybody does. And I think that chances are high that he doesn't really stand for much that is different than Obama's current policies. Let's take a quick look at his record:
Even in this primary season, in which his rhetoric is the most conservative you will probably see Mitt act in his lifetime (if he gets the nomination, expect him to move to the left for the general election), it's unclear how different he is. Take foreign policy. His biggest issue with Obama is that he is withdrawing the "surge troops" in September 2012 instead of December 2012. Really, a 3 month difference? Is that why I am supposed to vote for you? What about arguing that we keep the troops there until we win? Have we forgot about having actual victory as a goal? It seems Mitt has. Then, on Israel, his biggest issue with Obama's policies seem to be that he criticized Israel in public instead of in private. Big friggin deal. As a strong Israel supporter I am not for any US President who will turn the screws on the Jewish state whether it be out in the open or behind closed doors. I want someone who actually supports Israel, one of our closest allies, and will work together against common foes. Then of course there was the exchange with Newt in which Romney defended capital gains tax cut being limited to those making under $200,000 in language similar to Obama's. "I'm not worried about rich people. They are doing just fine."
So tell me again why I should be voting for Mitt? Have you noticed that most Mitt proponents seem to focus on the idea that he is the "most electable" as the reason to vote for him with almost no mention of his record? The most they can scrounge up are some quotes with promises from the Romney campaign. Yes, promises from a guy who changes his mind like you change your underwear. I think the real reason that much of the establishment Republicans support Romney is because of the same old Washington game. It really doesn't matter to them what the ideology of the candidate is, as long as he wins and you are friends with his close advisors. And since Romney has been the front runner for so long, each one of those establishment reporters have spent months, even years schmoozing with the campaign and have dreams of close access with a sitting President and possibly even an undersecretaryship. How else do you explain their visceral reaction to Gingrich, the first realistic challenger to Romney. Newt has issues, sure, but has it deserved the relentless negative attacks? Sure, he isn't a perfect conservative but very few are. Even Rick Santorum has favored pork projects, steel tariffs and medicare part D. You don't see the press attacking him for it. Or even Ron Paul who is polling as #2 in most Iowa polls. That's because the Romney supporters in the press don't feel either of them are a threat to them achieving the access/position they have been waiting for.
And this brings up the second big reason why I won't be voting for Mitt Romney if he wins the nomination. His treatment of his Republican opposition. This man acts just like Obama, someone who will do anything to be President. It is one thing to compete with a candidate for votes through a fair description of differences in record etc., but it's another thing to be out to destroy another candidate, especially another Republican. And that is exactly what Romney and his minions are trying to do with Newt, they are trying to destroy him. Even people who aren't in Newt's camp, like Mark Levin are seeing this happen before our eyes. Really, the temerity of Romney saying that Newt is an unreliable conservative after having a record as horrible as he had in Massachusetts? Referring to him as "zany"? Having surrogates character assassinate in the press on an almost daily basis? It's not like Newt did anything to deserve any of this. He didn't climb to the top of the polls through negative ads on Romney, he climbed to the top by appearing as an elder statesman in a weak candidate field and having the ability to actually explain why he believes what he believes. He also has a proven record of balancing budgets and passing entitlement reform under a Democratic President! Is that so wrong? And this isn't the first time Romney did this, as he also launched negative attacks on both Huckabee and McCain (though he didn't have the press in his pocket back then because Giuliani and Thompson were thought to have a greater chance at the nomination early on).
Things have become so bad that you face character assassination just for opposing Romney. Rudy Giuliani had a rant against Romney today focusing on his flip flops. Jennifer Rubin attacked him for this by tweeting "Romney will never win over the adulterers no matter how hard he tries". Really? That is all Rudy Giuliani is now? An adulterer? How about the NYC mayor who showed real leadership while his city was under attack by Al-Qaeda, with thousands dead, including many members of the local police and fire departments? He's a hero and doesn't deserve to be called an adulterer for voicing an opinion about a candidate.
And unfortunately, even Paul Ryan, who has become engulfed by the establishment, has come in on the act with a completely dishonest attack on Newt. Just yesterday (as in 1 day ago) he said "This is not the 1990s. The 'Mediscare' is not working and we should not back down from this fight. I, for one, believe the country is ready, they're hungry for it. They are ready to hear real solutions. We shouldn't wait around for the status quo to become popular. Leaders don't follow the polls, leaders change the polls." And what did he do today? He announced the Ryan-Wyden plan which waters down his reforms tremendously and possibly eliminates any actual benefit from medicare reform. The Washington Post has this choice line "Ryan and Wyden acknowledged that their plan might not bring in more savings than under the current law." Is this how leader's lead? Also, apparently Ryan and Wyden won't even write the proposed legislation any time in the near future, likely waiting until 2013 (I guess they have time as there will be no benefit coming until 2022).
And there you have it. Neither Romney's record nor his rhetoric are something that I would actually want to vote for. He is, in many ways, little different from the guy who Romney supporters claim Romney would be best at getting rid of. I am also very much turned off by his character, which is supposedly exemplary but is, in actuality, that of a calculating political operative only interested in himself. As I've mentioned before, he is the Dorian Grey of the GOP and I stick by that. I am also sick of the establishment thinking they can ram a candidate down our throats, without even a single vote being cast! Unlike normal people, they care more about which party is in office, than the ideology of the guy actually in office. They are the ones behind the Democrat-lite candidates that we had in almost every election since 1936. No wonder government has continued to expand at such a fantastic rate. If the Democrats win, they expand government. If the Republicans win, they also expand government. I'm tired of that cycle and I'm tired of having to vote between the lesser of two evils.
I also think those of us who believe in small government need to take a stand against MItt Romney in order to save the Tea Party movement. I think that if after all the effort to fight Obamacare and to win back the House ends up with us getting someone like Mitt Romney, many Tea Party supporters will just throw up their hands in disgust and walk away from caring any more. Focusing more on their jobs and family rather than politics. This will ensure both that the GOP will lose a large portion of their base for future elections (giving more victories to the Democrats) as well as giving GOP control squarely in the hands of the establishment so they can continue to nominate losers like McCain, Romney, Dole and George H.W. Bush.
So, I can see myself supporting every other GOP candidate if they are the nominee. Bachmann, Santorum, Perry, Paul and even Huntsman will get my vote (he might be a wayward conservative but at least he is honest about it. Plus, his record as Governor of Utah is much better than Romney's and his tax reform plan is actually ambitious). But not Romney. Not ever.
Just clarifying.
I think he’s ( Mitt? Who names their kid Mitt?)a pussy and would throw a hissy fit if he didn’t get his own way just like the current “ Brown Clown”.
If Mitty is the nominee I pray he has a vice-president worth voting for !
Maybe not, but you're posting to him.
A Libertarian voting for the Libertarian. How original.
Think you are a Paul person.
Having said that, I will not vote for N. Leroy Gingrich if he is the GOP nominee.
So you think it’s okay, if there is 2 socialists parties and no opposition?
Vote third party, elect the Kenyan. Send a message to the republican establishment, elect the Kenyan. Stay home, elect the Kenyan.
I hate Romney and Newt too but the Kenyan is the devil.
who names their kid newt?
I would never vote for Romney in the primary, but when it comes to voting for X...here against Barry, ...you betcha’.
Let’s see: I held my nose voting for Nixon, Ford, Bush I, Bob Dole, Bush II, John McCain, and probably Romney if he’s the nominee (hopefully not). Becoming weary and maybe if conservatives can take the Senate and strengthen the House majority, they can keep Mitt in line.
Amen!
I won’t be voting for Romney if he’s the nominee either. We are in the midst of a titanic battle. Since election day 2008, the press and all the republicans have been mentioning Romney’s name incessantly to get it into people’s heads that he will be the eventual nominee.
The republican want Romney because he’ll go along with their dime-store New Deal gravy train. And the democrats want Romney because he’s weak and he’ll demoralize conservatives.
Finally, the votes are about to be cast and we’ll see where people actually stand and if they’ve been swayed by the polls and the fear-mongering of every candidate but Romney (and wait till the fear-mongering of Romney begins!). I don’t believe any of the polls, I want to see vote results. Hopefully, they’ll sweep Romney to where he belongs: in the pantheon of republican moderate losers.
This is the system we have right now. These are the candidates we don’t have to like the whole system but for 2012 this is it. Take the lesser of two evils if you have to look at it that way. Barry or whoever it is you don’t like. Changing the political system takes time and effort. Not this we can’t wait BS that Barry and his crew spew.
The scary thing is that Obama’s capital gains plan (>$250k) is more pro-growth than Romney’s (>$200k). I’m not sure how anyone could think he is much better.
All I see Romney doing is setting back the conservatives in the GOP by about another 10 years. I can’t vote for someone who I know is intent on destroying the only reason I support the GOP....conservatism.
“Think you are a Paul person.”
If you go to my website you will see a big Newt button.
I’m a libertarian who believes in a strong & active defense which basically means Paul won’t be my first (or second of third choice). If I had to rank the candidates in order of preference they are:
1. Newt
2. Santorum
3. Perry
4. Bachmann
5. Huntsman
6. Paul
"So let's see, implemented a socialist healthcare system, raised taxes, opposed tax cuts, proposed a draconian decrease in greenhouse emissions, was for increasing the minimum wage, signed a permanent assault weapons ban and appointed liberal judges."
He will also lose a lot of his own base when the media starts hitting him on his cult affiliation during the general, MITT ROMNEY IS THE PERFECT TARGET TO GO UP AGAINST A BLACK PRESIDENT for them. Just look at a few of the choice things FLDS/LDS "Prophet" Brigham Yound had to say...then imagine Chirs Matthews is reading this during the general.
"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race -- that they should be the "servants of servants;" and they will be, until that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree." (FLDS/LDS "Prophet" Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 290, 1859)
Not only is Romney as liberal as Obama, he will lose to him in a the general. the MSM is going to pull every crazy thing the so called "prophets" of the 100+ offshoots of his cult have said, including men living on the moon and sun, Mary being impregnated physically by God(s), the second coming happening in 1891 (Just like Harold Camping), Jews being worse thean the devil (the msnbc "romney kkk" story the other day was a hint), Christ being a polygamist ETC ETC ETC.
No Romney, NO WAY !!
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