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Americans cheered Gen. Patton when he urinated on the enemy
Fellowship of the Minds (Conservatives who love America) ^ | January 12, 2012 | Robert K. Wilcox

Posted on 01/13/2012 9:51:48 PM PST by Windflier

The last soldier I heard of urinating on the enemy was Gen. George S. Patton. Should the general, who, as much as any other, was responsible for defeating the Nazis, have been driven from the military for such an act? You’d think so from the hysteric response building in the mainstream and Left-leaning press to a video allegedly showing marines urinating on dead Taliban fighters. Presuming it’s authentic, such reaction is absurd.

We send these young men out to kill and maim their enemy. That means snuffing out their life, with all the heartbreak and tragedy involved. They usually do this with bullets that rip and tear; or larger projectiles like grenades, artillery shells, or air-dropped bombs which can shred or disintegrate a body. Often fire is involved. Is urinating on a dead body worse?

Yet as I write, I can feel the hope and purpose in a headline like AOL-Huffington Post’s, “Outrage over Purported Marine Video: A shocking video that allegedly shows American soldiers performing a ‘disgusting’ act sparks a US Marine Corps investigation.” It’s already tagged under “atrocities” and “war crimes.” What the headline writers are really saying is, “Oh please, please, another Mai Lai Massacre type scandal like in Vietnam. Well, we know it’s not going to be that big, but we can again throw bad light on the US military, which we basically hate and fear and are mad at for doing all the bad things they do.”

Of course they’ve gone to the Council on American-Islamic Relations for comment. As if they didn’t know they’d get a condemnation. But did they balance it with someone at war with the Taliban? Not a chance. And the statement says, “The video shows behavior…totally unbecoming of American military personnel and that would ultimately endanger other soldiers and civilians.”

It’s so predictable, petty, and blown out of proportion by a media that largely knows nothing of the battlefield and why a crude but ultimately innocuous act like this might happen. What do they expect in war? Tea and crumpets and the Marquess of Queensbury rules? War is hell. Most of those fighting it are young, usually 18 to 22. They are inexperienced. They are sent to deserts and other uninhabitable places with stinging insects, maddening heat and sanitary conditions the Left would be screaming was child abuse. They forge a bond with each other few peacetime friendships can ever hope to equal. They have to. It’s the only way to get through. And some of them, if not more, see that bonded friend killed or mutilated as only war can do it.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: patton; taliban; war
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To: jpsb
WTF, I am a Marine, you fight to win, period.

I apologize if I misread your reasons for posting those historical excerpts of war. I assumed (wrongly) that you were trying to make the opposite point.

It's late, and I've been arguing with libs and other confused people about this all night.

51 posted on 01/13/2012 11:01:25 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: dalereed
They should make it a rule to smear lard on every obne of them they kill!!!



52 posted on 01/13/2012 11:03:55 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

There is no substitute for victory. Gen MacAuthor.


53 posted on 01/13/2012 11:04:48 PM PST by jpsb
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To: garjog
Oh, I hope that the bullet that shattered the scull of that Taliban’s head was produced in a sensitive and culturally appropriate manner so not to offend the highly advanced Muslim value system because then they might really be upset with us and start hating Americans even more!



54 posted on 01/13/2012 11:05:42 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: jpsb
I was just giving accounts of great warriors and great commanders that won and how they won. War is not PC and if you try to fight PC you will be lucky to win. War is breaking the enemies will to fight and that sometimes required brutal tactics.

I get that now. Sorry for my earlier misinterpretation. You're completely right about the reality of war.

55 posted on 01/13/2012 11:07:16 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Fight to win or stay home.


56 posted on 01/13/2012 11:07:54 PM PST by jpsb
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To: onyx
Delighted! LOL. Too bad our brave Marines recorded it. That's all.

I agree.

In fact, when the story first broke, that was my very first thought. My second reaction was mild amusement. My third was anger at the shocked! reactions of libs and other confused morons.

57 posted on 01/13/2012 11:10:04 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Eh, I’d make him work in a hog rendering plant 16 hours a day, with Fridays off.

On Fridays, he will be driven to Killeen TX and walk outside with a placard saying:

“I killed 12 American servicemen at Ft. Hood and all I got was this lousy placard.”

Then when he gets to old to work, send him back to Killeen TX and the old folks home there.


58 posted on 01/13/2012 11:13:18 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: Windflier

The Marines that pissed on the Afghans should get mess duty for a month, not for pissing on the enemy, but for recording it and letting the F8King press get the recording. Idiots that have a problem with these Marines should be deported to Afghanistan.


59 posted on 01/13/2012 11:13:38 PM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb
Fight to win or stay home.

Precisely. It's time we let the military take back the reins of warfare, and get the lawyers and the simpering liberal politicians out of it.

They've gotten hundreds of thousands of our brave people killed over the last few decades - and HAVEN'T allowed them the victories they sacrificed so many lives to win.

That, in turn, has emboldened even more anti-American hostility to flourish around the world, and gotten us into even MORE conflicts, which the liberals and crybabies have further tied the hands of our military. And, of course, that leads to even MORE of the same.

It's a vicious cycle that feeds upon itself, and is leading us toward a future war that will see millions of dead. It makes me nuts (and that's putting it mildly).

60 posted on 01/13/2012 11:17:34 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Here is Patton speaking in LA introduced by Gen. Doolittle, and the film narrated by Ronald Reagan!

Patton’s classic VA Southern accent with great irony, humor and oration skills- a leader.

“Places in Germany whose names I can’t pronounce but whose places I have removed”—Classic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYjnWXFTQkM


61 posted on 01/13/2012 11:19:55 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Windflier
The Nazis back in Berlin may have been monsters, but the guys he fought on the battlefield were soldiers just like him

Except for much of the Waffen SS.

Remember the Malmedy massacre.

62 posted on 01/13/2012 11:21:43 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: BenKenobi
On Fridays, he will be driven to Killeen TX and walk outside with a placard saying: “I killed 12 American servicemen at Ft. Hood and all I got was this lousy placard.”

I don't think he'd last more than about an hour wearing that sign on the streets of Killeen. LOL

63 posted on 01/13/2012 11:22:55 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2832296/posts

Got a bunch of armchair QBs on this thread Windy. Turns my stomach.


64 posted on 01/13/2012 11:25:10 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: jpsb
The Marines that pissed on the Afghans should get mess duty for a month, not for pissing on the enemy, but for recording it and letting the F8King press get the recording.

A lot of my Facebook friends are saying the same thing. I agree. Making the recording, and then somehow letting it get out, is the only thing I can condemn them for.

Idiots that have a problem with these Marines should be deported to Afghanistan.

No joke. I've told more than one moron to walk a mile in these Marines' boots before condemning them. Those guys are fighting barbaric monsters for their very lives. We owe them our thanks and everlasting gratitude for what they're doing.

65 posted on 01/13/2012 11:26:26 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: El Gato
Except for much of the Waffen SS.

I was talking about the German regulars, not the SS. It goes without saying that they were monsters.

66 posted on 01/13/2012 11:27:56 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

But in Afghanistan, there are no regulars, and the enemy is all the equivalent of the Waffen SS.


67 posted on 01/13/2012 11:32:27 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Windflier

I don’t think I could have said this any better.

Very eloquently and truthfully stated.

I had never seen the picture at post #13.

It broke my heart as well as it enraged me. Hearing about an event is a sanitized version of seeing it.

Maybe photos like these should be shown to the general public so they have a better understanding of what our guys deal with.


68 posted on 01/13/2012 11:35:53 PM PST by berdie
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To: Norm Lenhart
Got a bunch of armchair QBs on this thread Windy. Turns my stomach.

I read maybe a dozen posts into the thread until I encountered the first negative comment. I let 'em have it. Most of what I saw, though, was what you'd expect of the Freeper community.

69 posted on 01/13/2012 11:39:21 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: El Gato
in Afghanistan, there are no regulars, and the enemy is all the equivalent of the Waffen SS.

Very good observation, which is all the more reason that those scum don't deserve the slightest bit of sympathy for what our Marines did.

70 posted on 01/13/2012 11:41:45 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier; BenKenobi; onyx; ntnychik; dixiechick2000

This is an administration and media which continues to persecute the Haditha Marines.

Which terms the Ft. Hood jihadic massacre an incident of workplace violence.

Which gives Russia terminal velocity data of the Standard Missile interceptor.

Which put a higher value on filling the ranks with homosexuals than filling the flight lines with F-22s.

The rules of engagement are that the enemy shall be given the advantage--it's called treason.

The article author Robert K. Wilcox wrote Target: Patton which presents a compelling case for assassination rather than accidental death.

It wasn't politic to expose the sacrifice of tens of thousands of Allied POWs to getting along with Uncle Joe.

And the prospect of Patton returning to California to run for the U.S. Senate and ultimately the White House was unthinkable.

He deemed the war incomplete with the totalitarian superstate still standing.

Now Iraq and Afghanistan are sand castles not military objectives.

While Bill Ayers' Best Friend Forever hosts the IRGC building silos on the Panaguan Peninsula.

Hey, subjects, watch sex-change patients on Dancing With The Stars and leave geopolitics to the experts.


71 posted on 01/13/2012 11:45:12 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Windflier

Americans will not tolerate a loser.

Real Americans love to win....


72 posted on 01/13/2012 11:47:56 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: berdie

Thanks, Berdie. What modern, pacifist Americans fail to understand, is that fighting war with one hand tied behind your back, only encourages more war.

If America had begun bombing the Middle East back into the stone age after 9/11, it wouldn’t have taken long before those countries began wiping out Al Qaeda and the rest of the radical Muslims themselves.

The War on Terror would have ended within months, if we’d simply unleashed our war machine without restraint. Those countries would be our staunchest allies by now.

Look at where we are instead. Governments across the Middle East are falling, and being replaced with radical Islamist jihad groups. Iraq has been abandoned, and will soon fall to the Muslim Brotherhood. Iran is working on developing an atomic bomb and the means to deliver it trans-continentally. And the war in Afghanistan continues.

What pains me most at this time, is that the stars were aligned for the US to elect another Reagan this year. That person would have turned this whole picture around, but now.... I don’t know what’s going to happen.


73 posted on 01/13/2012 11:54:39 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
"They've gotten hundreds of thousands of our brave people killed over the last few decades - and HAVEN'T allowed them the victories they sacrificed so many lives to win."

No commander worth his salt would allow this, if this nation is to survive it's warriors must be freed to wage war. Where is no other way,

74 posted on 01/13/2012 11:55:15 PM PST by jpsb
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To: PhilDragoo

That was a devastating post. Thank you.


75 posted on 01/13/2012 11:56:56 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
While Patton was leading the battles in WW2 the Marxist invited here by a certain university were invading our education system including the military academies following WW2. The result was kinder, gentler, {on our side as such only} wars we would not win. PC is killing our military as much as defunding it is. The Marxist made certain we had no more Pattons.
76 posted on 01/13/2012 11:57:47 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Vendome
"Americans will not tolerate a loser. Real Americans love to win...."


77 posted on 01/13/2012 11:58:35 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: BenKenobi
On Fridays, he will be driven to Killeen TX and walk outside with a placard saying: “I killed 12 American servicemen at Ft. Hood and all I got was this lousy placard.

He doesn't walk anywhere these days, thanks to the bullet in his spine fired by Sgt. Mark Todd a civilian DoD cop (but retired military).

12 military killed, plus two civilians, counting the unborn child of Pvt. Francheska Velez.

I was on post that day.. well actually I was at off post @ Blimpies, a couple of miles, maybe a little less, from the shooting site, when the story came on TV. But I was able to get onto what is called "West Ft. Hood", before they shut that down as well.

The next summer after the shooting, I had knee surgery, twice, in the same hospital where the other DoD cop to respond , Sergeant Kimberly Munley, was taken. I had the same physical therapist too. Made standing at attention, or as close as i could come, during the one year memorial, somewhat difficult.

78 posted on 01/13/2012 11:58:57 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: jpsb
if this nation is to survive it's warriors must be freed to wage war.

Amen. A country that will not honestly fight for itself, is doomed to the ash heap of history.

79 posted on 01/14/2012 12:01:28 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: El Gato

I’m aware of his injury sir.

You folks have my sympathies. I remember hearing about it and calling my friends here in TX, hoping that they were ok. Thankfully they got back to me a few days later being off base at the time.

The worst part is all the folks who gave Hasan a pass. The warning signs were there. His supervisors had it all. It wasn’t sudden Jihadi syndrome, it was a clear and consistant pattern. He never should have been a mile from any military base and dishonorably discharged years before the massacre.

But all we can do is pray for those who fell. Wish I could do more.


80 posted on 01/14/2012 12:06:49 AM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: Windflier

Updated Kipling, I think it works, only wish I was young enough to help. Sucks to get older.

81 posted on 01/14/2012 12:08:33 AM PST by jpsb
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To: cva66snipe
While Patton was leading the battles in WW2 the Marxist invited here by a certain university were invading our education system including the military academies following WW2. The result was kinder, gentler, {on our side as such only} wars we would not win.

Indeed. They've been very successful too, but they haven't extinguished the heart of patriotism in this country. Not by a long shot. Let the SHTF, and it will rebound with a fury, and exterminate every last vestige of treason and Marxism that infects us.

In fact, the more the Marxists push their alien agenda upon us, the more they ensure the eventual cleansing of their immoral and destructive pestilence from our society.

82 posted on 01/14/2012 12:08:42 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: jpsb
Updated Kipling, I think it works

I think it does. I'll bet every soldier and Marine over there would approve.

only wish I was young enough to help.

I'm sure you've already helped plenty. Thank you for your service, Marine.

83 posted on 01/14/2012 12:14:21 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: BenKenobi
I remember hearing about it and calling my friends here in TX, hoping that they were ok

My mother saw the news before I got back on post and had my brother call me. He called my cell, which was on my desk rather than on my belt where it belonged. Meanwhile, my wife, who lives about 4 hours away, was on my cell phone with my office mates when I walked in the door. They had no clue where I was. And everyone was surprised to see me, because they thought the place was locked down. Apparently at least one gate guard didn't get the word, although he knew of the incident 2-3 miles away from his post. The folks in the office had already been told to stay inside.

84 posted on 01/14/2012 12:14:37 AM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Good thing you were ok and not caught up in it.


85 posted on 01/14/2012 12:24:37 AM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: Windflier

thank you, our job is to see that our troops are not thrown under the bus. Our job is to bring hell to D.C. and restore the Republic. G*d how I wish we had a leader here at home. I hate the Marxist media, I hate how whenever a patriot stands up they are torn down. I still have hope, but it is fading.


86 posted on 01/14/2012 12:25:32 AM PST by jpsb
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To: PhilDragoo

Love it! You are FR’s war historian, and much more.

BTW, this might sound badly, but I’m glad he’s gone. He was a traitor.

One down...lol


87 posted on 01/14/2012 12:29:33 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (Proud barbarian TEA Party SOB and an evil Capitalist.)
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To: jpsb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRvz7x6s1RY


88 posted on 01/14/2012 12:35:04 AM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: Windflier
The proper process these days is to collect the urine into a plastic bag, and then drop it from a drone over the target.

-PJ

89 posted on 01/14/2012 12:43:05 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
The proper process these days is to collect the urine into a plastic bag, and then drop it from a drone over the target.

Sounds like a liberal's idea of a war crime. Or, is that how they propose we fight our wars going forward? Maybe throw in some pea shooters and spit balls too?

90 posted on 01/14/2012 1:08:05 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: jpsb
thank you, our job is to see that our troops are not thrown under the bus. Our job is to bring hell to D.C. and restore the Republic.

Indeed it is. Keep fighting in any way you can - even if it's only to correct some liberal moron on Facebook, or the comments section of an article. Communicate your needs and wants to your reps in Washington - even if you think they're not listening - they are.

Never lose hope. Your fellow Freepers are here for you, if you ever need a lift in your spirits. We're gonna get our country back, but not without a fight.

91 posted on 01/14/2012 1:13:45 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Piss on Progressives.


92 posted on 01/14/2012 1:37:44 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: jpsb

Thank you for your service.


93 posted on 01/14/2012 1:44:33 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (ROMNEY / ALINSKY 2012 (sarcasm))
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To: Windflier

“War is cruelty. There’s no use trying to reform it; the crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.” — William T. Sherman


94 posted on 01/14/2012 4:00:21 AM PST by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: garjog

“But, if your buddy was killed by these inhuman Talaban oppressors, you might be tempted to act viciously in response too.”

Exactly. Some pundit or other said such things as our soldiers pissing on taliban dead would “provoke a response”. I wondered at the time, given the savage God-less nature of the Taliban, if our soldier THEMSELVES were not “provked” andtthat this was the “response” No one seems to have looked into this.


95 posted on 01/14/2012 4:31:50 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Windflier
This story really needs to die. It is not a win for America. You cannot defend the indefensible.

(This from the Dad of a Marine)

96 posted on 01/14/2012 4:36:47 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: Windflier

What those Marines did is a disgrace to the Corps, not to mention the Taliban who died.

There is no honor in what they did. Am I glad those Taliban SOBs are dead? Absolutely - but I am saddened at the actions of these Marines.

In WWI, fliers such as Baron Von Richtofen were accorded decency and respect in death by the Allies until his body could be given to the Germans. The Germans reciprocated.

In the Battle of Leyte Gulf, after the USS Johnston sank, the Japanese gave her men compassion. The Johnston was a destroyer that pestered the Japanese battleship flotilla until she was overwhelmed and lost.

The men of the Johnston in the water were given canned rations and bottled water thrown by Japanese sailors of the flotilla. One Japanese officer stood at attention and saluted Captain Ernest Evans of the Johnston for bravery.

Captain Evans succumbed to his injuries and was lost to the sea. He was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor pothsumously ...


97 posted on 01/14/2012 5:23:44 AM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Windflier

If we’re going to pontificate on relative evils between foes, let us ask whether or not King George’s army considered our rag-tag gang of “terrorists” worse than the Taliban, and took a moment to piss on their corpses, too. I have a hard time believing the 40’s generation would be prone to cheer either way.


98 posted on 01/14/2012 5:28:26 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: Windflier
To paraphrase Jesse Naisbitt, they just don't make Americans like they used to.
99 posted on 01/14/2012 5:41:54 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (eat more possum.)
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To: dalereed

If they toss pork at the Taliban, I’d vote them for President!


100 posted on 01/14/2012 7:14:28 AM PST by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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