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(Vanity)Romney is a "Christian" ??? Fight this evil liberal-MSM Nazi-propaganda against Christ's Chu
http://www.Engineering-Excellence.US ^ | 2012-02-04 | Patton@Bastogne, Free Republic Member since 1998

Posted on 02/04/2012 7:51:57 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne

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The Anti-Christ Liberal Main-Stream-Media wants to FORCE "Christians" to accept the BLASPHEMY of Mormonism and Islam ....


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There's a BIG difference between "Protestant vs. Catholic" theology ...

versus "Christian vs. Mormon" theology ...




Mormonism is really just a COMBINATION of Islam and Scientology ... they BOTH believe ...


1) Abraham and Christ "just good 'ol boys" ...


2) Multiple Wives are OK (wink, wink, fellas !)


3) We all just "Celestial Gods" in waiting ... for that "special" M-Class planet that "god" (whoever the heck is) has reserved for us ...


4) Drum Roll ....

4-A) Christ is just a "good guy" ... Christ DID NOT resuurect from the dead, and he is NOT the Sacrificial Lamb of God, who sits Perfect, Righteous and the right hand of God the Father ...
Mormons and Scientolgists and Islamics DO NOT believe that ...
"There is No Other name under heaven whereby men can be saved, except Jesus Christ"

4-B) Christ, whose shed blood on Calvary's cross was the (Old Testament) atonement for Mankind's sins and transgressions ... against a holy eternal YAHWEH who is the "Uncreated Creator" ...


Myself, Billy Graham, James Dobson, Martin Luther, St. Augustine, Newt Gingich, Chuck Swindoll, Rick Santorum, Mother Theresa ... all believe 4-B ... hence we are "Christians" ...


Mormon "Archbishop Willard Romney" believes 4-A ... hence he is NOT (NEVER) a "Christian" ...

Any more than Buddah, Socrates, Neistche, Mohammed, L. Ron Hubbard ... or that fraud "prophet" Joseph Smith ... who sits today ... burning in Hell's Eternal Fire ...

Period.


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Again ... the Anti-Christ Liberal Main-Stream-Media wants to FORCE "Christians" to accept the BLASPHEMY of Mormonism and Islam ....

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Would you vote for a (practicing) "Islamic" to U.S. President ?

"No" ... you reply ...


Would you vote for a (practicing) "Scientologist" to U.S. President ?

"No" ... you reply ...


THEN WHY ... would you vote for a (practicing) "Mormon" to U.S. President ?



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We live in America ... and every U.S. Citizen of every RELIGIOUS FAITH ....

has the Constritutional Right to vote for WHOEVER they please ...

be they Atheists, Pagans, Wiccans, Baptists, Catholics, Buddists, Mormons ... whatever ...

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However ... I REFUSE TO ACCEPT the Nazi-Style Propaganda that "Mormon Archbishop Willard Romney" is a Christian ... under ANY circumstances !

What say "you" ?????

Who will stand with me, as I stand with Christ ... today ?

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1 posted on 02/04/2012 7:52:05 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: Patton@Bastogne

next time...break the prozac in half


2 posted on 02/04/2012 7:55:51 AM PST by skaterboy (Hate=Love....Love=Hate)
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To: skaterboy

Maybe he should lay off the prozac and find a nice quiet rock to hug!


3 posted on 02/04/2012 7:57:43 AM PST by GVnana (Newt 2012 - He Speaks for Us)
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To: Patton@Bastogne; moder_ator

I think there is another forum for these kind of posts. Not News/Activism. Mr. or Ms. Mod should know for sure.


4 posted on 02/04/2012 7:58:21 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: skaterboy
I will never vote for Romney, he has several screws lose, not trust worthy
5 posted on 02/04/2012 7:59:05 AM PST by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Yeah

Romney and Obamma both...

equally as Christian...


6 posted on 02/04/2012 7:59:15 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (Romney I like firing people......and I’m not concerned about the very poor.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

You are so wrong, you must have met yourself coming, or was that going?

Ferv888


7 posted on 02/04/2012 7:59:15 AM PST by ferv888
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Well said!!

Cannot be said enough.


8 posted on 02/04/2012 7:59:43 AM PST by madmaximus (Anyone But Robamney.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne
>>Romney is a “Christian” ??

Only on Planet Kolob, among Deseretian secessionist religionist con-artist god-men... who hang upon the rungs of the [Ponzi] ladder whilst wearing magic underwear.

9 posted on 02/04/2012 8:00:22 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: GVnana; skaterboy
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Sounds from your response that the target's been aquired, boresighted, and successfully hit ...

Now we'll "fire for effect" ...


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10 posted on 02/04/2012 8:01:33 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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To: Patton@Bastogne
You make a very spirited point, and it is all to accurate. Sadly American Christianity has been so watered down now even “Conservative” Christians no long think defending the faith is Politically Correct. Oprah has won.

Also explains why we are doomed as a nation. We no longer stand for whats right, for fear of offending someone.

11 posted on 02/04/2012 8:02:50 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Question is ... can you vote for Obama (a muslim?) or Romney a professed mormon?

They are both deceived and are deceivers!


12 posted on 02/04/2012 8:07:47 AM PST by Right Ahead
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To: Patton@Bastogne

I already voted for Newt. I hope everyone votes for Newt. But, if Romney gets the nomination then the choice is between a Secular Marxist-Muslim vs a EuroSocialist-Mormon.

Mormons may not be fully Christian, but they don’t fly planes into buildings, mutilate girls, murder their daughters, behead captives (or even take captives!!), or blow up busses.

Romney’s politics and Romney’s vision of capitalism for the wealthy only are a major concern for me. His religion is not. You are playing directly to the MSM plan to re-elect Obama by attacking Romney’s religion with this screed.


13 posted on 02/04/2012 8:08:21 AM PST by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: Patton@Bastogne
I'm always amazed at how many people, these days, don't understand what Christianity is.

The LDS is non-trinitarian. They believe that God and the Son and the Holy Spirit are separate, distinct entities, rather than being united in one in a way that is incomprehensible to man.

They share this with Islam, Unitarianism, Jehovah's Witnesses, and a great many of the historical heresies (e.g. Arianism).

Simple truth is that a lot of people have a really hard time with the principle that the fundamental nature of God is beyond human comprehension, and they insist on breaking down the concept into more comprehensible parts.

This is an error. But it's a very human error.

14 posted on 02/04/2012 8:08:28 AM PST by jdege
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To: ferv888

Where exactly is he wrong?


15 posted on 02/04/2012 8:10:23 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

The State-controlled Media will push this Mormon=Christian malarkey right up to the point where the idiot Republicans foist Willard on us as the GOP nominee. 30 seconds after that happens, they’ll begin their Mormon=Wierd Cult meme.


16 posted on 02/04/2012 8:10:29 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Controlling RINOs in Congress is like herding cats; should we be surprised Newt got scratched?)
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To: Right Ahead

I dont intend to ever vote for either...


17 posted on 02/04/2012 8:10:37 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (Romney I like firing people......and I’m not concerned about the very poor.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Needs more hyperbole


18 posted on 02/04/2012 8:10:49 AM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

You are absolutely right. What Mormon doctrine holds is not compatible with Christianity.


19 posted on 02/04/2012 8:12:19 AM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Romney will get the nomination. Then Romney will loose like Dole, like McCain...

But hey, the GOP got their man. Romney who’s paid his dues, is established and been around for a while gets what he wants, the MSM gets a moderate that they like. Everyone wins, right?


20 posted on 02/04/2012 8:12:51 AM PST by Red6
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To: Right Ahead
Question is ... can you vote for Obama (a muslim?) or Romney a professed mormon?

They are both deceived and are deceivers!

Muslim taqqiya = Mormon "milk before meat"

21 posted on 02/04/2012 8:13:02 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Controlling RINOs in Congress is like herding cats; should we be surprised Newt got scratched?)
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To: Bryanw92

Mormons may not be fully Christian, but they don’t ...behead captives (or even take captives!!
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You dont know Mormon history...


22 posted on 02/04/2012 8:13:35 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (Romney I like firing people......and I’m not concerned about the very poor.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Romney is a Mormon, not a christian. Mormonism does not follow a Trinitarian form of Baptism, as proscribed by Jesus Christ. Mormons believe that God the Father is a physical being. They believe that he was once like us in every respect. He was born of human parents and lived a faithful Mormon life. Consequently, after he died he was resurrected by his own god and became a god himself. This gave him the right to create planets of his own. Together with his heavenly wives (resurrected Mormon women) he created spirit children who were then placed into the physical bodies of children born on earth. Mormons believe that they can follow the same path to godhood.


23 posted on 02/04/2012 8:14:03 AM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: boomop1

Romney is a Kennedy Democrat. Look at his Taxachusetts record. He actually was a registered Democrat in 1992 when he supported Paul Tsongas for President...but nobody in the Republican party wants to talk about that.

Wonder why?


24 posted on 02/04/2012 8:15:19 AM PST by kjo
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To: ejonesie22

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith. Which Faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled; without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the Catholic Faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the Catholic Religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords. The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, let him thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Essence of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Essence of his Mother, born in the world. Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the Father as touching his Manhood. Who although he is God and Man; yet he is not two, but one Christ. One; not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood into God. One altogether; not by confusion of Essence; but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell; rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of the God the Father Almighty, from whence he will come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies; And shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire. This is the Catholic Faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved.


25 posted on 02/04/2012 8:16:00 AM PST by jdege
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To: Tennessee Nana

Yes I do. But if we are going to go to the history books to condemn people today, then let’s look at the Jews, Catholics, and some Protestants as well. The world used to be a much more harsh and violent place than it is now. The big take-away on this is that the Muslims are STILL doing it!


26 posted on 02/04/2012 8:16:51 AM PST by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: kjo

Ted the swimmer I presume.


27 posted on 02/04/2012 8:17:40 AM PST by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: Bryanw92

So, would you vote for a Muslim, Satanist, Atheist???

A candidate’s faith, phony faith or lack-of are his/her’s belief system, they influence their thinking and behavior. In other words, how they will govern.

A candidate’s religion and which one they follow, and how faithfully, matters. It matters very much.


28 posted on 02/04/2012 8:18:22 AM PST by madmaximus (Anyone But Robamney.)
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To: jdege
As he said this is not about Catholic vs. Protestant theology. On the whole aside from some outlying stanch adherents, which of course always suck the oxygen from the room, Catholics and Protestants work together as Christians with little issue. Even in the deep South here I see that every week.

Now Mormons are a slap in the face to all of us in Christ Family...

29 posted on 02/04/2012 8:21:14 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Right Ahead

Neither will ever get my vote.


30 posted on 02/04/2012 8:21:22 AM PST by madmaximus (Anyone But Robamney.)
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...

Ping


31 posted on 02/04/2012 8:25:51 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Romney seems like a creature put on Earth to blend in with the humans and report back what he finds.)
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To: madmaximus
I will never vote for Willard, but not just because he's a Mormon. I will never vote for him because: Those are the main reasons, off the top of my head. I also don't like the fact that the GOP is shoving him in our faces, being completely disrespectful to conservative ideals, and yet after the convention, will arrogantly expect us to get in line and support their nominee, no matter how loathsome he is to conservatives.
32 posted on 02/04/2012 8:27:35 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Controlling RINOs in Congress is like herding cats; should we be surprised Newt got scratched?)
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To: boomop1

Yeah...Romney is a cleaned-up sober version of Ted-the-swimmer. As Governor of Taxachusetts he supported abortion on demand, even the demands of 12 year old girls, who only needed a judge’s permission if they didn’t want to tell their parents.

He supported homosexual marriage, and government run health care. Don’t kid yourselves...our choice is between a northeastern, liberal Democrat and a Kenyan Marxist.

That’s not much of a choice.


33 posted on 02/04/2012 8:28:55 AM PST by kjo
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To: Patton@Bastogne

You do realize it’s just a keyboard. Right?


34 posted on 02/04/2012 8:30:18 AM PST by GVnana (Newt 2012 - He Speaks for Us)
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To: COBOL2Java

Agree with you on all those points.


35 posted on 02/04/2012 8:33:00 AM PST by madmaximus (Anyone But Robamney.)
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To: madmaximus

>>So, would you vote for a Muslim, Satanist, Atheist???

I think I made it very clear that I would not vote for a muslim. If I wouldn’t vote for a muslim, then I wouldn’t vote for a satanist. I would vote for a true atheist if his politics were right, but would not vote for an antitheist.

Even though a Mormon is not fully Christian, a devout Mormon is still a person with a good heart that follows a distortion of the truth. That makes him a better person than a politician who is nominally Christian and uses it as a stage prop to “prove” that he’s one of us when he needs a bump in the polls. (Like Clinton)

If you think that Obama = Romney and Muslim = Mormon, then that’s your choice to make. You might even be right. I hope not. I am not prepared to give the keys to the WH to a Kenyan muslim-marxist for another term.


36 posted on 02/04/2012 8:33:23 AM PST by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: Bryanw92

Correction: Mormons are not Christian at all. They are a heretic cult.

I would not trust anyone who believes in the bizarre, freaky and blasphemous delusions that Mormons do, to lead the country in the right direction.


37 posted on 02/04/2012 8:37:17 AM PST by madmaximus (Anyone But Robamney.)
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To: ejonesie22
The Athanasian Creed predates Roman Catholic vs. Protestant reformation by about a thousand years. When the old creeds say "one holy catholic and apostolic Church", they don't mean "the Church of Rome". Which is why the Nicene Creed is part of the liturgy of Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox, Roman Cathololic, Reuthenian Catholic, Anglican, Lutheran, and Presbyterian churches alike.

These ancient creeds define what Christianity is - and Mormonism isn't Christian, because it rejects the divinity of Christ.

That said, that their theology puts them outside of Christianity does not make them evil people, or their presence an affront to Christians. Mormonism may not be Christian, but neither is hatred of Mormons:

Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

1 JOHN 2:8-11

38 posted on 02/04/2012 8:40:28 AM PST by jdege
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To: Bryanw92
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You are playing directly to the MSM plan to re-elect Obama by attacking Romney’s religion with this screed.


Respectfully, I disagree ...

A KEY part of Romney's Campaign Strategy ... along with the GOP E-RINO elites (starting with Bush-41 and Barbara) ... and the Liberal-MSM ...

is to "pronounce" Romney as a "Christian" ...


Their ultimate goals in this 2012 campaign include:

1) Obama's reelection

2) Tea Party destruction

3) "American Christianity" destruction



Despising Obama (The Kenyan) may FORCE me to vote for Willard ... while I vomit outside the voting booth ...

But ... I'm absolutely "sick and tired" of the PATHETIC Catholic and Evangelical Christian SURRENDER response to the Liberal Media's "Romey's a Wonderful Christian" nauseating propaganda ...



I don't know where this is ALL headed ... either as a Born-Again Christian ... or American "Tea Party" patriot ...

but HISTORY has shown us (Christians and American Conservatives) ... over and over again ...

that everytime we stay NICE, POLITE and MOUSEY ...

the Godless Liberals (including Barbara Bush) kick our "polite" butts all the way to Australia ...



If you're an LDS member at Free Republic, I (genuinely) understand your vote for the Archbishop Romney ... and it's a free country ...



However, to "all" the GOP E-RINO elites and the Liberal-MSM ... I'm saying ...

"I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore" ...

Willard Romney is NO MORE a genuine "saved-by-the-Blood-of-Christ" Christian than I'm a hopeful "Celestial God" reigning over the (ficticious) Mormon planet "Kolob" ... with (I presume) a WHOLE HAREM of MULTIPLE WIVES ...



Finally ... As a Christian I find it (very) peculiar that our Pastors and Roman Catholic Priests "lecture" us on the Apostle Paul's "boldness" in speaking-out against the "pagan idolatry" of his day ...

Yet ... these SAME Pastors and Roman Catholic Priests "run away like gutless jackals" to such claims that "Mitt Romney is a Christian" ...

James Dobson (et al) stay PUBLICLY "silent" about either the Anti-Christian "Moslem in the White House" or the Anti-Christian "Mormom running for President" ...




"What Hath God Wrought ?"



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39 posted on 02/04/2012 8:42:40 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

This country DID vote for a practicing muslim.

Wait till the media digs a little and finds out where women stand in mormonism.


40 posted on 02/04/2012 8:50:48 AM PST by Terry Mross ( We need a second party.)
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To: jdege
There is no hatred of Mormons amongst those of us who understand Mormonism.

If I truly hated my brother, I would let him waltz through the gates of hell without nary a word from me. You may want to look in the bible as to verses on false teachings and teachers as well...

As far as the rest, I have been both a Methodist and a Orthodox church member. I find an open heart and loving Christ in both.

41 posted on 02/04/2012 8:53:48 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Bryanw92

They may not murder little girls but they marry them. And I have my beliefs (from experience) of some other sick stuff they do. Now, you can say that’s the “extremist” version of mormonism. Sorta’ like the “extremist” version of islam. mmmmm


42 posted on 02/04/2012 8:55:29 AM PST by Terry Mross ( We need a second party.)
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To: All

Mormons are a CULT plain and Simple, no differant than Scientology.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/episodes/s07e12-all-about-mormons


43 posted on 02/04/2012 9:04:59 AM PST by troy McClure
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To: Patton@Bastogne

not to nit pick but Scientology came after Mormonism....I do not disagree with your fundamental point though


44 posted on 02/04/2012 9:13:38 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Terry Mross

can you enlighten us ?


45 posted on 02/04/2012 9:25:06 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

>>Despising Obama (The Kenyan) may FORCE me to vote for Willard ... while I vomit outside the voting booth ...

I think we’re on the same page on this. I hate the GOP-E for imposing this choice on us and I pray that we stay angry after the election (even if we take the House, Senate, and WH) and start creating a third party that is viable and not just a subset of the GOP. We need to attract working Democrats who don’t beleive in Obama’s vision of godless slavery to the state, as well as Conservative Republicans who are tired of being kept on the plantation while northeast elites choose what is “best” for us.

But on religion, my God lives inside me and I live in Him and no Mormon or Muslim can take that from me.


46 posted on 02/04/2012 9:36:53 AM PST by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: Terry Mross
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"Escape" ... by Carolyn Jessup

Soon to be required reading by a U.S. Voters in the 2012 Presidential Election Campaign ...

This book will be "magically" vaulted to the New York Times best-seller list ...

Ten-Million books will be piurchased by the Obama 2012 Re-Election Campaign ...

Want to order your copy today ?

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======== Except from Amazon.Com Website =============


Escape is undoubtedly one of the most bizarre memoirs you are ever likely to read. It is small wonder that it quickly made its mark on the New York Times list of bestsellers.

Written by Carolyn Jessop, a woman who was born into the Fundamentalist Lattery Day Saints (FLDS), the book describes what it is like to live as part of this cult which is distinctive primarily for its beliefs about polygamy.

The FLDS, which emerged in the 1930s as a fundamentalist offshoot of the Mormon church, holds that God has ordained polygamy and not only that, but that it is a requirement for anyone who wishes to attain the highest level of heaven.

Most men eventually have at least three wives, with more prominent members of the cult holding far more than that. Some of the leaders are believed to have fifty, sixty, or even one hundred wives.

Women are generally placed with husbands at the whim of the cult's leader (who claims to receive divine guidance about which women belong with certain men). There are around 10,000 adherents to this cult living in the United States today.


Jessop was born into a family that eventually had two wives but one that, compared to others in the community, seemed almost normal.

When she was just eighteen, though, she was assigned to become the fourth wife of a fifty-five year old man. While she was married to him he added two more wives and later went on to add five or six more.

Through fifteen years of marriage, Jessop gave birth to eight children. Through her marriage she suffered constant abuse at the hands of her husband, his other wives, and other members of the community.

Though for much of her life she believed the claims of the FLDS religion, she eventually began to see through its hypocrisy and decided that, for the good of herself and her children, she would need to escape from it.


Escape from FLDS is not easy. Their tight-knit communities have immense power and wealth. Even the local police officers are members of the cult and will not support a wife who seeks to emancipate herself or her family. Until Jessop, no woman had managed to escape the clutches of the cult with all of her children. Jessop, though, ran from the cult and fought against it in the courts, eventually winning full custody of her eight children. This was no small victory. In fact, it was worth telling in a book.


While the book is a definite page-turner (as both my wife and I can attest) it is not always easy to read. The descriptions of life in the FLDS are at times horrific. There were several areas that I found particularly interesting.


Jessop is frank (though not vulgar or graphic) in her discussions about sexuality within her plural marriage and well she needs to be, for sex plays a strange but crucial role in these marriages.

Though the women generally hate their husbands, they still want to have sex with him--not for the sake of love or intimacy, but because sex is power. The wife who gains sexual favor with her husband is the wife who can use him to further her own desires. Often these desires pit her against the other wives.

It is an odd situation where wives who hate their husband seek to have sex (which they hate) with their husband (whom they hate) so they can further their hate-filled plans towards each other. So much, then, for the idealized content of "sister wives" that the cult seeks to portray to the world.


This book and its description of life within plural marriage shows that marriage--marriage as given to us in the Bible--serves as protection for women.

When people ignore biblically-ordained marriage, women immediately lose the protection it affords. They quickly become subservient to men.


The women always lose out.


Perhaps the most shocking thing to remember while reading the book is that it takes place in twenty-first century America. This is not fundamentalist Islam in the Middle East; this is not the earliest days of Mormonism.

This is happening in the very heart of America--women are treated like cattle, used to breed children and bought, sold and traded like so many goods. In America. It is almost unbelievable.


While the FLDS is hardly an accurate representation of average religion and bears little resemblance to Christianity or even to Mormonism, this portrayal is increasingly what people think of when they think about religion.

More and more people are becoming convinced that all religion tends towards extremism and a book like this may just fuel those fires. This story is awful to read, but it is written well and is for some reason quite fascinating.



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47 posted on 02/04/2012 9:46:01 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Well, I think your format should be different when presenting this information.
mormonISM is NOT Christianity.
mormonISM teaches a created and progressed christ.
mormonISM teaches a progressed god.
mormonISM is an anti-Christ cult.


48 posted on 02/04/2012 9:51:56 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: ferv888

Even though the formatting is odd, what about the information presented is incorrect?


49 posted on 02/04/2012 9:57:23 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Terry Mross
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"The Mormon Curtain" website ...

http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_womeninmormonism_section1.html



Women in Mormonism

Women in Mormonism are not allowed to hold any priesthood power or major authority positions in the Mormon Church, excluding Relief Society and lower Church callings.

Mormon women are often thought of as second class citizens in Mormonism. Men in Mormonism make all of the desicions from the top hiearchy of the LDS Church from the Prophet down to the Bishops.

Even though women are allowed to run the Relief Society, they must still be responsible to men. All decisions are made by men regardless.




The Perfect Mormon Woman"

There is an obituary for Dantzel White Nelson, wife of apostle Russel M. Nelson, in [the] Salt Lake Tribune that has really set me off!

I don't want to be judgemental of her or the decisions she made any more than I want to judge anyone else. It is the message contained in the article that has triggered old memories and feelings. A few excerpts from the article:

"Nelson died suddenly but peacefully...while holding hands with Russell Nelson, her husband of almost 60 years. [She was 79.]...Though married to a heart surgeon and LDS apostle...she developed no airs, no pretenses, no judgments, no boundaries....

Dantzel had been accepted to the Julliard School of Music in New York, but marriage changed all that....And the babies kept coming. Nine of them. All girls.

But Nelson always knew she would have a boy....Russell M. Nelson Jr. was born on March 21, 1972. In...30 plus years [her neighbor] said she has never seen Dantzel Nelson get angry. Nor complain, even after a five-year bout of cancer and ongoing heart trouble. Nelson went quietly about mothering 10 children, 56 grandchildren, and 14 great-grandchildren....

Given the number of her posterity, Hinckley said, "Dantzel will become a legend to the generations that follow."

I don't wish to detract from all that this amazing woman did for others, but what does it tell Mormon women about what they are valued for?


Marrying young:

Giving up opportunities to develop talents for husband and family

Having 10 children, and continuing to bear children until you get a son

Having NO BOUNDARIES

Never getting angry or complaining

The NUMBER of your posterity




The Role of Women in Mormonism - Very troubling. How did you deal with this as a Mormon?


1. There is no place in the hierarchy for women in the Mormon Church. All women serve under the men. They can never officiate in any ordinance or assist in any way. They cannot even hold their own baby to give it a name and a blessing.


2. No real redress - They have no real voice or redress if it conflicts with a man in authority. Just try it and find out. They might talk big about it, but in reality, it does not exist. Even getting an apology, or acceptance of responsibility from a male is almost always impossible, if a female has been wronged in any way.


3. Secondary to men and even young boys - The position of women in the church is as a "help meet" and and a lot of lip service is given to women's greater "spirituality" however, that is just a way of attempting to make them believe they are as equal and just as important as men. It is a feeble attempt at depreciation by the males to say that women are "more spiritual."


4. Obedience to men never women - In theory the teachings/doctrine makes a grand attempt to make women equal to men.

In reality, there is no equality. Even though the women wear the "holy garment of the priesthood." which means they hold the priesthood, only as a priestess to a male, but do not officiate,just as the men do, and a man cannot be exalted to the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom without a woman her place is secondary and may include other women as Celestial Marriage is Plurality of Wives.

Women are to obey the Lord (obedience is the first law of heaven and earth),obey the Priesthood leadership, obey their husbands as they are the Priesthood holders, and obey male leadership in the home (which, technically can be a 12 year old Deacon- on up), etc.

Now to the crux of the matter: the doctrine of obedience is a higher doctrine than equality. Love, in Mormonism is conditional, based on obedience.

Women are not just second class in Mormonism, they are technically third class -- below the Aaronic Priesthood, which is often their sons!


5. Polygamy as a law of heaven is demeaning - Polygamy is seen as the worse disrespect of women and children and feeds into making women obedient, brood-mare slaves.


6. Role of women as mothers - Women are to be the mothers and the men are are to officiate in the priesthood.

They are told that this is how Heavenly Father wants it. There is some lip service given to the notion that women are "more spiritual" than men and often given some level of appreciation for their "worthiness" by the leaders.


7. Control of her sexuality - Females in the Mormon Church are expected to be chaste which means she is non-sexual unless married in their only accepted fashion.

The general teaching is that she would give up her life to protect her vagina from unwanted intrusion.

A typical male Priesthood leader (father, son, etc) is often heard to say: rather she come home in a pine box than be raped.


8. Men must give approval for a woman to have a "calling" - A woman's husband or father is consulted first before a calling is extended to a female.


9.Confession by females to males - A female is commanded to confess her sins and transgressions to a male - husband, bishop,stake presidency, regional representatives, etc, never the other way around.




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50 posted on 02/04/2012 9:58:01 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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