Posted on 02/05/2012 9:33:38 AM PST by jmaroneps37
You have no support among Conservative leaders.
You have no support from any elected officials.
You, not me, seem to be driven by emotion to use a flimsy legal case as a magic wand against Obama.
The Congress has set and reset the rules, many times, for Citizenship, and the 14th Amendment also plays a role in this matter.
Congress has legislated Citizenship rules for those persons born abroad to one or two Citizen parents.
It was important for the Senate to make clear that McCain was a Natural Born Citizen under those rules.
So, you do believe there are different meanings depending upon circumstance, for a specific term of art used in the Constitution of the United States, and that those different meanings can be legislated on a whim.
You’ll get the government you deserve.
It would be nice, wouldn’t it...
You are SO right about the DC/communism vector. It does look bleak, but we have one thing most doomed civilizations didn’t have: a large, vibrant subset of the population w profound faith in God. The fervent prayers of His people have prevailed in the past, and may well turn the tide in the present circumstances.
Because there was not LEGISLATIVE GUIDANCE at the time of your Court citations!
Because there was not LEGISLATIVE GUIDANCE at the time of your Court citations!
... and you living Constitution progressives are rudderless fools who deserve the oppression you’re witlessly advocating.
“we are going to have to eliminate the socialist school system eventually.”
From your lips.
No. But you do.
I never said that Legislation trumps a Treaty. In fact, a Treaty trumps almost every other form of law.
In other threads, you've said that statutes trump the Constitution and/or the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Constitution:
To: LachlanMinnesota
Look at your own flawed “logic” on the issue. There is NO direct, Constitutional definition of NBC. It is entirely CONSTITUTIONAL, therefore, for CONGRESS to define such terms. Courts, for many years, had to resort to Common Law for a definition of citizenship, itself.Then, legislation was passed by Congress as to what requirements had to be met, to be a Citizen at Birth.
Hamilton shot another founder in a dual. Adams and Jefferson hated each other.
Our Founders, more than likely, disagreed on many citizenship issues.
This is WHY the definition of citizenship was left to Congress.
142 posted on Wed Feb 01 2012 21:14:38 GMT-0800 (PST) by Kansas58
If Congress can change the meanings of words in the Constitution, then they can make the Constitution mean whatever they want. That would enable them to make the Constitution totally irrelevant.
The same logic applies to treaties. So by arguing that Congress has the power to be the final authority regarding the meanings of words, you are in fact claiming that Congress has the power to enact legislation that trumps a treaty.
maybe 5% of the entire country agrees with you on this issue.
Yet? You wish to make ALL of the 5% who disagree with you, somehow, traitors to our Country?
There is nothing liberal or “progressive” about me. I simply object to wastes of time, energy and resources and I object to our troops being given bad advice, by anyone.
Of course, meant to say, “You wish to make all of the 95% who disagree with you, somehow, traitors to their country?”
Nope. Hamilton deloped (intentionally shot to the side).
Burr shot to kill, and did.
Let’s just put this into territory where your own ox might be getting gored by what you’re foolishly advocating.
How do you like the HHS mandates regarding religious medical facilities being required to provide contraceptives?
If you’re incapable of seeing just how what you believe on the one issue goes hand in hand with the other issue, there is no hope for you and you are indeed wasting your time.
But, here you are. You’ll get the government you deserve. Trouble is, I’ll get it too. So, I don’t regard it as a waste of time.
Let’s not forget Lt. Quarels Harris, the guy who allegedly turned FBI informant on the passport breach of Hitlery’s, McCain’s and Barry’s (the important one) passports. Found shot dead in his car.
Gee...did they ever find out who did it? (nah!)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/apr/19/key-witness-in-passport-fraud-case-fatally-shot/
This is exactly what the Founders intended.
I, in principle, agree with you. Let me point out a problem with your position, though.
When the Constitution, or a law, is not unambiguously clear in meaning, somebody has to determine what the true meaning is.
For the most part, that has been the courts.
Do you seriously contend that allowing the courts to interpret the Constitution as they see fit is better than giving such power to Congress?
The voters can completely replace a Congress in 6 years, if they see fit. Replacing the Supreme Court entirely might take 40 or more years.
The courts are the least representative and democratic branch of government. Giving them additional power by allowing them to decide whether a president's election was valid is not a good idea. They're much too powerful already.
... but those definitions can be changed on a whim by legislative fiat, as you’ve advocated regarding specific language contained within Article II.
Right? That is what you’ve strenously maintained throughout this exchange.
Do you have any unproductive economic units in your circle of family or friends? They’re about to be denied healthcare, under socialized medicine brought in under another definition altered by legislative fiat.
Understand just what you have wrought as a living Constitution progressive, Kansas58.
And yet you spend an inordinate amount of time on these threads spewing the same ol nonsense.
Hmmm....
I think that's more workable than it will sound to most people. Most Socialist teachings are readily identified, and they must only be taught in the sense of their having been thoroughly and historically discredited in many countries' experimental "dabblings" therewith, having been shown every time to lead to horrendous outcomes for those countries and most of their citizenry, while a self-appointed elite enriched themselves and their cronies from the public till.
For the foreseeable future, only approved text books in Social Studies, History and Government should be allowed.
Administrators and teachers must be retrained to eliminate any positive association with Socialist/Communist teachings. The unwilling and recalcitrant in these regards should be fired with no benefits.
HF
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