Posted on 02/18/2012 2:02:47 PM PST by Mariner
In an election year that was supposed to be all about getting the country out of its economic doldrums, social values – mainly having to do with sex – have intruded big time. Largely, but not exclusively, it’s the realm of Rick Santorum.
In some cases (birth control vs. religious beliefs), they’ve taken firm root in the presidential election. In others (abortion and same-sex marriage), they lurk about the periphery – likely to inject themselves more deeply as the nominating process sorts itself out.
President Obama’s policy move requiring schools, hospitals, and other religious institutions to provide birth control to employees – even though it was adjusted to make insurance companies and not the institutions themselves responsible – continues to gain political traction left and right.
To conservatives, it’s all about government intrusion into religious beliefs and practices. To liberals, it’s about personal choice and women’s rights in the most private of issues.
Rick Santorum: Top 7 culture war moments
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I think that ticket would garner the support of most Social Conservatives.
“Brother Love’s Traveling Salvation Show” is all about the social issues.
Just what WAS my attack on Santorum? That I believe him to be unelectable in the General Election due to his stance on Social Issues and his inability to turn that debate?
And just what is it I'm suspected of? An opposition to those who would use the power of the Federal Government to work against the states' decisions in areas clearly within their Constitutional authority?
Is that now un-American activity?
Rick Santorum will never be president for a whole host of reasons. I am not a hater, and I will vote for the man if I have to. Listen, Rick has yet to explain away his 18 point loss in his last Senate re-election bid. Saying it was a bad year for republicans is not enough. Many incumbents won that year, and no setting senator took a loss like he did. There were valid reasons that he would lose and badly, but not that badly. Could it be that the voters were just tired of him? I am. Like I said I am no hater, I just would really like to win. I am not going to vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. And I will vote for Mr. Santorum if pressed, but the man that can win and articulate our message is Newt Gingrich.
Godspeed Newt Gingrich.
Okay, we get it. You think conservatism is a liability to a candidate.
What you need to do is stop listening to the Lamestream Media, especially the liberally slanted bilge of a pagan rag like the “christian” “science” Monitor, and their fake polls and understand that conservatism ALWAYS wins when given the chance. The liberals don’t even really believe their OWN polls, if you grill them on it. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be fighting tooth and nail against allowing citizens to vote on critical issues: marriage, voter I.D., right-to-work, and abortion restrictions. Ask yourself why.
You ARE a Rick hater. I don't have to go any further than peruse your brief 12 day posting history to see a trend for bashing Rick at every turn. I am curious if you are working for Newts campaign? I find a lot of election year sign ons to be campaign operatives here to stir up trouble by bashing opponants with irrelevant issues such as the '06 loss.
Look you should be concerned that Santorum lost by 18. No problem there. But you should also try to understand why. Number 1, a 106% of Philadelphia voters voted that year. Thats right, more votes than registered voters. Second, it was a piss poor year for republicans everywhere. Third, Pennsylvania had been trending left for some time. Bush lost there twice and a Republican POTUS had not won in Pa since 1988. So Santorum was running and winning in a left leaning state for years. Nobody seems to appreciate tha fact.
But most importantly Santorum was running against the son perhaps the most beloved politician in Pa history, Bob Casey a pro life, pro gun democrat. He didn’t have a prayer of coming close that year.
I am not a Rick Santorum hater. Geez, you guys see demons behind every bush. NO, his electability did not go out the window since he started winning. I SAID I WILL VOTE FOR HIM. GET IT!! There are reasons he lost so badly, and I am beginning to see why. Many Santorum backers have not vetted him. They know he is a good Christian man with a good Marriage. That is great. He is pro-life (really) and that is even better. He is a national security conservative which makes me love him. He is NOT fiscal conservative which I can live with. Not many are. But he, IN MY OPINION, does not have the political charisma and voice to when a national election. I am going to vote for him if he is the nominee out of desperation. Not a good sign. YES, he does need to explain his loss in PA. Could be, he might have the same problems in the general. Gee, I don’t know, is that so hard to understand.
I am not a Rick Santorum hater. Geez, you guys see demons behind every bush. NO, his electability did not go out the window since he started winning. I SAID I WILL VOTE FOR HIM. GET IT!! There are reasons he lost so badly, and I am beginning to see why. Many Santorum backers have not vetted him. They know he is a good Christian man with a good Marriage. That is great. He is pro-life (really) and that is even better. He is a national security conservative which makes me love him. He is NOT fiscal conservative which I can live with. Not many are. But he, IN MY OPINION, does not have the political charisma and voice to win a national election. I am going to vote for him if he is the nominee out of desperation. Not a good sign. YES, he does need to explain his loss in PA. Could be, he might have the same problems in the general. Gee, I don’t know, is that so hard to understand.
18 POINTS, Sorry not satisfied yet. Do you know how hard it is to lose by 18 points? NO sitting incumbent lost by more than 10 in a very bad year. Somehow, someone found some stuff that made it hard for him to win. I would like to know what that is. NO, I am not satisfied at this point. I think there is a possiblity that the voters soured on him. WHY? That is all, why? It would be good to know before we send him up against Obama, don’t you think. I know this is easy for you, but not for me. This election is too important.
I don't believe that at all. But I do believe that CNN's Tuesday poll showing Romney leading Santorum with GOP women by 9 points is worthy of discussion.
Santorum can't resist, due to his committed zeal, from addressing Social Issues even when the majority of Americans want to hear about fiscal, economic and National Security issues.
Santorum is a good man, but he's not a winner in my opinion.
I don’t think it is headed that way.
I could vote for Newt or Rick. I won’t slam either one since they seem to be our most conservative alternatives at this point.
If I have to, I will vote for Romney in the general. I will not help obama by not voting in the general.
I don ‘ t care if you’re satisfied or not truth be told. What I do know is that you are woefully ill informed and if you support either Romney or Newt you are supporting a guy who favored individual mandates with penalties under law for failing to comply with the unconstitutional dictates from the fedguv. And they supported it for decades. So spare me the balogna.
Why? It is fully irrelevant. As for your other silly charge, he has been vetted. I live in PA and the Rats tried to tar him as hard as they could. All they could come up with was a phoney residency issue in relationship to home schooling his kids. It failed. They ran a Conservative PA legacy against him. PA is a Rat state and people loved Casey's father. Casey has shown he lied about his Conservative values and he will lose this cycle. Rick also lost because it was a lousy year for the GOP. He was tarred with supporting Bush and the war in a Blue state. That alone was hard to fight. Many people lost that year. We lost control of congress for crying out loud. You can hear him say all this in his own words if you would bother to look into the 3 million times he has been asked about this.
If you want people like me to not think you are a plant, maybe you should try commenting on the other topics here on FR and not just troll Rick related threads and basically cut and paste the same slam over and over.
I never said you had.
You do need to care if I am satisfied. Because I represent an awful lot of people. If you don’t take their concerns seriously then you are not helping your candidate win. The individual mandate came from a conservative think tank, the Heritage Foundation, and was offered as on alternative to Hillary Care. Originally it was a conservative idea. That is it’s history whether you like it or not. Newt is not for an individual mandate. He understand now that it is unconstitutional. Rick needs to tell us what he is far, and let the other candidates explain their positions. I will listen to him and YOU. But you can not jump to the conclusion that I am unsincere when trying to honestly vet you candidate.
Never mind, if you don’t get it you don’t get it. God bless and good night.
I have made no decisions about the general. Too much can happen between now and then. I most definitely will vote for 'conservatives' for Congress, which to me at this point is the only place where the practice of 'social justice' can or will be stopped. I do believe with all my 'soul' that God is in control and the person that fits His plan will be who ends up at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
I consider it my duty to learn who the people are that want/need my vote to fulfill their life's dream. I look to their motives as much as their character in how they treat themselves, their families, and their constituents. I know very well none have walked this earth without sin. Seems that only Newt has been willing to acknowledge that reality. God is judge and there is a difference in an individual sin and sin that causes a nation to sin.
“I don’t believe that at all. But I do believe that CNN’s Tuesday poll showing Romney leading Santorum with GOP women by 9 points is worthy of discussion.”
Because they are more liberal and have no problem with Romneycare.
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