Posted on 03/03/2012 7:02:42 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
Just a day after Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Apaio presented proof the birth certificate presented by Barack Obama as proof he meets Constitutional eligibility to be president is a fraud, we have a story coming out of Hawaii that may provide problems for Obama.
Jerome Corsi writes:
Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.
“During the course of my employment,” Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1 and part 2), “I became aware that many requests were being made to the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division, the Hawaii Office of Elections, and the Hawaii Department of Health from around the country to obtain a copy of then-Senator Barack Obama’s long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate.”
As he inquired about the birth certificate, he says, his supervisors told him that the records were not on file at the Hawaii Department of Health.
“Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health,” Adams’ affidavit reads, “and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government.”
I'm still waiting for your answer.
Who attested to what, and when. Please be specific.
And yet his eligibility is based on his say-so, and his rigid control of the proof which he won't let anyone see.
Seems to me the eligibility issue is highly dependent on the Honesty issue, and we know he's a self serving liar.
You don't see the irony in this?
Here is where you tried to answer me the first time...
@174
Here is where you tried the second time...
@178
Here is where I showed you that what you were talking about applied to mail, not a SSS card @184.
You avoided answering me by putting up some completely inapplicable and irrelevant to the issue at hand BS.
So even now you're lying and, unlike you, I can prove you're lying.
And yet you have failed completely to show me the laws pertaining to what kind of date stamp a SSS card had to have.
If there was no specific requirement, then using any old date stamp that the post office had would make perfect sense.
You have also ignored the two times I told you what might have happened to the 19:
1. An old stamp where the 19 fell out.
2. An old stamp where the 19 was too recessed to be properly inked.
So - what was the specific legal requirement for date stamps on SSS cards? You seem so certain - you must have proof.
No. It is also based on the say so of officials from the state of Hawaii.
It is also based on the absolute failure of the birthers to make a compelling argument that would stand up in a court of law.
Face it - if birthers had their act together, it is completely irrelevant what Obama says and does. An official investigation by law enforcement can compel all the evidence they need. Yet birthers can’t seem to convince anyone of significance that they have anything that might justify such an investigation.
My suggestion would be to look at the public face of birtherism: A professional poker player with no legal experience; a dentist with a law degree from an online law school recognized in only one state; a “journalist” with a proven history of peddling any conspiracy theory he thinks will make him money; and the publisher of a tabloid web site that makes the National Enquirer look rational.
You want to be taken seriously? Then get some serious spokespeople.
Besides, if you are so worried about it then you go find them and prove everybody wrong. That is what you should be doing.
You have also ignored the two times I told you what might have happened to the 19:
1. An old stamp where the 19 fell out.
2. An old stamp where the 19 was too recessed to be properly inked.
If you had bothered to look at the video you would see that the year is one whole piece, not two.
All you're doing is trying to find a plausible lie...and that ain't it.
1. An old stamp where the 19 fell out.
2. An old stamp where the 19 was too recessed to be properly inked.
Back in 1980 there was a plan afoot to take some random "yute" off of the street and deliberately screw up his SSS card to help propel him to the office of POTUS.
No wonder workers have been "going postal" all these years! Their plans were being thwarted.
/sarcasm
1. It is also possible that you can’t find them because they don’t exist.
Right now you cannot say that the SSS card HAD to have a 4 digit date.
2. And once again - you cannot show that every date stamp in every post office was the same.
Since it was a USPO stamp it was created by a stamp that now would be at least 40 years old - probably older. Was the posse demonstrating a 40 year old date stamp? No - they were not. So they proved nothing.
And you still haven’t addressed this issue: The posse says the forgers took a 2008 date stamp and manipulated it. How is that possible when the stamp on the card clearly says USPO and there were no USPO stamps in 2008? The USPO became the USPS in 1970 - a 2008 date stamp would say USPS, NOT USPO.
hey ds the year stamp had a one piece 4 digit year how could half of it fall out unless it was cut? same with being recessed...if it was worn it would have shown wear marks...it didnt..you loose again.
obot troll
They demonstrated a modern date stamp. The stamp on the SSS card says USPO which means it is more than 40 years old. It could be much older in fact.
So if the posse did not look at old USPO stamps and have shown that they have a one piece 4 digit year then we have a problem with their conclusion.
And it also raises another issue: the posse says that the forger manipulated a 2008 date stamp. Since the stamp clearly says USPO and the USPO became the USPS in 1970, how is it possible to have a 2008 date stamp with USPO? Shouldn’t that 2008 date stamp say USPS?
Who attested to what, and when. Please be specific.
Here is the official letter from the Hawaiian Director of Health.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-correspondence.pdf
Most people see that and understand that the state of Hawaii is attesting to the accuracy of the BC. I am sure you see it differently.
Right now you cannot say that the SSS card HAD to have a 4 digit date.
Right now you cannot show that the SSS card DIDN'T have to have a 4 digit date.
I can play your game too.
And once again - you cannot show that every date stamp in every post office was the same.
You mean the government doesn't procure all of it's equipment of a like kind from one supplier?
For the rest of your asinine reply I once again suggest you go watch the video and try to do a little critical thinking instead of exposing the fact that you're incapable of doing so.
Did he name his supervisors? Is his signing on video?
If I were him I’d not buy any green bananas...
you have been asked before to look at the evidence and it has been pointed out to you that 17 different SSS forms had 4 year date stamps including the same po as obamas supposed sss registration you are nothing but a disrupter. your pal Dr C requested people send him rds stamped postmarks with only two digit year -did he get any?
Saturday, March 03, 2012 1:54:46 PM · 95 of 105
rolling_stone to Harlan1196
...If he was writing a book all that time, how could he have been honestly and fairly evaluating all the facts?....
You haven’t evaluated the facts they presented, why should I listen to you? Always attacking the messenger not the message...typical liberal BS Show me where they are wrong, start with his Selective Service Registration, show me two legitimate Postal Service or USPO RDS (round date stamps) with only two of the 4 digits for the year and centered properly. I have seen hundreds of RDS postmarked items and can’t recall one with only the last two digits of the year. I talked to several postal clerks and they all use 4 digit stamps. I have talked to several stamp collectors with the same results, and they have hundreds of cancelled letter/postcards. Get a RDS and duplicate 2 digit year stamp for “80”
How many selective service postmarks have been seen to have only 4 digit year stamps?
.....Last week Sonoran News received a response to a FOIA request for 17 SS records for the purpose of making comparisons.
Every single one of them has a four-digit year stamp, including two registrations processed at the very same post office, one within days of Obama’s. ....
http://www.sonorannews.com/archives/2010/100303/webonlyObama.html
Get off your butt and do some research
http://www.postalmuseum.si.edu/exhibits/2_current.html
go back to DR. Conspiracy and drink some more kool-aid you are getting laughed at here.
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He was born in Vancouver, Canada, most likely. In the 1960s that is where “girls in trouble” from Seattle went, to unwed mother’s homes, and then gave up their babies for adoption.
Most especially in 1961 when a white teen gave birth to a black baby.
Stanley Ann changed her mind.
Ok - I guess we will have to see how this all plays out.
I suspect it goes nowhere.
Hawaii is talking about a copy of a birth certificate, however even if they had a real one and gave it to Obamas Attorney, did the WH post the same BC on the internet? Its called chain of custody...Do you have a sworn statement from Obamas attorney that the BC given to them by Hawaii is the same one on the internet and did they account for every change of hands ?
KISS why doesn’t Obama just present his “original” certified copy BC to a court of law? What is he afraid of what is he hiding?
So Hawaii gave Obama a real BC and he posted a forgery? Good luck with that theory. Hawaii has consistently said Obama was born in Hawaii - what fact on the BC do you think he is hiding?
As for taking a BC to court, I would venture two reasons:
1. No court has asked for one nor are courts there for the purpose of validating documents unless it pertains to an actual case.
2. He is hoping one of the Republican candidates for President is stupid enough to bring the issue up.
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