saying they could not authenticate copies - they needed originals.
Posted on 03/03/2012 7:02:42 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
Just a day after Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Apaio presented proof the birth certificate presented by Barack Obama as proof he meets Constitutional eligibility to be president is a fraud, we have a story coming out of Hawaii that may provide problems for Obama.
Jerome Corsi writes:
Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.
“During the course of my employment,” Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1 and part 2), “I became aware that many requests were being made to the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division, the Hawaii Office of Elections, and the Hawaii Department of Health from around the country to obtain a copy of then-Senator Barack Obama’s long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate.”
As he inquired about the birth certificate, he says, his supervisors told him that the records were not on file at the Hawaii Department of Health.
“Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health,” Adams’ affidavit reads, “and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government.”
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None - birther lawyers are too incompetent to advance a law suit that far.
The CCP said they did not need an original document to show signs of forgery. An electronic pdf was adequate. Do you think that is true?
Do you think that is true?
You need to first establish what you assert is true before someone can agree or disagree.
For the sake of honesty...
The second link is to my post, post 226. However that post contains the whole of the the post being replied to, Harlan1196’s post 223, which is the one I should have linked to.
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.
How can the CCP investigation be legitimate if you need an original to detect forgery? No document expert would do what they did so why should we accept their conclusion? Especially with their known bias?
The public was directed to the pdf because they also read the supporting documentation from Hawaii that was posted with it and also read the press reports from Hawaii.
Most people would not then indulge in Clintonesque parsing of words to reach the conclusion that the WH altered the BC that Hawaii sent and posted a forgery.
If the content was changed then how can forgery be suggested if there is no original to compare it to?
If the content was changed then how can forgery be suggested if there is no original to compare it to?
ROFLMAO what did you do in the Navy, logic apparently wasn’t needed in your job.
You would be more persuasive if you omitted the adjectives, e.g. “birther”. The word is partisan, emotional rather than an appeal to reason, and damages your credibility.
This is a quote from the lead investigator about the pdf BC:
“The document is far too problematic to discuss in one press conference. The entire document is fraudulent.”
What do you think they mean by that?
In this case an original paper copy. Go back and actually read their arguments and it will make sense.
Remember what process they are saying could not have happened.
It’s actually from a birther web site so you know it is true.
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-phoenix/cold-case-posse-reveals-obama-s-documents-are-forgeries
Do you contend that an original is required to make this determination?
What do you think they mean by that?
I think what Zullo said speaks for itself. The pdf file was altered so badly and so often that it couldn't be much more than fraudulent.
Just my opinion and your mileage may vary. (JMO...YMMV)
It could even be worse than that!
Do you believe that "The Great OmniPOTUS" actually posted that pdf file himself or did it pass through the hands of some flunky three or four times before it made its way onto the Internet?
A jet flight out of Kenya either to Hawaii or Washington state in the time frame given is possible. It is also possible Obama had a different birth date than the one given/recorded by Hawaii records. There are too many dots to be connected for me to dismiss a Kenyan birth by Obama.
The best way to check would be to compare the electronic copy to the original - right?
They can’t tell you what elements of the electronic document are real and which are fake - so why should we believe that any of it is fake?
Applying your theory, detecting a counterfeit dollar bill is impossible without comparing it to the plates.
Yet bills are routinely tested to determine if they are counterfeit, and the test does not refer to the plates.
And we know that you are never condescending or insulting, right?
What a hypocrite.
Rule #1 for digging holes...stop digging!
If you are going to say that the electronic copy is not the same as the purported scanned original you need the original. That is what they are saying. How can you say that without never seeing the original?
They are pointing to software artifacts created by first scanning and then converting the document to a pdf and saying there was never a scanned original to start with. That is pure BS. That is Jerome Corsi’s book from a year ago recycled as an “investigation”.
So it is not really bad behavior just reserved for certain people? Got it.
The hole digging thing is funny - if you are nice I will help pull you out of the massive pit you are in when November rolls around and Obama is on the ballot in every state. We can then work together to defeat him in the general election.
Got it.
Maybe and maybe not, but you'll eventually 'get it' one way or another.
@In The Air Tonight
Second verse, first line.
So why should anyone rely on it?
Exactly my point - since they have zero evidentiary value how can the CCP use one as evidence of fraud?
And no one has used the BC on the white house web site for anything more than informing the general public - how else do you show your BC to millions of Americans?
Obama has never used the pdf copy of his BC for any legal purpose so what’s the big deal? He didn’t use it in Arizona to get on the ballot, for example, so no legal issues there.
Good thing I don’t take it personally. I like it here and look forward to these exchanges for the foreseeable future.
‘get it’ one way or another? Have you ever left the school yard? Haven’t heard talk like that since I was 10. No wonder your threats come across as hollow and meaningless.
You even know it and admit it...for the foreseeable future.
I would say that you even want it.
Now you’re just being ridiculous.
Thanks for playing. We’ll buy you a bus ticket home.
Jablonski sent a copy of the long and short form to Kemp in his protest letter.
If you can stay here as insulting and rude as you are, I don’t think I have anything to worry about.
I won’t be zotted for disagreeing with you. You are the only person I have these long exchanges with. The others don’t seem to obsess about it or get upset about it like you do.
Nice talking to you. Have a good evening.
I won’t be zotted for disagreeing with you.
It's not disagreeing with people that will get you zotted.
(for a newbie you sure seemed to have learned rather quickly about getting the ZOT)
The others don’t seem to obsess about it or get upset about it like you do.
Ahhh, you're beginning to see the light. I'm rather unique, aren't I.
I don't pigeonhole easily and that seems to drive you crazy.
I'll be sure and ping you tomorrow so you can address this...
Obama has never used the pdf copy of his BC for any legal purpose so what’s the big deal?
LIE!
Jablonski sent a copy of the long and short form to Kemp in his protest letter.
And it would appear that the SoS accepted them. Looks like Kemp doesn’t agree with the birthers - what a shock.
You know the real reason he was sent those copies? It was to force him to choose between accepting them as real or supporting the birthers. A come to Jesus moment so to speak. Politics is a dirty business and the Chicago crowd are the dirtiest around.
But you don’t drive me crazy. You are a good adversary - I win some and I lose some but it is always interesting. Thanks.
Well then since you’re still here address your lie in reply 331.
By “we” he must mean either his fellow fogblowers or the administration “social media” propanda trolls he works with.
I also believe that poster Harlan1196 is in fact an Obot as you suggest.
DiogenesLamp argues that based on the poster’s alleged conservative opinions on other topics in the past, he is not.
In the spy world it is important to establish a credible persona that allows the infiltrator to be accepted.
Therefore an aspiring Obot would likely strive to appear conservative an all other things of lesser importance.
These topics might be standard boilerplate issues like abortion, socialized medicine, gun control etc.
However, the most important issue to Obama has to be that his work so far be preserved. If he is removed from office for the frauds and felonies he as committed he will have lost it all, up to and including ObamaCare, two socialists on the Supreme Court and every other bill he signed into law. All would be nullified. It would be a major catastrophe for the Left. This is why Obots like Harlan are sent out to ridicule, persuade, cajole, defame and demoralize conservatives as “Birthers”... to make anyone “ashamed” to even think “Birther” thoughts.
Notice all the classical Alinsky tactics he uses in his responses. In particular ridicule, name calling, and “shaming”.
Note also the sheer amount of time and energy he expends on this and similar threads defending Obama. I believe he must be paid well by his handlers for his considerable effort.
Of course we also can look at his FR home page where he sets up a convincing past. But the recent sign-up date is a red flashing light.
Poster El Sordo may also be an Obot, although his sign-up date is much earlier. But then how do we know this the original Sordo? Maybe his account was hacked or sold (Soros has lots of money and everyone has a price). Maybe Sordo changed his ideology... it happens. Look at the case of Barry Goldwater, or David Brock.
It is also possible that some of the Obots are not conscious agents but dupes, i.e. actual conservatives who have been Alinskyized by shame, ridicule and peer pressure from liberal friend and relatives, etc.
And it would appear that the SoS accepted them. Looks like Kemp doesn’t agree with the birthers - what a shock.
You know the real reason he was sent those copies? It was to force him to choose between accepting them as real or supporting the birthers. A come to Jesus moment so to speak. Politics is a dirty business and the Chicago crowd are the dirtiest around.
Obama has never used the pdf copy of his BC for any legal purpose so what’s the big deal?
You took your usual "off into a tangent" tactic.
A come to Jesus moment so to speak. Politics is a dirty business and the Chicago crowd are the dirtiest around.
You make it sound like he was threatened into compliance.
Speaking of threats...
No wonder your threats come across as hollow and meaningless.
Where have I threatened you?
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