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Why gas is going to $10 per gallon
Trainorders.com ^ | March 4, 2012 | Ed Ellis

Posted on 03/04/2012 1:22:41 PM PST by CedarDave

There has been a good discussion on the All Aboard group about gas prices, and this is my point of view. It's long....

The single biggest factor is China, and the free market. Very little is related to politics (either red or blue), the oil companies or Iran. Here’s a simple fact: The Chinese are buying about 20 million new cars a year. Those cars replace bicycles, or carts, not other cars. They represent new consumption of oil. If you look at the International Energy Agency Oil Market Report for February ( www.omrpublic.iea.org/currentissues/full.pdf ) you will see that demand for the developed (OECD) world will be down 2.6% this year while demand for the rest of world will be up 2.8%. China, up 3.9% this year, will drive the non-OECD growth. So this means that every gallon of gas you don’t buy is replaced by a gallon of gas bought somewhere else in the world. Demand is going up even if US vehicle-miles-traveled peaked in 2007 and will continue to go down this year.

But supply isn’t going up. Production is around 90.2 million barrels a day, and either production has to grow by 800,000 barrels a day this year, or demand won’t be met. Unless the price goes up. Of course, US crude oil production is growing again, after years of decline, thanks to the frenetic drilling in the Bakken and Permian. US crude production should increase by 250,000 barrels a day this year. But it’s expensive oil. It can take up to $1 million in frac sand to frac a single well in the Permian. And it’s getting more expensive to produce oil in fields around the world. And even with that it’s hard to move the needle on production.

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To: achilles2000
Thats the way I feel as well.

I hate the thought of $10 gal., but whatever the hell it takes to get that Mulotto jackass out of our HOUSE and take all his minority minions with him. It can't come soon enough, and I hate wishing my life away.

This will hurt many of you, and I really hate that, makes me sick as I have children who still have to drive a long way to work (and back).

I'm sorry this has come to this, but is showdown time, if it will free this Country from ALL LIBERAL SOCIALIST FOREVER, I am ready to do whatever is necessary to see that happen.

Our founding fathers who fought the REV war and led us to victory, did the same. They risked the LIFE & FORTUNE to the cause. They held back nothing, some burning their own properties so the Brits could not use it. Inject SOCIALIST for Brits and you see the bigger picture & what it may take today.

It is us (U.S.) or them, let's make it THEM at all costs.

21 posted on 03/04/2012 2:20:16 PM PST by annieokie
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To: CedarDave

Because Ken Lay is not dead and is a futures speculator?


22 posted on 03/04/2012 2:28:55 PM PST by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: CedarDave

China can’t afford $10 gas anymore than we can. Won’t happen anytime soon.


23 posted on 03/04/2012 2:51:41 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: Michael Barnes
People will buy far less and the price will steadily rise the coming weeks and people will literally be too broke to buy fuel to heat their home in the dead of winter.

Hardest hit? New England, upper Eastern Seaboard, Northern West Coast states, Minnesota. All liberal hotbeds. We had an expression when I lived in TX: Let 'em freeze in the dark.

Of course, I think that's a little cruel to the good folks of those states, but they are the places that give us the lefty moonbats.

24 posted on 03/04/2012 2:51:48 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: Oatka

Great...now we will be like the “Road Warrior”. Puling up to car wrecks with a spring loaded center punch to salvage gas.
Hope everyone got their “Police Specials”.


25 posted on 03/04/2012 2:52:00 PM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Michael Barnes

Obamalini’s adminsitration is killing lots of people today through promoting abortion, injecting a culture of death into the general medical system, etc.

While I think that the people you worry about would not die, they would be miserable. In any event, many of them voted for that dope and “change”, and they deserve to get it (the “change”) good and hard.


26 posted on 03/04/2012 3:00:10 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Sequoyah101

“China can’t afford $10 gas anymore than we can. Won’t happen anytime soon.”

Actually, this can happen, if the dollar is severely devalued...


27 posted on 03/04/2012 3:00:57 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: null and void

Nice!


28 posted on 03/04/2012 3:04:50 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Yorlik803

I have a locking gas cap on my work truck, I deliver auto parts. Mine is the only one that has it. I just got a 1999 Blazer and my check engine light comes on, I ran a scan and it seems to be the gas cap, I might buy one for my truck too.


29 posted on 03/04/2012 3:17:08 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Send Obama back to the ghetto, November 6th.)
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To: CedarDave

What, me worry?
I have not had or needed a car since I left the USSA
8 years ago.


30 posted on 03/04/2012 3:19:50 PM PST by AlexW
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To: napscoordinator

I work 80 miles from home (that’s a 160 mile round trip). No work anywhere else. I actually bought a Prius and it is helping some, but if it goes to $10.00 a barrel, even that isn’t going to help much.


31 posted on 03/04/2012 3:28:09 PM PST by freepertoo
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To: achilles2000

I truly believe obama will have a good chance of winning even if gas is $10 a gallon. People actually worship him and will vote for him no matter what.


32 posted on 03/04/2012 3:28:27 PM PST by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." - Peter Griffin)
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To: Rashputin

Dangit! You’re right.


33 posted on 03/04/2012 3:28:59 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: CedarDave
The author brings up some very good points -- the following, however, is a big clunker.

compressed natural gas as an alternative, so I did some research. It would cost almost $4 trillion to convert the US to compressed natural gas for transportation. If natural gas is the equivalent of $2 per gallon, that means a total cost, net present value, of about $10-12 per gallon when you factor in the conversion.

We don't need to convert the entire fleet; that's a red herring. If we converted just, say, 10%, of our vehicles, the marginal drop in oil consumption would be significant.

And he is slightly skeptical about the technological improvements that can increase the oil supply even more than we think possible now.

34 posted on 03/04/2012 4:22:00 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Leftists’ new fighting chant... 10 bucks, 10 bucks 10 bucks per (gal.) can, If Obama can’t do it, Nobody can! Rah! Rah!Soon 999 will have a whole different meaning!

Seriously, we have so much oil and natural gas available for drilling and refining but much is being held back by current US government policies. As has been stated by many, offshore oil and gas, oil and gas locked up on federal lands in the west and north slope Alaska, and oil from Canada.

35 posted on 03/04/2012 4:30:24 PM PST by CedarDave (Donna Brazile: "... we we believe that the weakest candidate ... [is] Mitt Romney.")
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To: BfloGuy

If the current nat gas / diesel price relationship continues or gets even more favorable, you’ll see truck fleets that operate out of a “home base” start switching to nat gas next year.

The economics are too favorable to miss out on.


36 posted on 03/04/2012 4:31:03 PM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: achilles2000
That aside, I would welcome $10 gas for August, September, and October because it would be the end of Obamalini’s regime no matter how much the MSM shills for him...

Amen, brother!

37 posted on 03/04/2012 4:54:00 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopaths.)
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To: Nowhere Man

I remember gas lines and even /odd days. The old timers at the gas station I worked at in the 1980s told me that they had a PA state trooper there to enforce the rules. And that fights broke out.
Gotta love democrats. They always make bad things worse.


38 posted on 03/04/2012 5:05:31 PM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Yorlik803
I remember gas lines and even /odd days. The old timers at the gas station I worked at in the 1980s told me that they had a PA state trooper there to enforce the rules. And that fights broke out.
Gotta love democrats. They always make bad things worse.


I remember those too, what part of PA did/do you live in? I live near Pittsburgh. I remember one time I spent a night or two over at my grandmothers and to save gas, Mom let me stay a few more days over there.
39 posted on 03/04/2012 6:19:20 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Send Obama back to the ghetto, November 6th.)
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To: CedarDave

Drill ANWR.


40 posted on 03/04/2012 6:27:16 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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