Posted on 05/11/2012 6:10:55 PM PDT by Manic_Episode
Is it a sin to vote for Mitt Romney?
Well first off if you're not a Christian don't bother reading any further. This does not apply to you and your comments/scoffs) are not solicited. Leave now.
For those of you who are saved by the blood of The Lamb and are disciples of The Lord Jesus Christ I would ask you to consider the following:
Gods Criminal Justice System VS Mans Criminal Justice System
Here in the USA when we run afoul of the law we are presumed innocent until proven guilty.
In Gods system we are guilty until proven innocent,
Romans 3:23 "for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". (emphasis mine)
ALL have sinned. Not some, not my neighbor, but ME and YOU. ALL. We are guilty, you and I.
In the criminal justice system of the United States the punishment has to fit the crime. In many countries around the world today Sharia Law requires that a thief's hand be cut off if caught for stealing. This seems harsh and brutal compared to the offense. We have the death penalty here in the USA but you have to do something really bad to be sentenced to die.
In Gods criminal justice system we are all guilty and sentenced to death. Done deal. It has already happened whether you know it or not:
Romans 6:23 says "For the wages of sin is death,"
So we all have sinned and the wage of that sin is death. Does the penalty fit the crime? Is this fair and just?
Absolutely! God is all about justice, kindness and righteousness.
Jeremiah 9:24
24 but let him who boasts boast about this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight," declares the LORD.
So under Gods criminal justice system one can incur the death penalty for lying? That is just? The punishment fits the crime?
Yes. First of all, I, for one, have committed WAY more than just tell a fib. After all, sin is breaking one of the Ten Commandments. I am a serial offender. I am a sinner. No two ways around it. When it comes to keeping Gods commands I am a complete failure. I am bankrupt.
Understand that Gods Holiness is so great and awesome and unfathomable that it cannot be defiled by our sin and justice DEMANDS that sin be cast out of Gods presence.
The best we can come up with, our very best efforts we can muster when we try as hard as we possibly can, God refers to these as "filthy rags",
Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;
The literal translation of "filthy rags" is even worse than it sounds. Try "menstruous rags" on for size. Ok, some of you are trying them on for size in real life, you know what I'm talking about. Gross.
Our best works are disgusting to God. More of Gods so called justice? Yes, when you understand His holy nature, yes indeed.
Interesting thing about Gods Justice system; He is quite reasonable in that He sets a certain price for our penalty and accepts that price from whoever can afford it.
That price is our very life, but if someone could afford to pay it off for us God would accept it.
It is such a high price that I could not afford to pay for my kids penalty because I am in debt for my own sin, but what if someone came along who could afford to pay my dept? Someone who had not incurred their own death penalty. Someone who was sinless and loved me enough to pay for my sin with their innocent life? God would and does accept that payment.
This is Gods criminal justice system: John 3:16
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
1 John 5:11-12
11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
Jesus, I accept you as my Savior and my Lord. Thank you for loving me and for paying my way. I am in your debt forever.
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Gods Criminal Justice System VS Mans Criminal Justice System Part 2
Here in the US someone can be convicted of murder without ever having actually killed anyone, but because they were "in on it" they are guilty of conspiracy to commit murder.
In order to be guilty of conspiracy to commit murder a prosecutor must prove 3 elements to gain a conviction.
1.) The defendant intended to agree and did agree with someone to commit murder;
2.) At the time of the agreement, the defendant and [one or more of] the other alleged member[s] of the conspiracy intended that one or more of them would commit murder;
3.) (The/One of the) defendant[s] of coparticipant[s] or (both/ all) of them] committed [at least one of] the overt act[s] alleged to accomplish the murder;
Examples of this crime would be hiring a hitman. The person paying for the murder is just as guilty as the hitman.
Charles Manson claims he never killed anyone but he has been in prison for nearly 40 years for conspiracy.
WHEN SYSTEMS COLLIDE
Abortion is a perfectly legal murder in mans criminal justice system, but I submit that in Gods criminal justice system it is a sin of the most heinous sort, one that brutally ends the life of our most vulnerable and innocent members to the tune of a staggering 54 MILLION VICTIMS in the US alone, and counting.
Those directly responsible are quite obvious, but what of the coparticipants? Those that have conspired against these 54 million vulnerable innocent crime victims? It takes a massively wide conspiracy of unbelievable proportions to accomplish a crime of this unfathomable magnitude.
I submit that all those who keep this sin legal are just as guilty as those who are direct participants.
Abortion is a main plank of the Democratic platform. When you vote for a party you are putting your seal of approval on that platform. You are agreeing and supporting their goals when you cast your vote for their party.
You cannot say you disagree with their main plank yet support that main plank with your vote. This is contradictory. They are not hiding this plank so your vote is cast with open eyes knowing this.
We as human beings are amazing in our ability to justify our actions and if we are creative enough we can justify anything, including conspiring to murder 54 million vulnerable and innocent lives.
You have blood on your hands.
The excuses come fast and easy but there is no excuse for sin. None. We must take responsibility for our own sins and yes, I am absolutely saying that voting for a party that openly supports sin is enabling that sin and participating in that sin and sinning right along with that sin.
The creative justification part of us will immediately start pointing fingers at all sorts of things trying to muddy the waters, but what can possibly top 54 MILLION SENSELESS MURDERS OF THE VULNERABLE AND INNOCENT!!?? NOTHING!!
Not war, not compassion for the poor, not social policy, not fiscal policy. Nothing. This slaughter on our own soil makes the Holocaust look like childs play in comparison.
So in sheer body count alone there is no more important thing we should be voting for above this.
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I wrote these a few years ago and would add the following thoughts:
Mitt Romney, despite his shallow words to the contrary, has a clear record of supporting abortion (not to mention homosexuality, forced health care, global warming, anti gun legislation, liberal judges, etc etc) and as such I believe I would become a co-participant in conspiracy to commit murder if I were to support him with my vote to lead our country.
I also believe what is a sin for one man may not be a sin for another based on my understanding of this passage:
Romans 14:23
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.
This passage explains that if you think it is a sin then for you it is indeed a sin whether is really is a sin or not, and for others of stronger faith it is not a sin.
As I explained in my now long winded article I believe voting for someone pro choice is a sin for me, I would then ask this:
BASED ON SCRIPTURE AND REASON, how could I believe otherwise?
Don't equivocate that the survival of our country depends on Mitt winning because Obama is the boogieman.
I want to know where the flaws in my reasoning may be.
If you are a Christian and believe otherwise, how did you come to your conclusion based on scripture and reason?
Our Pastor said (several elections ago):
“God give us the President you want for us; not the one we deserve.”
Would not voting against Obama be comparable to the servant who hid away the money rather than investing it?
I believe we do have a responsibility to use our God given talents and what God gave me tells me to do my best to retire Obama.
Even if you could make the argument that Mitt is just as bad (I believe you would fail); Mitt will still be beholden to the interests that elected him, same as Obama.
Think about it, How could God look at it as a sin to vote against Obama?
“If you are a Christian and believe otherwise, how did you come to your conclusion based on scripture and reason?”
Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s
And unto God what is God’s.
And vote the commies out...
Heinlein claimed to be a methodist, and I'm not sure that I'd take an excerpt from one of his science fiction books as indicative of what he believed.
At any rate, the above statement is a distortion of Christian beliefs. God doesn't want the "sacharrine adoration" of his creations. He wants our companionship. He wants an intimate relationship with each of us. That's why we were created.
That he can be persuaded by our prayers, reflects that for whatever reason, He does want a relationship with us. Some view God having created the heavens, as too big to want to deal with man. But He is so big, that He can deal with man, and the universe at the same time. I think that's cool.
God doesn't become "petulant" if he doesn't receive our flattery. He does become rather indignant and angry when we perform acts of evil towards our fellow man. He is after all a God of love and justice. Worship is more for our benefit that God's. And as Jesus said, "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world."
Again Jesus said, "Love the Lord God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself" contains the entire law. I find no flaw in this command to love. People can twist it however they want. But I find this to be the ultimate moral code. Far higher than any other religion.
I think it's a wonderfully neat thing that the Creator of the Universe still wants to be my "friend", my "brother", my "father", and yes my "God".
So I guess we will just have to dissagree. But I hope that you don't let the ridicule of a science fiction writer, or atheists or anyone else, cause you to miss out on that relationship.
From Romans Ch 1.
32 “Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”
I think that about says it all. God is very ticked at that last group. If you vote for Romney then you are supporting extremely ungodly acts. If you do that then you are as guilty as those committing the acts. You are in fact sinning against God in a very grave way. You are called to defend Gods law. Not vote against it.
And you want to know why we are in this boat today. Because Christians rolled over and played dead starting a long time ago. Satin and his minions don’t play dead. They keep on attacking until there is nothing holy left. Take a stand by not voting for evil.
And by not voting for Romney, you indirectly vote for Obama and help the Obamanation of Desolation win. I don't want that evil hanging over me when I face my Creator.
“Second, in a two party system any failure to vote for the least offensive candidate is mathematically equivalent to half a vote for the most offensive candidate. By refusing to vote for Mitt Romney (as is your right) you will have essentially voted for Barak Obama.”
So lets see here. By refusing to vote for Obama then you have essentially already voted for Mitt Romney. That is according to your kind of math.
How does one respond to people of the land like you?
So in your view, doing nothing or making a throwaway vote and effectively aiding the greater evil to descend upon the nation is more virtuous than voting for the lesser of the evils? The reality is that this election is between two men, and if you’re eligible to vote you’re going to be partly responsible for one of them taking office next January, no matter what you tell yourself. The fringe candidates have no chance—no chance at all—and will only steal votes from one or the other of the two real contenders.
Seems to be a lot of energy expended on my one vote ... sorry, my mind is made up. Let the chips fall were they may. If Obama wins, blame my one vote. After all God is still in charge.
Do you support God or do you support a system that has attempted to force you to support one of two candidates who are against Gods law. This may be a test. You have to choose.
One thing is for sure. If you support either one, then your choices are never going to get any better. Guess how it came down to these two choices.
So very few responses with scriptural basis tonight.
I can only conclude that people are bible illiterate and or just have not really thought these things through.
I will certainly be voting this Nov but just not for Mitt. It would be immoral for me to do so based on what his record clearly shows he stands for.
The responses are all over the place but very few are based on scripture and reason together. Mostly emotion and bluster.
Not encouraging.
“2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.”
So according to your interpretation of that scripture then the guy who turned on the gas and killed a room full Jews is not only- not guilty of anything, but is in fact committing a holy act by obeying Authority.
If you want to vote for a sinless candidate you are about 2000 years late. I’ve got bad news for you, if you ever step into a voting booth again, you will be voting for a sinner.
If you give up voting for sinners, maybe you should also give up eating, as you are supporting sinners with your money. Seriously, hold your nose and vote for the candidate that will cause less harm.
I know what you mean. A little rational thought goes a long way in understanding Scripture. God does not want to destroy himself. And God does not want to promote evil. Those are for starters. Glad, if I was of help.
So by not voting for Obama, Romney gets 1/2 of a vote and by not voting for Romney, Obama gets 1/2 of a vote. In other words, neither of them gets an advantage. Funny how that works. I guess common sense just trumped all this advanced mathematics of how a non-vote for Romney is somehow a vote for Obama.
Well, unless you're planning an armed insurrection against the current system, then I guess you are supporting the system too.The system isn't going to be changed by one election. It will take a generation to repair, if that's even possible at this point.
Is your not voting for Romney, and thereby indirectly voting for Obama, somehow going to change the system?
In the meantime, God has provided us only two candidates who can win in November. He will expect you to vote for the lesser of two evils.
And, by the way, since Jesus himself is not a candidate, then your only options for presidential candidates have always been fallen, sinful men. Based on your previous statement that the sins of those you vote for will be counted against you, then I imagine you have never voted for anyone.
Finally, you never even bothered (sigh) to address my point that not voting for Romney is the equivalent of a vote for Obama. You really think our Father is going to smile down upon you for helping an even more ungodly man than Obama win the White House?
Well, brother, we can agree on that.
Ronald Reagan was a sinner. But he was not against God. He did not stand up and call evil Good, and Good- evil as your current candidates do. You try to compare the two. It is a phony comparison. Because the difference is in the heart. And your current candidates cross the line into supporting the most vile acts as defined in scripture. Fool yourself if you want to- that you are simply voting for a sinner. But the truth is that you are voting for a whole lot more than that. You are voting for a leader that is actively campaigning against God. And even being deceitful in doing it.
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