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The South is Right!
Nolan Chart ^ | May 25, 2012 | Mark Voge

Posted on 06/23/2012 7:52:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

150 years after the great divide in America, reality seems to be proving that the South was right on everything but slavery, lets look!

The Kennedy brothers, Donnie and Ron shook book stores across the land when their book The South Was Right boldly proclaimed a view which asserts that the original founders of America were right, and Lincoln and the progressives were wrong!

The Kennedy twins are intelligent, educated, successful southerners who focused their intellects on researching the politics and economics of the ante bellum era and found considerable evidence that the South was right. It's a terrific book available at Barnes and Nobles, and if you are an American who believes in God, the original founders of America and Declaration of Independence, then The South Was Right should be in your library.

Now, before we go further let's do what we have to do, condemn slavery as the sin of the past. It was wrong. It was wrong in the North, and wrong in the South. Taking a man's liberty is taking a gift from the Almighty Father and that is wrong. No point wasting a lot of space in debate, or discussion. So let's move on.

This article is not about the past, it is about today. It is about an America seemingly in cardiac arrest. It is about an America over regulated, over taxed, over governed. It is about present day fashions and trends crushing the spirit of liberty which made us America. America is headed in the wrong direction and the markets, and our economy, and our young know it. America needs a new direction, and that direction can be found in the South, in its past, and in its present.

The division in America started almost before the Constitution was dry. Justice Abel P. Upshur, of Virginia, wrote a treatise on the Southern interpretation of the Constitution. Within that work Upshur points to God as the author/creator of soveriegnty. Soveriegnty is handed from God to man. From man, soveriegnty is passed to the states. And it is the states who share a small portion of soveriegnty with the federeal government. The federal government is last, not first, and the Constitution is a leash to restrain the natural inclination of men in power to seek more power.

Let's start with the beginning. The South, Dixie, is also known as the Bible Belt. 150 years ago, in the Preamble to the Confederate Constitution, the southern founding fathers called on God for His protection and His guidance. God was invited to the "governing table." This was not something new in America, but it was one of the things the North was changing and the South wanted to keep. If you read Forged in Faith or The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States you will discover that Christ had been with America since before its conception. Christ and the church were with each of the colonies as they were discovered and settled. Christianity was at the heart of the laws, at the core of the spirit of the people who made the venture from Europe to America. Christ was about liberty, the rule of law, consent of the governed and majority rule. Sovereignty came from God. God is sovereign. From Him all authority flows.

Many of today's writers on this subject credit the Pilgrims and Massachusetts with using the Bible, and Higher Law to write the Mayflower Compact and plant the seeds for American democracy. The separate religious faiths of Christianity and the pulpit was critical to the foundation of Ameirca. The first cohesiveness of America, the first spirit of unity amongst the colonies came from a mutual belief in a Christian God. All believed that God had brought us to America, and that God was in charge.

The North is portrayed as the original Bible Belt. Yet something happened. The North has moved away from God. The South today, has not. Barack Obama, as President, has declared we are not a Christian nation. That may work in New York, or with the main stream media, but it don't set well if you live south of the Mason Dixon Line, or in the Heartland. America is Christian today. We do believe in the Bible. We do believe in Christ. Our morality, our sense of right and wrong, come from the Higher law. Everything that America can be stems from this starting point. Everything that man can be emanates from the understanding that God exists, that the Bible is His word.

This is not past. This is today. This is the South. Go in its towns. Go to its churches. Talk to people. Listen. The South is not conservative because it has less colleges or universities. The South is not conservative through some genetic fault. The South is conservative because the root of conservatism is a Christian God. It is a belief in something other than government. It is a belief in the partnership between God and man. The South is Right!

Since Eden man has wrestled with the questions of right and wrong. There's no need to. God outlined right and wrong. Like a loving parent He wrote a letter to mankind in the form of the Bible. It tells us right and wrong. No secrets. Nothing scientists have to discover. Nope. Like the basic laws of physics right and wrong do NOT change. Yet, so much of man's energy is wasted in the ebb tides of morality. Yet like gravity, or magnetism, right and wrong are consistent, not changed or altered by man.

The South is this place. It is a place where the anchor of God sets the table. While other parts of the nation, or people within the nation may chide the South for being the Bible Belt, we wear that description knowing Christ told us we should endure in living His word.

But the South is about much more then its bedrock faith.

The South is about American values. It is about federalism, state's rights and local control. It is about the people in the local area having the most to say about governing themselves. The South is about limiting federal government. The South is about limiting the benefits of working for the government! The best and brightest should not be in government. They should be in medicine, or inventing new technologies, or creating new business formations, or caring for the land and resources of a region.

The South is about capitalism. It is about competition. The right to work is a southern concept, and unions are seen as a socialist tool to organize workers. Unions have become their own political parties, their own sources of power. Unions do not represent their members. What American jobs did unions fight for? Unions are internationals, not American. They are not Christian, they are secular. Unions are myopic; they are manifestations of cumulative greed seeking power and advantage for a small set of people. And because the South rejected unionism, and wealthy investors poured their monies into the north and not the South, the South was spared the natural inflation which comes with unions.

The South is about understanding that wealth is not money. Wealth is in the land, in the family, and in the things we produce. Money is a tool, not a source of value.

The South is about pride in one's home town, and region. The South is about a regional identity and unity. It is about a way of thinking, a way of singing, and a way of enjoying life. What other region in America has a symbol equal to the Confederate battle flag?; a symbol internationally known and respected, a symbol in opposition to tyranny and oppression. And then there is the South's national anthem; Dixie.

The South offers an alternative American model, one that is needed in the modern world. The South is the antithesis to modern global hegemony and collectivism. The South is about nationalism, independence, autonomy, personal liberty, limited government. The South embraces God as the sole supreme authority. The South provides an alternative course, alternative direction, an alternative to human secularism and socialism. The South is right.


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To: 2ndDivisionVet

the south today HAS moved from God

I live in Dixie now, and I tell ya, while people all say they love Jesus...and they DONT say that in the North, you would be hard pressed to see it in their lives

people who claim to be Baptists drink, smoke, sleep around, if you go to a singles website, all the BAPTIST women want to meet you in a bar for drinks first

soem insist on knowing what a good kisser you are first before they agree to date you.

Honest, I fell out laughing when I was asked that one, but it’s true, more than once. ( I kind of agree, but I would NEVER have said it that way)

But Bible Belt?

No, growign liberal Christianity. STILL, more Christianity than New England, I will admit, but Bible Belt??

stretch pants, more like.

In fact, in most of the Baptist Churches, about 40% of the congregation is all us Northerners. That was true of the 3 Baptist Churches I tied until I stayed in the last one for the last 18 months


101 posted on 06/24/2012 1:42:00 PM PDT by RaceBannon (I wont vote for a gay marriage marxist gun grabber, or vote for Obama, either)
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To: Ditto

The confederacy was about the right to secede, a right that every state has. The Union infringed on that right. Repeatedly. The north deserves the downward economic and social trend it has experienced for the way it treated the South.


102 posted on 06/24/2012 4:41:22 PM PDT by arderkrag (ABOs are Romneybot trolls. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: Ditto

The confederacy was about the right to secede, a right that every state has. The Union infringed on that right. Repeatedly. The north deserves the downward economic and social trend it has experienced for the way it treated the South.


103 posted on 06/24/2012 4:41:52 PM PDT by arderkrag (ABOs are Romneybot trolls. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: jmacusa

You sound like a Redleg to me. Fu!


104 posted on 06/24/2012 6:18:47 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We became Southerners in 2010 when we moved to Tennessee from California. We are so glad to be in the Bible Belt! I know it sounds backward, but the south is much more civilized than California, NY, etc., when it comes to the issues that matter in life.


105 posted on 06/24/2012 6:37:59 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Secret Agent Man

I never said we were right about Slavery, but here’s a little known group of Facts...

#1: The first slave was owned by a BLACK man

#2: Not ONE slave was brought to America under the Stars and Bars they were all brought here under the Stars and Stripes

and

#3: General Grants wife refused to free her slaves, they had to be taken by force. A fact that has now been scrubbed from the History Books.


106 posted on 06/24/2012 7:36:28 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Melas
your statement kinda proves a public school education. You might want to READ up on the subject before mouthing off.
107 posted on 06/24/2012 7:38:16 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Ditto

Try READING up on Shermans March to the Sea.

Quit saying what you’ve been “taught” in public school, and try looking into things for yourself.


108 posted on 06/24/2012 7:42:33 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Ditto
Defending slavery was all the Confederacy was about. Without slavery, there would have been no Civil War.

wrong

109 posted on 06/24/2012 7:44:36 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Shadowstrike

And those facts prove what? Slavery was right? And you states were under the stars and bars when your plantations were taking in slaves.

And thanks for glossing over the rest of my comments where I agree with you that there can be valid reasons to secede, and the south had some, but they also had a very bad invalid one.

Fact is the south would’ve given it up soon anyway, slave labor was unable to keep up with industrialization.


110 posted on 06/24/2012 7:46:44 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Chill dude, I’m not arguing with you.

No, those facts were not to prove Slavery was right (as I said, you might want to LOOk at my post).

And, I didn’t mean to “gloss over” where you agreed with me.

I was just sharing information, not starting a disagreement.

AND just for being that way, some of those plantations were OWNED by Yankees, and had Southern Overseers.

Get some coffee, and relax.


111 posted on 06/24/2012 7:54:22 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Shadowstrike
#2: Not ONE slave was brought to America under the Stars and Bars they were all brought here under the Stars and Stripes...

That's because the importation of slaves was made illegal in the United States in 1808, 20 years after the Constitution was ratified. The flag under which the majority of slaves were imported was, in fact, the British one. And one of the main conduits ran, oddly, through the state of Rhode Island, also the first state to make it illegal and the first to declare independence from the British as well.

That is not to ignore a rather vigorous activity in smuggling of slaves, two hotbeds of which were Charleston and New Orleans. But that was small potatoes compared to the original importation.

As to the overall issue of the continuance of the institution of slavery, however, the Stars and Bars absolutely does hold a responsibility - I cite the Texas declaration of secession as a specific instance.

As far as the first slave being owned by a black man, you are referring, I believe to Anthony Johnson, who is recorded as owning slaves in the mid 1600's. He was, however, brought over as a "servant" himself - the definitions were very murky at that time, and no one differentiated between indentured servants and slaves. He was among the first to own servants formally designated as "slave" but the real "credit" of being the first slaveowner in America is, I am afraid, lost to time. If I had to grant that title to somebody he would probably be Spanish. Which stretches the definition of "America" - this is a debate that will never really be resolved.

112 posted on 06/24/2012 8:13:15 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Brass Lamp
Did you know about Corwin: No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.

The very existence of this thing disproves the prevailing interpretation of history. It is not the smoking gun, it is the magic bullet itself. A whole version of history lies dead in the corner with Lincoln bent over it.

The same neo-confederate BS that I have grown so tired of hearing here. Lincoln did not vigorously endorse the Corwin Amendment. He only said that he did not care one way or another, but if could have convinced the states that had already declare secession to return to the union, he was not opposed. The amendment was only proposed to reassure the South that the Federal Government had no intention of abolishing slavery.

In fact, there was no possible way the Federal Government could have abolished it before secession.

Congress would have never given the necessary 2/3 majority of both houses, and with 15 out of 37 being slave states, there was no chance of gaining the necessary 3/4 of state ratification necessary to ratify such an admendment to the constitution.

Your drivel about Lincoln supporting Corwin is a standard Lost Cause tactic to confuse those who do not know history or are totally ignorant of the constitutional process.

Lincoln did not come into office promising to end slavery. His only pledge was to end the expansion of slavery to the territories.

That, and that alone is what the Confederates went to war over.

Read about the Corwin Amendment here.

Learn the facts and please stop spreading misinformation.

113 posted on 06/24/2012 8:36:27 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Shadowstrike
Quit saying what you’ve been “taught” in public school, and try looking into things for yourself.

My information about Sherman's March comes from a famous Mississippian by the name of Shelby Foote.

Try reading him some time my friend. He will disabuse you of many of the myths you have be 'taught.'

114 posted on 06/24/2012 8:51:39 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Melas
Your history is faulty. Alexander Stephens was the vice president of the confederate states. Judah Benjamin is who you’re thinking of, and he was the secretary of state.

I stand corrected. He was also Secretary of War too.
115 posted on 06/24/2012 9:41:41 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Shadowstrike

Perhaps you could provide a reference for your #3?


116 posted on 06/24/2012 9:54:30 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: jessduntno
Draw your own conclusions. I know what this letter says and so do you. Just as in all the great purges, the numbers of civilian deaths are concealed for the most part. A guess?

How many civilians died on Patton's March through Germany?

According to Shelby Foote, while Sherman did massive damage to Confederate infrastructure such as railroads, forges and cotton mills, and his 60,000 men did live off the land, there were few civilians injured in his campaign and even military losses where very low compared to other campaigns during that war.

The end result is that Sherman ended the war far sooner than it would have otherwise. That saved tens of thousands of lives on both sides.

117 posted on 06/24/2012 9:55:13 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: central_va

Care to show me where say’s it’s legal Reb? And don’t give me the 10th. Amendment. Look up this guy, Professor John Stouffer, Harvard Uni., heard him on C-Span recently. Do that Reb. You know something, seems to me you’ve done alright living in the good ol’USA . If you don’t like it then start your own secessionist movement. Do that instead of mouthing off here General Lee. Make the freakin’ news and show America the face of the new secessionist.


118 posted on 06/24/2012 9:55:42 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: ohioman

I’m an American. Funny, someone from Ohio calling me a Jayhawker. Tell me something chum, what the hell does all of this North/South bs have to do with today? Is fighting 1861 going to get Obama out of office?


119 posted on 06/24/2012 9:58:32 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: central_va

Collapse without civil war? Reb check the history. It wasn’t exactly peaceful.


120 posted on 06/24/2012 10:00:23 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa
Make the freakin’ news and show America the face of the new secessionist.

Fascist.

121 posted on 06/25/2012 4:23:27 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: jmacusa
Make the freakin’ news and show America the face of the new secessionist.

Fascist.

122 posted on 06/25/2012 4:23:38 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The South is about American values.

Amen. I'm in Red Hampshire (spit), and the locals always cop an attitude when I make reference about 'returning to America' in a few months...New England and the south/midwest...two COMPLETELY different countries.

123 posted on 06/25/2012 4:28:45 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: jmacusa

The lib dems of today are the same as the scumbag radical republicans of the 1860s - leading this country into the abyss.


124 posted on 06/25/2012 7:42:24 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: ohioman

Dhimmicrats have always been dhimmicrats. Just like the southern fire-eaters that launched us into war in 1860.


125 posted on 06/25/2012 7:48:08 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Ditto

“How many civilians died on Patton’s March through Germany?...The end result is that Sherman ended the war far sooner than it would have otherwise. That saved tens of thousands of lives on both sides.”

Bullshit. They didn’t do anything but plan a genocide.

They were intent on killing everything. At that point, they just wanted to make sure they could take everything and there would be nothing left for the south for decades. They were right, the f*ing fascists. Nice equivocations, though. The fact is, the south weren’t Nazis...they were Americans and that war was driven by greed for power, political agenda and money.... which they got ... to play out their progressive agenda and make the northeast the power center. How’s that working for us, Bud?

Patton? Sherman was no Patton. He was a homicidal maniac...read his letters. He wasn’t a warrior, he was a licensed mass murderer. And his grubby, drunken boss oversaw the demise during and after the war. Nice job there, too.

Yeah, the north won alright. Like a rapist wins when they drag someone much smaller and unarmed into a corner and screw them and beat them and leave them for dead.


126 posted on 06/25/2012 8:02:02 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Newt Gingrich was part of the Reagan Revolution's Murderers' Row." - Jeffrey Lord, Reagan Admin.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“the South was right on everything but slavery”

This constant association with the South and slavery pisses me off. The North had slavery, too, and Lincoln did not free the slaves, the 13th Amendment did.


127 posted on 06/25/2012 8:20:58 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: Ditto

“End of discussion. Without slavery, there would have never been a Civil War. “

BS. You don’t know much about history if you think that.


128 posted on 06/25/2012 8:22:46 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: PzLdr

So, what you are saying is that slavery WAS OK, as long as limited to Southerners who wanted to opt out of the Union.

Can’t have it both ways.


129 posted on 06/25/2012 8:30:55 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Ditto
The same neo-confederate BS that I have grown so tired of hearing here. Lincoln did not vigorously endorse the Corwin Amendment. He only said that he did not care one way or another, but if could have convinced the states that had already declare secession to return to the union, he was not opposed.

The circumstance for his supposed detachment made his declaration of disinterest ridiculous.

The amendment was only proposed to reassure the South that the Federal Government had no intention of abolishing slavery.

And so it was in perfect agreement with Lincoln's pledge. To add apologetic to denial is to poison the one and waste the other. Please explain why a reason someone might support the amendment helps prove that someone didn't.

In fact, there was no possible way the Federal Government could have abolished it before secession. Congress would have never given the necessary 2/3 majority of both houses, and with 15 out of 37 being slave states, there was no chance of gaining the necessary 3/4 of state ratification necessary to ratify such an admendment to the constitution.

All the above is irrelevant to the issue of whether Lincoln supported the language.

Your drivel about Lincoln supporting Corwin is a standard Lost Cause tactic to confuse those who do not know history or are totally ignorant of the constitutional process.

The constitutional process is irrelevant to the issue of whether Lincoln supported the language. You continue to do what you did with arderkrag in #45. Continual insults, derision, and accusations of ignorance are not going to win any arguments worth winning.

Lincoln did not come into office promising to end slavery. His only pledge was to end the expansion of slavery to the territories.

And so his pledge was in perfect agreement with the language of the amendment.

That, and that alone is what the Confederates went to war over.

Read about the Corwin Amendment here.

Yeah, the letter writing campaign in which he told every one pertinent to the amendment process about this amendment he didn't really care about and that he didn't care about it. He was even more weirdly adamant about not really caring about it in his first inaugural, because, you know, the inaugural address of a president in a time of national crisis is the perfect occasion to bring up the matter of an amendment to permanently alter the Constitution and perhaps prevent the ruination of the whole country when one doesn't care about it so much that it becomes necessary to point out how much one doesn't care. It goes further than that; Lincoln actually claimed to not even know the language of the proposal - by the time he gave the speech!.

I think he was lying.

Learn the facts and please stop spreading misinformation.

Your feelings about facts are not, themselves, facts.

130 posted on 06/25/2012 10:06:40 AM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: central_va

What’s the matter Reb? Don’t you want to be the new Confederate? Think of it. You’ll be at the fore front of a new (old) movement. ‘’The New Confederate States of America’’ and you can be it’s president. Think of the celebrity status that goes with it! You’ll do all the talks shows and stuff. Heck, you might even get on Fox News. The gals go big time for edgy, revolutionary types you know. Who knows, you might finally get yourself a girlfriend.


131 posted on 06/25/2012 12:26:15 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa

Kind of funny how a conservative state like Virgina was so conservative that they only allowed a kook and a RINO on the primary ballot this year.


132 posted on 06/25/2012 12:46:16 PM PDT by PT57A
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To: PT57A

You want to talk RINOS? My state NJ has a big fat-ass Lou Costello look-a-like RINO by the name of Chris Christie.


133 posted on 06/25/2012 7:38:06 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Ditto

Sorry, but the ‘myths’ I have been taught were from letters sent among family who happened to have actually been there at the time.

I think I’ll stick with my ancestors.


134 posted on 06/25/2012 7:40:00 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: jmacusa

LOL! A rino of a RINO.


135 posted on 06/25/2012 7:42:17 PM PDT by PT57A
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To: rockrr

You’ll have to give me a few days to find the book, I’ve been painting and everything is scattered to he** and gone here.

I’d rather have just painted around the furniture, but you know how some people can be...


136 posted on 06/25/2012 7:44:22 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: All

I’ll never understand why all those dirt poor Southern enlisted men who didn’t own slaves fought like hell for the South. And that includes my g-g-grandfather who was wounded twice, went home to heal, then went back and fought some more. He never owned a slave.


137 posted on 06/25/2012 8:23:18 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: CodeToad

I always found it interesting that the slaves weren’t freed until long after the war started. Yet it’s always said slavery is why the war was fought.


138 posted on 06/25/2012 8:43:47 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: Shadowstrike
Sorry, but the ‘myths’ I have been taught were from letters sent among family who happened to have actually been there at the time.

That's interesting. Why don't you scan them and post them for us to read?

139 posted on 06/30/2012 6:44:49 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Terry Mross
I always found it interesting that the slaves weren’t freed until long after the war started. Yet it’s always said slavery is why the war was fought.

That's because you are ignorant of history. It can be cured, if you care to study just a little bit.

140 posted on 07/02/2012 12:26:04 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Ditto

Why should I study? You know everything and I’m sure you love to prove that to everybody every chance you get. So, will you explain to me what a smart ass is? Never mind. I did a little studying. Looked it up in the dictionary. It has a picture of you.


141 posted on 07/02/2012 9:00:50 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The so called southern anthem was written and performed in New York city.

The symbol recognized around the world is the US flag.


142 posted on 07/02/2012 8:19:39 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: CodeToad

The North had slavery, too, and Lincoln did not free the slaves, the 13th Amendment did.

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The “party of Lincoln” line that was used for a while tickled me pink.

“I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races. I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. And I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. … And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.” – Abraham Lincoln in his fourth debate with Stephen Douglas in the campaign for the United States Senate on September 18th of 1858.

I also seem to remember a collection of narratives from some old ex-slaves (1930’s I think) in which many expressed an abiding reverence for their former masters that had withstood half-century of post-slavery experience.

Just sayin’..


143 posted on 07/16/2012 4:55:05 AM PDT by gzzimlich
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To: donmeaker; Ditto; jmacusa

I had to chuckle at our thin-skinned Lost Causer buddies’ detritus here. Some folks just can’t figure out when it’s timne to move along.


144 posted on 07/18/2012 10:31:05 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wealth was in owning another human being. How do you get around that?


145 posted on 07/18/2012 11:27:01 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa

I’m not a spokesman for the South, so I don’t have to “get around” anything. Did you read the article and assimilate the information it imparted or just respond to the headline?


146 posted on 07/18/2012 11:32:38 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes 2nd, I read the article and never read so much twaddle in my life. Do you really think we in the North are all God-less liberals? Do you really believe that? 150 years ago the South intended to preserve an evil system of an economy based on slave labor, it launched a war it couldn’t possibly hope to win and is responsible for the deaths of 660,000 Americans. I’ve no truck with any Southerner or any of my fellow citizens who considers themselves an AMERICAN as I do. I’m not a ‘’Northerner’’ or a “Yankee’’. My problem is with “Johnny Reb wanna-be’s who haven’t realized the Confederacy lost and the war is over.


147 posted on 07/18/2012 12:42:09 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa

I was raised in Southern California, South Florida and Central Iowa, so I’m not really a Southerner, either. I live in Mississippi and am moving back to the Dallas area in a few weeks.


148 posted on 07/18/2012 2:23:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; duffee; onyx; DrewsMum; Tupelo; mstar; jdirt; Vietnam Vet From New Mexico; ...

A Southern man don’t need him around anyhow, ping


149 posted on 07/18/2012 4:00:10 PM PDT by WKB
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

In the North it was “The Civil War”, to the Southern media and politicians it was “The War for Southern Independence”, to the those in the South who did the killing, the dying and the mourning, it was “The War Against Northern Aggression”.


150 posted on 07/18/2012 4:46:30 PM PDT by duffee (Romney 2012, NEWT 2016)
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