Posted on 06/24/2012 5:54:41 PM PDT by Borges
I respect R.E. Lee but he picked the wrong side.
The treasonous confederacy NEVER had any chance against the USA.
Pennsylvania and New York each had more manufacturing output than the entire south COMBINED in 1860.
In 1860, the North manufactured 97 percent of the country’s firearms, 96 percent of its railroad locomotives, 94 percent of its cloth, 93 percent of its pig iron, and over 90 percent of its boots and shoes. The North had twice the density of railroads per square mile. There was not even one rifleworks in the entire South.
The north crushed the south fair and square.
300,000 blue bellies died in a war of brutal conquest to destroy the republic, a lot still lie in southern soil. Poor souls who died fighting for a ruthless dictator. Sic semper tyrannis.
I have respect for the United States Constitution. It is the supreme law of the land. I took an oath to defend it.
Section 10: Limits on the States
“No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.”
“No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it’s [sic] inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.”
“No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.”
So President Eisenhower had a traitors portrait hanging in the oval office?
Thank you... Finally a voice of reason that takes into account the questions that were, at that time, unanswered. People tend to forget that, prior to the War Between the States, the phrase was “These United States of America”, thus acknowledging the soverenty of the individual states. After the war, it became “The United States of America”, changing to the singular and thus indicating a single entity... So much for states’ soverenty...
Article 3, Section 3 made it very clear.
Levying war against the United States is treason.
“So much for states’ soverenty”
If the south was fighting for states rights, why did they form the confederacy? For states to enter into any kind of Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation is prohibited by Article 1, Section 10, Clause 1.
Weasel prick answer the question: did President Eisenhower have a portrait of a traitor hanging in the oval office?
Answer this you coward, how many members of the Confederate government were tried for treason and were executed post Civil War?
A drink, on the other hand...
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Welcome to FR.
The Union offered command of the army to Robert E. Lee, he discussed his divided loyalties with the highest government officials.
His discussions and resignation were all above board and honorable.
Many folks could benefit from reading War for What? by Francis W. Springer. It provides correct historical perspective.
Yes. But it no surprise, you can respect someone greatly and also think of them as a traitor.
Only the treasonous confederate war criminal were executed.
I have a question, how many prisoners or innocent civilians did the rebels murder during the war?
“No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it’s [sic] inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul [sic] of the Congress.”
Was manipulated to allow Congress to manipulate tariffs to negatively impact southern states for the benefit of northern states, it became time to rethink alliances with the Federal Government.
When the Federal government began to further act in an unconstitutional manner by acting outside of its Constitutionally granted power, it was further time to rethink participation in the union. Tenth Amendment – Powers of States and people. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Secession was not expressly prohibited by the Constitution. When the state voted to secede, it did not enter into any Treaty or Confederation....it did however, withdraw from one. Once it withdrew, it was free to make whatever alliances it wanted to as a sovereign state. Think of it as being allowed to marry again after your divorce.
AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union between the State of South Carolina and other States united with her under the compact entitled "The Constitution of the United States of America."
We, the people of the State of South Carolina, in convention assembled, do declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained, That the ordinance adopted by us in convention on the twenty-third day of May, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, whereby the Constitution of the United States of America
was ratified, and also all acts and parts of acts of the General Assembly of this State ratifying amendments of the said Constitution, are hereby repealed; and that the union now subsisting between South Carolina and other States, under the name of the "United States of America," is hereby dissolved. Done at Charleston the twentieth day of December, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty.
This was done by the citizens of that state through their duly elected representatives.
It is the same principle behind this piece of "treasonous" literature.....
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
Coward, answer my questions first.
Was George Washington a traitor when he led the army against King George?
“I have a question, how many prisoners or innocent civilians did the rebels murder during the war?”
Probably very few since they were fighting a defensive war on their own ground. But you might want to consider the Union’s war against civilians, the burning of farms and cities, the destruction of crops and livestock, the rapes and looting and famine left in the wake of the Union Army.
Bruce Catton, in his ‘northern’ trilogy of the Civil War, begins by relating the tale of a local man who liked to celebrate his service in the Union Army. Catton was greatly impressed as a child, but much less so as an adult when he learned that this man’s job had been to burn out the farmers of the Shenandoah Valley. This was done on the premise that they would feed the Confederate Army, but in fact the farmers of the Shenandoah were mostly Germans who were unionists. Too bad for them, they got an early lesson in Big Government as practiced by the Lincoln Administration.
“Probably very few”
12,900 union prisoners died at Andersonville thanks to the inhuman treatment by the rebels.
13 innocent civilians were tortured and murdered by the rebels in Madison County, North Carolina in January 1863.
“the burning of farms and cities, the destruction of crops and livestock, the rapes and looting and famine left in the wake of the Union Army.”
The Union Army ordered the destruction of property not civilian lives; that is a legitimate military tactic, if we follow your argument to it’s conclusion then the US (and almost every military on earth) is guilty of “war crimes” for destroying property.
And I'm sure that there were absolutely no attocities whatsoever commited by Sherman and his troops during his "March to the Sea"... No lit brooms thrown into the homes of civilians... No slave women raped... No thefts of any kind from civilians. And when he got to South Carolina, he told his men to be extra cordial to the state in which the conflict started... Oh and prior to that there was no forced labor of free blacks and slaves during the building of Fort Negley in Nashville. And records don't show that 2,768 blacks were officially enrolled in its construction and that during construction 600-800 men died and only 310 ever received any pay. Naah... None of that ever happened either... /S
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