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Have Environmentalists/EPA Triggered Electric Power Outages To 3 Million Americans?
JoeClarke.Net ^ | 07/03/2012 | JoeClarke.Net

Posted on 07/03/2012 4:53:42 PM PDT by joeclarke

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To: cripplecreek
Oh, here it is...


81 posted on 07/03/2012 7:39:11 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Figment

***So how did people live to 95 back then?***

Very rarely. A family might have 15 kids. 5 will die before adulthood, 5 will die in their early adulthood, three die in middle age and one in beginning old age, and one at 95.


82 posted on 07/03/2012 7:46:11 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
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83 posted on 07/03/2012 7:46:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Cyber Liberty

My family remembers this one. It was called a dust storm.

http://www.livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe30s/water_02.html


84 posted on 07/03/2012 7:50:19 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

That was awful. I saw movie of that, and that little blow we had was nothing!


85 posted on 07/03/2012 7:56:17 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: cripplecreek

:^)


86 posted on 07/03/2012 7:57:28 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty; Figment

***Come live where I do, and turn off the A/C. Then let’s see what necessary.***

I used to live in Farmington NM. One July 4th we decided to visit kin in Scotland Arkansas. We left Farmington it was 98 degrees and 12 % humidity, and I didn’t notice it at all. No Ac in my truck.

Two days later I am in Scotland, AR and my MIL decides to go to Clinton to do some shopping. It was 98 degrees with humidity about 90%.

We go into the store, and when I walked out I almost went to my knees as the heat just swarmed me. I felt like I had been hit with a hundred fists. Yet it was only 98 degrees.


87 posted on 07/03/2012 8:10:20 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Well, there you go. I am impressed. Really! That is hot, and that’s humid too. I came home from work one day and the power was off in my house (We have a generator at work). My candles had all melted. ISYN. :^)


88 posted on 07/03/2012 8:16:11 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Been there done that. I work in a foundry and it’s been above 100 for over a week. Tell me how hot it is where you live in your AC


89 posted on 07/03/2012 8:18:01 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Figment

Aw, it’s worse than that. I track and log the temperature in my lab to make sure I am taking good measurements. It’s locked in at 69F. It’s heck having to go through 110F heat in a prebaked car (180F) the two miles to home where it’s 77F year ‘round.

Oh well.it’s the cross I bear. I wouldn’t trade this for the world. Even with the occasional Haboob. I so hated the snow.


90 posted on 07/03/2012 8:24:06 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Take 1 part environmentalists that object to transmission and generation being sited.

Add 1 part electric utilities that have been cowed from adding Tx and Gen capacity.

Add 16 parts radical BIG government bent on destroying coal (47% of US generation) via shuttering older plants; denying the Keystone pipeline; denying and delaying leases on federal lands; and an entire mindset that one can destroy existing energy infrastructure and replace it with untested and uneconomical resources.

Stir. And you have the Great Depression.

When CA went down in 2000, it created what those in the business call "INDUSTRIAL COLLAPSE" It looks very much like what the AP is trying to pass off as Climate Change.

91 posted on 07/03/2012 8:29:44 PM PDT by CT
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To: CT

Yep. All true. What are we gonna do about it?


92 posted on 07/03/2012 8:33:46 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: joeclarke

And then there’s the problem of the tree-huggers - a lot of the outages here in south Jersey were caused by trees being blown over on to power lines - in the rural areas this is to be expected, but even in a lot of built up areas it’s becoming almost impossible to keep trees adequately trimmed and controlled because of the greenies - in our town there is an “Environmental Committee” which must be consulted before any tree larger than 15” in diameter is felled, no matter how diseased or unattractive - they’ve eased up a bit because they’ve received so much resistance from a lot of people - one local cop told one of them that if they tried to interfere with what he did with his own trees they’d never know what hit them - but they’re still a major hindrance in the public’s being able to do what in many cases is known to be best for safety and the environment by those with at least a little common sense.....


93 posted on 07/03/2012 9:17:52 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: dirtboy

Do you have any familiarity with slagging and fouling, fusion temperatures, coke button, B&W Cyclones ?


94 posted on 07/04/2012 4:33:58 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Navy Patriot
Uh, I posted links to news stories about the event and a wiki description of a derecho. Now, you make a positive backing up this claim:

My opinions exactly fit the facts regarding grid maintenance, improvement, tree trimming and environazi/EPA interference in the same.

Please show where there has been such interference in tree trimming. Usually opposition is more by homeowners who don't want their pretty trees chewed up, but that is more short-sighteness on their part.

But the larger claim by Joe Clark is that the EPA's coal mandates have something to do with this particular outage. They don't.

95 posted on 07/04/2012 4:53:29 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

So tell me again what that has to do with the claims made by this particular blog post - that EPA policies were responsible for this outage, instead of a big thunderstorm complex?


96 posted on 07/04/2012 4:55:03 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

These are terms common to the coal industry.


97 posted on 07/04/2012 5:01:20 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
And so tell me again what they have to do with the core premise of this article - that the EPA's anti-coal mandates had bearing on this particular outage.

They don't.

And I am opposed to those mandates. And opposed to the anti-fracking dingbats. But that doesn't change the fact that this was a weather-related phenomenon, possibly aided in places by spot opposition to tree-trimming around power lines. But some storms go beyond that, when they bring down the entire tree on a power line and not just an overhanging limb.

98 posted on 07/04/2012 5:06:32 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

References to coal should be left to industry veterans.


99 posted on 07/04/2012 5:09:58 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

One doesn’t have to know how coal is mined to realize that shutting down coal plants around the country using over-zealous mandates is a bad thing.


100 posted on 07/04/2012 5:16:20 AM PDT by dirtboy
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