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As a doctor, I’m going to keep asking about guns
KevinMD ^ | 8/9/12 | Suzanne Koven, MD

Posted on 08/13/2012 2:25:34 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows

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To: Slings and Arrows
I call BS on the "convenient" anecdote there at the end.
61 posted on 08/13/2012 4:32:05 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: elcid1970

The correct answer to theirs, or anyone’s questions not under a legal compulsory perjury condition is, “No.”


62 posted on 08/13/2012 4:33:38 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: PowderMonkey

Actually, many doctors do ask about things like that - not skydiving, but more common things like pools. I’ve only been asked the gun question once, after my daughter was born, and it was within the context of a series of questions about storage of household chemicals, car seat installation, whether I had a pool, etc - general baby-proofing/child-proofing type stuff. I didn’t have a problem with it in that context, though I would have a problem if asked for no legitimate reason (which I understand happens quite a bit).


63 posted on 08/13/2012 4:37:06 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: BobL
"Whatever answer you give is likely to be recorded and you have no assurance that your answer will stay in the doctor’s office and not make it to the police station, or to a social worker’s office. Or just into a government database accessed by anyone that might want to check."

Oh, I can attest to that. It's being done now, in the run up to Obamacare. By law, all medical records are being electronically entered into a national database. Every time I visit my doctor, a nurse practitioner records all my answers to her questions into a laptop, linked to a central database. On the laptop's main screen displaying my medical records is my driver's license photograph, obtained from the state's division of motor vehicles. I did not give the doctor's office my driver's license photo. The state did. So, yes anything you say can and will be entered into the government's database...and one day used against you.
64 posted on 08/13/2012 4:40:27 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Slings and Arrows

About 25 years ago we were at the pediatricians office for some routine thing or another. The doctor asked me if I owned any guns. I said yes. He then said, “Do you know how many children are killed by guns every year?” To which I replied, “No, but I’ll bet its far fewer than are killed by malpracting doctors.”
We were asked to find another doctor.


65 posted on 08/13/2012 4:41:17 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Repeal Obamacare, the CITIZENSHIP TAX)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Sincere physicians merely need to say: "If you have firearms in your home, please be aware that they need to be secured when children are there."

I would not be offended by that statement...but when a new pediatrician asked me if we had firearms in our house, I told her it was none of her business. When she went on to explain that this was only in reference to protecting children, I then asked her why she didn't ask me if we had a swimming pool and if we did, was there a fence built to code that surrounded it?

She had an interesting look on her face with that question.

66 posted on 08/13/2012 4:45:53 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Vaquero

The barf alert was implicit in the title.


67 posted on 08/13/2012 4:48:56 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Gaffer

Precisely.


68 posted on 08/13/2012 4:50:45 AM PDT by MachIV
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69 posted on 08/13/2012 4:51:47 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: who knows what evil?
You came across as more arrogant than most North Easterners I know and I live here.
70 posted on 08/13/2012 4:55:06 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Ezekiel

Good points. What I’m illuding to is a certain element within the conservative Chrisitan community that are using Romans Chapter 13 as a commandment that requires the Christian to submit to government as long as they aren’t specifically asking you to do something directly contrary to scripture. I personally know Christians, even politically conservative, pro-American Christians who believe the American Revolution was a sin against God because of their interpretation of Romans 13, although they acknowledge that the nation has certainly been blessed by God inspite of the “sin”. No kidding.


71 posted on 08/13/2012 4:55:16 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: PowderMonkey

“On the laptop’s main screen displaying my medical records is my driver’s license photograph, obtained from the state’s division of motor vehicles. I did not give the doctor’s office my driver’s license photo.”

Wow, interesting. I can’t say I’m surprised. The key thing now is to be ready and play the game back. The more intrusive government is, the more people MUST be prepared to lie. In the Soviet Union, that was often the only way to stay out of the Gulags (i.e., basically death camps).

As an interesting aside, one of my kids had a really tough time writing an essay for the SAT - he would just freeze when we practiced and got a question like:

“Should people respect and tolerate everyone’s opinions, or should people take a stand against opinions they consider to be wrong? Plan and write an essay in which you develop your point of view on this issue. Support your position with reasoning and examples taken from your reading, studies, experience, or observations.” (pulled from a website)

I simply told him to lie and make up a stories for examples, and then to add a little left-wing twist (such as admiring Al Gore, Clinton, or Obama) - since it was likely a school teacher would be grading it. It worked and he did fine.


72 posted on 08/13/2012 4:55:34 AM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: Truth29

It could happen, although to make that data link accurately, they have to shut down private sales nationwide first, and that is certainly on the docket if Obama wins in November.


73 posted on 08/13/2012 4:59:11 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: Durus
You came across as more arrogant than most North Easterners I know and I live here.

So do I, sport...I have lived south and north and west and the people up here are far more arrogant than the south or west...we'll just have to disagree on this one...

74 posted on 08/13/2012 5:00:04 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: MestaMachine

Amen Brother.

She would ask me once and I would hit the door after telling her what I thought of her.

If she is rude enough to shove her liberal crap at me, I am rude enough to give her my answer.

She wil be fine in Massachusetts, most of her patients are as liberal as she is.


75 posted on 08/13/2012 5:00:16 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: who knows what evil?
Posted /& Listed....PROUDLY...

76 posted on 08/13/2012 5:10:08 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: Cvengr

Very insightful and thought provoking post (as usual), Cvengr! If a patient replies, “None of your d*mn business”.. they can note “angry response”. Even if the patient replies, “I refuse to answer” that can show “deceit and refusal” so essentially the answer is “yes”. I am thinking a simple, “no”. No long in depth answer .. just a simple lie. (sort of like my listed weight on my drivers license).


77 posted on 08/13/2012 5:10:20 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: MachIV
Tell your Christian friends that we aren't ruled by a Caesar anymore. (well...despite Obama). It is one thing to tell people to keep their heads down in a tyranny (which is what Romans Chapter 13 is really saying) and quite another to tell them to be subservient to tyranny. No man, king, emperor, president, or party Chairman deserves a Christian's subservience. We are only ruled by God and will only be judged by God.
78 posted on 08/13/2012 5:10:45 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: UncleHambone

Yep. She should ask anyone over the age of 70 if they are driving and if so, put it in the medical database so the government can take away their keys. That would save more people than taking away guns.


79 posted on 08/13/2012 5:12:20 AM PDT by gotribe
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To: who knows what evil?
NY'ers have absolutely RUINED New Hampshire

New Yorkers are like plague rats. They befoul everything they touch and spread the disease of liberalism wherever they go.

Case in point, my other home, Florida. Zero won Florida by about 236,000 votes. 312,000 new yorkers moved to Florida from 2000 to 2008. New Yorkers voted 63% for Zero. So if New Yorkers kept their voting patterns when they moved to Florida (and have you ever know a NYer to change their mind? They're SUPERIOR to those of us in "fly over country" and their opinions are superior don'tchaknow) then 196,000 of the 0bama votes in Florida came from New Yorkers. If you add massholes and New jerseymites who also moved to FL, then that is enough to have given 0 the state of Fl.

80 posted on 08/13/2012 5:14:01 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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