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The Top 8 Deadly Myths About Survivalism
Survival Mom ^ | 8/13/12 | Sheila

Posted on 08/15/2012 5:55:42 PM PDT by Kartographer

1. It’s just like camping.

2. You can buy enough food and supplies for forever.

3. Your neighbors will gather around and help each other.

4. If I buy enough gadgets (mini washing machine, generator, solar tracker) I’ll be OK

5. I can get to my survival location when TSHTF.

6. I can convince my “significant other” that this is the right move.

7. I don’t need to prepare a place. I’ll just grab my Bug-Out-Bag and find a cave somewhere.

8. My kids will be bored.


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Another good read from our own ChocChipCookie Lisa the Survival Mom!
1 posted on 08/15/2012 5:55:48 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 08/15/2012 5:56:58 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

“It’s just like camping.”
Camping out at the Little Big Horn,maybe.The urban zombies will be thicker than flies.


3 posted on 08/15/2012 6:02:34 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean
The urban zombies will be thicker than flies.

Not after two, three weeks tops. Self destruction and starvation should weed the herd significantly.

4 posted on 08/15/2012 6:08:11 PM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: Martin Tell

A lot can happen in two or three weeks.A lot can happen in two or three minutes.Or seconds....


5 posted on 08/15/2012 6:11:36 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Kartographer
3. Your neighbors will gather around and help each other. themselves.

If I see my neighbors collaborating, it'll be about how they can rip me off.

6 posted on 08/15/2012 6:13:32 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Kartographer

I just had a talk with some electronic experts today

old timers

been there/done that guys

REAL knowlegable

If we ever get the EMP like Iran is threatening, forget about faraday cages. They wont work. Dont even consider it.

food.water.ammo.seeds. Bibles.

not necessarily in that order.


7 posted on 08/15/2012 6:16:49 PM PDT by RaceBannon (I wont vote for a gay marriage marxist gun grabber, or vote for Obama, either)
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To: Kartographer
Rifle, Shotgun, handgun, ammunition (of which I have lots) & knife.
I will be able to hold out a long time.
Like the song says.
I can skin a buck and run a trot line.
This boy can and will survive.
8 posted on 08/15/2012 6:34:38 PM PDT by Tupelo (Sara Palin.............my write in vote for 2012)
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To: gundog
If I see my neighbors collaborating, it'll be about how they can rip me off.

Which leads me to add to the list:

9. You and your wife will be able to hold off a dozen or so angry, armed, and very hungry neighbors.

9 posted on 08/15/2012 6:35:27 PM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: Leaning Right

10. Wild life - squirrels, rabbits, deer, etc. - will be there for the picking.


10 posted on 08/15/2012 6:42:08 PM PDT by Ladysmith (The evil that's happening in this country is the cancer of socialism...It kills the human spirit.)
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To: Kartographer

If we have to resort to cannibalism .. . will vegans taste better?


11 posted on 08/15/2012 6:47:59 PM PDT by 2nd Amendment
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To: 2nd Amendment
If we have to resort to cannibalism .. . will vegans taste better?

Clowns will taste funny.

12 posted on 08/15/2012 6:52:06 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kartographer
2. You can buy enough food and supplies for forever.

This one is true. Given enough money, you can buy sufficient food and other supplies to last longer than you or your family will live.

You might have trouble storing it all, and keeping others from taking it from you, but you certainly can buy it.

13 posted on 08/15/2012 7:00:23 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Kartographer

I once heard someone say that he didn’t have to fool with all this survivalist stuff. He said all he needed was a gun and a list of Mormons.


14 posted on 08/15/2012 7:06:58 PM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Kartographer

“6. I can convince my “significant other” that this is the right move. “

Is that a myth as it cannot happen because my wife is all on board. It took a little coaching on current events but she saw the light very quickly.


15 posted on 08/15/2012 7:09:40 PM PDT by CodeToad (Anticipate their arrival...they won't.)
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To: CodeToad

Costco is selling SPAM 6 packs in Atlanta. Stock up, they last for years. SPAM the best currency you could ever offer.


16 posted on 08/15/2012 7:16:39 PM PDT by Broker (November... VICTORY or DEATH!!)
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To: Kartographer
I wonder what "survival mom" does about dentistry, medical emergencies, birth control, etc. They live "off the grid" but they don't really unless they cut all ties with modern society.

I figure if I have to give up my lifestyle and live in the 19th century, I'm preemtorially surrendering to a catastrophe that might or might not happen.

As far as holding off hungry neighbors goes. If they're that hungry, then they probably are poorly prepared and light on armament and if I have time to get the wire up, I can probably discourage them while they're held up in the wire.

Finally no catastrophe lasts forever. Look at New Orleans after Katrina. Roving bands of police thugs picked on weak and undefended homeowners, stealing their guns, but left the better defended neighborhoods alone. Eventually NO got back to normal (corruption violence and more corruption)

17 posted on 08/15/2012 7:17:17 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: NELSON111

From the comments

Davey
August 13, 2012 at 2:41 pm

Dear S-MOM,
You just made the best point I have heard yet. ‘ITS NOT LIKE CAMPING”. I had not heard of a bug out bag until recently, and when I first heard it I studied to learn what was meant by “bug out”, then I laughed. Not because such preparations are not wise. My vehicles carry enough supplies for comfort for a week in a blizzard on the roadside. I laughed because people think they will leave the city with a bag of supplies and go camping for the rest of their life. Or a year, or a month.

I lived in the Amazon (missionary) with a canoe, hammock, mosquito net and shotgun for a year. I came out of the jungle with malaria, ameobic dysentery, and I looked like a skeleton and was approaching death at age 27. I also camped in my younger years in extreme cold in the USA. I slept with bedding on the ground after wiping the snow away and snuggling my bedding into leaves.

I would be the first to say that a camping mentality is NOT SUSTAINABLE. The surburbanites will die if they think it is a camping trip. I actually would try to stay home and hold the fort if at all possible. Or relocate to a house of some sort as you have apparently done.

Blessings
David


18 posted on 08/15/2012 7:23:44 PM PDT by B4Ranch (There's Two Choices... Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered .)
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To: Ladysmith
10. Wild life - squirrels, rabbits, deer, etc. - will be there for the picking.

Oh really? And just how long you think the supply of wildlife will last once tens of millions of desperate hunters are out and about?

19 posted on 08/15/2012 7:36:29 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: from occupied ga

“I wonder what “survival mom” does about dentistry, medical emergencies, birth control, etc. They live “off the grid” but they don’t really unless they cut all ties with modern society.”

Well, of course, you’ll want to invite into your midst, people who possess essential skills!


20 posted on 08/15/2012 7:38:08 PM PDT by old school
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To: Leaning Right

Ha. The kind of plain stuff my husband and I eat, most of ‘em would turn up their noses at. Once this huge man and woman came into our store and took over the phone; called places complaining that they needed food - called churches, etc. I was alone and sorta scared. Fixed them up a bag with some canned tuna it it; the woman snorted that “they didn’t like tuna”. Oh well, I thought - I ate it. If it gets bad, the grubs and crawdads we’ll eat will gross them out.


21 posted on 08/15/2012 7:41:47 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: 2nd Amendment
If we have to resort to cannibalism .. . will vegans taste better?

Any recipes on making (cannibalism)jerky or maybe smoking will the best for the long term ? After a few weeks most of the wildlife will be gone have to eat something.

22 posted on 08/15/2012 7:42:59 PM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: old school
Well, of course, you’ll want to invite into your midst, people who possess essential skills!

Glendower:

I can call spirits from the vasty deep.

Hotspur:

Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do call for them?

23 posted on 08/15/2012 7:43:35 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Tupelo

I could skin a deer or goat in 20 minutes but need my air compressor. Guess that leaves me out....LOL
But have no doubt a country boy can survive......


24 posted on 08/15/2012 7:50:55 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Tupelo

The local forests will be empty of game in six weeks.

I can skin a buck...but they will be air bucks.


25 posted on 08/15/2012 7:51:13 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am NOT from Vermont. I am from MA. And I don't support Romney. Please read before "assuming.")
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To: from occupied ga

My favorite, and the greatest, play by Shakespeare.


26 posted on 08/15/2012 7:53:42 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: from occupied ga

A lot of menstural pads make good dressings for nasty deep wounds...One trip to the drug store you can stock up on band aids, tape ace wraps etc...


27 posted on 08/15/2012 7:55:57 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: old school
Actually I was referring to the quote from the article
For the last several years, our family, my husband Dan, our son Jesse and I, have been living what some may call the “survivalist” lifestyle.Actually, we live the off-grid (so far off the grid that there is no land line and no cell phone service available), self-sufficient life.
when I said I wonder what “survival mom” does about dentistry, medical emergencies, birth control, etc. My question was about her current "self sufficient" lifestyle I wonder what she currently does about these things. EG does she keep a bottle of Advil or two around the house, or does she use some infusion of herbs, etc.
28 posted on 08/15/2012 8:02:48 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: goat granny
A lot of menstural pads make good dressings for nasty deep wounds...

How well do they work on pneumonia, heart attacks and strokes?

29 posted on 08/15/2012 8:05:02 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: 2nd Amendment
If we have to resort to cannibalism .. . will vegans taste better?

It's easier for humans to process corn when they feed it to the hogs, then eat the hogs.

Hogs will eat zombies also.

30 posted on 08/15/2012 8:05:47 PM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: struggle

I’d argue about the greatest putting forth King Lear, but like beauty this is in the eye of the beholder


31 posted on 08/15/2012 8:08:24 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

NO got back to normal because the 82d Abn,~25,000 Title 32 National Guardsmen, and untold volunteers put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Basically we robbed peter to fix up paul. Not a good model when peter is dead or worried about his own self.

break break

My favorite SHTF question: What happens when the meth/cocaine/heroin distribution system breaks down?


32 posted on 08/15/2012 8:11:36 PM PDT by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: from occupied ga

Not to well on those, but you can buy penicillin at the tractor supply stores, but you got to get to the rural area’s for that, also sterile needles...When I was raising goats my refrigerator looked like it belonged in a doctors office. Tetrecycline, sulfa pills (called bolus) for animals...Use to order from a vets catalogue but could be bought in town. Cheaper to get it from a catalog...Same stuff the doctor gives you.....only he charges a small fortune for an injection...


33 posted on 08/15/2012 8:13:35 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: from occupied ga

>> “How well do they work on pneumonia, heart attacks and strokes?” <<

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Simple:

Pnuemonia, chew peeled garlic three to four times per day. (way more effective than any antibiotic, and doesn’t destroy your immune system)

Heart attacke and strokes, take tincture of capsaicin in a little water, under the tongue. (this works equally well for those that are unconsious)
In most cases they will have no lingering effects from the attack. For strokes, retreatment hourly for several hours is beneficial.

Cayenne (capsaicin) is also excellent at stopping bleeding.


34 posted on 08/15/2012 8:16:33 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: preacher
"I once heard someone say that he didn’t have to fool with all this survivalist stuff. He said all he needed was a gun and a list of Mormons."

They are Mormons, not pacifist. Many are armed as well, but I hear you. I’ve posted this a number of times, but here it is again:

I myself have posted warning about those I call “I’ve got lots of guns and plenty of ammo and I’ll just take what I need.” and the “I don’t prep because I don’t believe anything is going to happen, but if it does preppers should share with me.” types.

Anyone reading these peoples post can easily pick-up the anger in many of them and you will see that it’s not just the Libs that are shocked and infuriated by preppers. Now some the “I’ll take what I want crowd” when confronted will often back off saying things like “I was just joking”, but I don’t believe it. When I read their post I can’t help but think of this quote from one of my favorite westerns ’Open Range’: “Most times a man will tell you his bad intentions if you listen, let yourself hear.” I’ve ‘heard’ their intentions and they aren’t good.

The third type that I warn about are those who wish to bring God’s Armageddon into the discussion as if they know that it will be God’s will should some catastrophe befall us. They claim this despite the fact that the history of man is full of direr times which were caused by nature or man himself. History has shown us all too well that men do not need God to help them muck things up to a point were their fellows cry out for God to end it all and relieve them of their misery.

There will be many in this ‘its God’s will’ crowd who will want to see you punished as they will see your prepping as you trying to dodging God’s punishment. This group along with the “I don’t prep, but you should share” group will be among the first to report you and your ‘hoarding’ to the powers that be in their efforts to make sure you too suffer just as they do. The first group because as I said they see you as trying to escape the rightful wrath of God (as if they know the Lord’s mind) and the second because you proved them wrong.

You can be fairly certain that all three groups will hate you as they will be quick to blame you for the ‘troubles’ because in their twisted way of thinking your prepping brought the ‘troubles’ and therefore you need to be punished for your transgression.

As the article points out you need to keep in mind that OPSEC is not just for your Lib neighbors many people that you may think of as being conservative thinkers will be just as dangerous.

We have talked a lot about safety in numbers and that is so true, just remember that not all enemies sail under their true colors.

Beware these people, listen to their words carefully and “Listen, let yourself hear.” what they are saying.
35 posted on 08/15/2012 8:20:14 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: gundog

Keep your stuff divided in multiple places, and as inaccessable as possible, such as in crawl spaces, or buried vertical pipes.


36 posted on 08/15/2012 8:20:14 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Kartographer

Maybe the biggest myth is that preparing for when TSHTF costs money.
It saves money: Buying in bulk when prices are low. Everybody used to do that, it’s just good sense.


37 posted on 08/15/2012 8:20:44 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: redlegplanner

My point is that disasters end. Hurricanes, earthquakes, riots eventually end so you don’t have to raise your own food, kill the local wildlife, or eat your neighbors. You need enough supplies for a reasonable time frame even supposing that the disaster is so widespread that you resupply by getting in your vehicle


38 posted on 08/15/2012 8:24:38 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Broker

mredepot.com, canned meats that are excellent and of good value.


39 posted on 08/15/2012 8:25:26 PM PDT by CodeToad (Anticipate their arrival...they won't.)
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To: RaceBannon

Faraday cages will work well if they are grounded.

Cookie tins will protect small items that are in storage effectively. Garbage cans (steel with lids) good for larger stuff, like in the garage or shed. Grounding will make them more effective.


40 posted on 08/15/2012 8:27:30 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Ladysmith

>> “10. Wild life - squirrels, rabbits, deer, etc. - will be there for the picking.” <<

.
For a couple of days...


41 posted on 08/15/2012 8:29:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: from occupied ga

Glendower:

I can call spirits from the vasty deep.

Hotspur:

Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do call for them?


From “The Consultant”
(I have the whole book saved as a text file)


42 posted on 08/15/2012 8:30:26 PM PDT by RBK
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To: Sherman Logan

>> “and keeping others from taking it from you” <<

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Rats will likely win that argument.


43 posted on 08/15/2012 8:31:35 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
pnuemonia, chew peeled garlic three to four times per day. (

Too bad Jim Henson's doctors didn't know this groundbreaking therapy. We'd have a lot more kermit

Heart attacke and strokes, take tincture of capsaicin in a little water, under the tongue.

Seriously? You gotta be yanking my chain with this load

(this works equally well for those that are unconsious)

Now that I'm sure IS true.

44 posted on 08/15/2012 8:35:42 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Broker

Yes, spam is an excellent substitute for bacon, but it should be the high salt formula. The lower salt version doesn’t keep as well.

Olives and other things in brine will eat through their cans rather quickly compared to other canned goods. Corn keeps for 15 years or more, so do Garbanzo beans.


45 posted on 08/15/2012 8:36:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: from occupied ga

I am subject to correction and admonition, but I think that most SHTF scenarios are more serious than hurricanes etc. 15kt, EMP, and pandemic are all realistic threats. A winter slip of the New Madrid fault would turn us into east and west America for a while - longer than the normal 72 hour planning scenario. Cyber and bio war are probably presently limited to state actors, but not for long. Then again, there are some competent state actors who are not particularly friendly and might decide that knocking everyone back to 1900 would actually favor them. Bottom line - we are used to someone - the Sheriif, fire department , Red Cross FEMA, National Guard, 82d Abn etc, coming in to rescue us. There are reasonable scenarios where that aid does not arrive for an extended period or at all.


46 posted on 08/15/2012 8:37:33 PM PDT by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: goat granny
but you can buy penicillin at the tractor supply stores,

You don't see the irony in this statement?

47 posted on 08/15/2012 8:38:56 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: B4Ranch

>> “ I came out of the jungle with malaria, ameobic dysentery, and I looked like a skeleton and was approaching death at age 27.” <<

.
I’m surprised that as a missionary he was not informed about SSKI, which would have prevented the above, and a lot more.


48 posted on 08/15/2012 8:41:10 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Twinkie

Crawdads are fabulous eating! Little lobsters.


49 posted on 08/15/2012 8:44:16 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: redlegplanner
are all realistic threats

I just don't agree as to the probability of the stuff you're talking about.

or at all.

Even wars end.

50 posted on 08/15/2012 8:44:36 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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