Posted on 11/08/2012 12:19:42 AM PST by Mr170IQ
It's very hard to make the votes disappear altogether because at the very least every clerk and every judge is keeping a running count throughout the day in addition to the count that the machine registers. Also, as part of the GOTV effort, there are poll watchers and poll runners who're keeping lists of exactly who has come in to vote. If the machine tally did not agree with the hand tally, or if the final tally did not agree with what was recorded by the Secretary of State, red flags would go up immediately.
The missing votes could have been changed to 0bama votes by hacking the machines I guess, but the problem is, you then still have very low turnout numbers (the total of them + us isn't changeable.)
The fact that Romney's people have not issued any court challenges tells me that the people on their rolls for GOTV pretty much agree with the counts recorded by the Secretary of State in the various states. So, the only real possibility is Republican votes were changed. But, if so, 0bama's numbers would have to actually be down by at least 13,000,000. That doesn't seem very realistic to me.
I'm really just completely baffled by these turnout numbers...
Yes- I meant a strong conservative- example: like a Sharon Angle, Sarah Palin, Maggie Thatcher, Reagan, ect
A few days ago, someone posted a ballot from some other country here on FR. I can’t find it, but they are issued a number for verification purposes.
That is what we need.
Here is another reason Romney’s count was down, insanity rules. Precisely because he was a Morman, and they saw no difference in the two. So they vowed to write in JESUS, but they ended up getting the Devil. Over 2 million votes.
http://www.votingforjesus.com/
If you are on Facebook, follow a lady named Vicki McKenna. She lives in WI, and I believe is a talk show host. She posted pictures of Illinois buses at a polling place (Madison?) of people bussed in to vote from out of state. One city. One precinct.
Multiple that across the country...yeah, they were typical rats and rigged and stole this thing.
BTTT
Every judge of elections keeps a running count of the number of voters. Every clerk does as well. That count is compared with the machine count, and the submitted machine count is compared with the registered count. "Making" votes is very difficult in our system. Changing votes is another matter; in an optical reader it is impossible in practice for any election official to know that the recorded vote is the same as the vote punched in by the machine. Nevertheless, it is virtually impossible to create or destroy votes in the total counts. If there are a thousand votes, 500 'Pubs could be changed to 500 Dems, but 500 'Pub votes could not be deleted. Nor could 500 Dems be added.
In a dishonest precinct, it's possible (and likely) that votes were added but they would have to be added throughout the day, and all election officials would have to be in on the deception. That happens all the time in Philadelphia. But it is not "that many" votes. [Hold the flames: I'm not saying any election fraud is acceptable. I'm just telling those of you who don't know that even in a very dishonest precinct, adding a lot of votes is pretty difficult as a practical matter.] But anyway, this DOES address your issue, because, notice: our problem is not that too many Dems voted. Their numbers were WAY DOWN. WAY FURTHER DOWN THAN OURS. The problem is that too few Republicans voted. But a crooked election Judge in Philly has NO WAY TO REMOVE Republican -- or anybody else's -- votes.
Second, in States like OH and PA -- which are part of the battleground -- Republicans have poll watchers in every precinct (so do Dems.) They record the voters who have voted. Runners come to the polling places at routine intervals copy the lists, and GOTV phone banks make contact with the people in a precinct who have not voted. So there is in fact an additional check in the system; foiling that system would require Republicans to be involved in deep-sixing Republican hand tallies of who voted. That is NOT realistic.
Romney's people did not contest the vote counts. Therefore we have to assume that in places where the GOTV effort was active, they saw throughout the day that they were not reaching their registered voters and consequently they had no choice but to accept the outcome. If, on the basis of the poll watchers' lists the people who voted was wildly different from the expected polling result, we would be in a Florida situation as of about 10 PM on 11/6. We aren't.
Bookmarked for viewing after work.
Podcast of Vicki talking about o’care.... (plus more links, I see)
You are right Gran
but there were near 4 million republicans who stayed home.....
/.....and you almost cant blame them considering the crap candidate we were saddled with by the GOP and the MSM....
I had to use an industrial strength clothespin (springy kind)on my nose, to pull the lever for Romney...
What an invitation to fraud.
Perhaps Donald Trump would chip in the five million dollars The Kenyan did not get from him.
Oh please. You sound like a whiney Dem from 2004.
Hmmm, that doesn’t sound right :/
Any way to validate it (by court)?
Fred, the exchange of votes will accomplish the task, and invalidate the election. Election manipulation is executed by skillful people. Look at how easily Google hid the Supreme Court decisions edited by Center for American Progress CIO, Eric Malamud. When the left, and only the left, because the SEIU manages the voting network, they can be expected to maintain the count. This might have been a close election. We will never know, because that was the story promoted by the state-run media. Were I working for them that would be the message I would propogate to prepare the public for a reportedly close election.
Machines create an entirely unjustified feeling of confidence. They hide the intent of voters. Smart fraud perpetrators will maintain the count, as they failed to do in some districts of Ohio and Colorado, where there were ten percent more votes than registered voters. The details can only be guesses. What is not a guess, what we know with certainty, is that our voting system provides no audit trail in most cases, and, since what paper ballots there are have been under the control of the SEIU, no means of ascertaining the intent of our citizens.
I have been a poll watcher, which simply confirmed the helplessness of concerned citizens. The numbers of voters using absentee ballots ranges from about twenty to almost one hundred percent. Absentee ballots are counted by SEIU employees in most states. Obama was once a trainer for Project Vote, a Soros funded political organization. Does anyone doubt that the SEIU will report whatever will insure their incomes and pensions?
Republicans have been unwilling to aggressively address the security of our election system for reasons we can only guess at. Their laizzez faire approach to the kernel of the representation of the the wishes of citizens has all but given away our freedom to govern ourselves. We will pay and pay for ten thousand Solyndras, accept Sharia law, accept carbon taxes which the world's largest manufacturer, China, has declared complete nonsense, and has refused to accede to for China's airlines, promising to end air travel to and from Europe by China's airlines. Europe backed down, as they had to. But we will pay, because now we have no longer have the freedom to choose.
Without paper ballots and local counting, removing the count from unionized government thugs (and I have personally seen them threaten poll watchers who tried to stand behind them in absentee counting rooms), our path to Ortega-like socialism will accelerate. As companies fail at greater rates, and savings are destroyed by devaluation, desperation will set in. This is the brilliant plan by Cloward and Piven for the destruction of capitalism. What Cloward and Piven didn't understand, never having run a company or worked in the private sector, is that other nations saw what worked, and are replacing us, first with free markets, and eventually, with the social freedoms aroung which we were founded.
Electoral correction cannot happen for at least two years. With the extent of our corruption, that is a very long shot. Ayn Rand was remarkably prescient, but she saw the Bolschevic revolution destroy Russia. Conservatives will need to prevail in both houses, and have sufficient votes to overcome a certain veto, to impose a clean electoral system. The reality was shown when Republican gained state governorships. A measure of state sovereignty may be the only way to overcome the amazing corruption in our federal government.
As I made clear, this is possible. What is NOT possible is to lose votes (which we did) via fraud. And what is much more difficult than the conspiracy theorists realize is manufacturing votes on election day (which the enemy did.)
However, looking at the exit polling Demographics, and the preliminary who-voted-where precinct counts, it's pretty clear that contrary to our expectations, 0bama actually turned out his base. It was, after all is said and done, a base -- and therefore turnout -- election, and ours is shrinking.
Finally, you and I must agree to disagree about absentee ballot counting. I don't know where these are counted by SEIU. I've heard this repeated several times on FR. To my knowledge, this is untrue. In my state (PA) they are counted at the same time the other votes are counted: when the polls close, and by the same people: the election judge and his clerks, and they are counted in public before representatives of both parties. Those are usually lawyers, picked by their respective parties. And they aren't people who can be intimidated.
There's fraud. I don't dispute that. But if you think we lost this election because of fraud, expect to keep using that excuse, because we are going to keep losing elections as long as people believe that.
Bravo on your post 95.
Mitt had better change of winning than Juan McCain. This election was totally rigged, plain and simple. When David Axelrod said the GOP in deep trouble, that was it. The phony staged polls by the media made it not too obvious.
Adding votes is common. Look at all the precincts in Ohio with more votes than registered voters. Subtracting votes is also easy, because of absentee ballots. Many have dismissed the “conspiracy theories” related to voter fraud. Those are people who don't understand how completely vulnerable our voting system is. With no audit trail the best we can do is surmise, based upon polling or perceived enthusiasm, that something is not right. Verification is not possible. That is a crime.
As I mentioned in an earlier note, I have many relatives in Israel, many who were raised as communists and still subscribe to socialism. When Israel's very liberal News source, Haaretz reports that 89% of Israeli residents, US citizens, have reportedly voted for Romney, people who often spend half the year in the US, the reports of 69# of American Jews supporting Obama make no sense. American Jews are more religious than Israeli Jews, and they know that Christians are among their most important supporters. Our voting system has become a political tool. Obama’s early activities in politics were as a Project Vote trainer. These people know our voting systems inside and out. With so many vulnerabilities, and such secrecy around the process, it is foolhardy to assume honest elections.
Again, I designed auditable systems with which the FDA inspectors often found fault. I looked around my precinct and asked a few questions. The vulnerability was so flagrant that it would hard to tell where to begin. The scanner was connected to the Internet - fail! People working on government projects, government employees or not, may not be connected to the Internet. Was there local memory, flash perhaps in the scanner? No one knew. District employees would retrieve the scanners after the election - fail!
To some these may seem like small issues. For any kind of security these are fatal flaws, which could be addressed by local counts, trust placed in citizens who care about their neighbors, and secure paper ballots. Without that one must assume “conspiracies” because there is no way to learn the intent of those for and by whom this government was created.
This will show as people sense, correctly, that this government has a different agenda. The Constitution, our framers, insisted that our president be born to parents whose sole allegiance was to our Constitution. Our parties and our media decided that was not longer a relevant provision in today's world. Because of that we are losing our freedoms, and the myth of a voting system that reflects the will of the people is just that - a myth.
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