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How to Use Violence When Arguing with Liberals
Anonymous Conservative Blog ^ | January 19th, 2013 | Anonymous Conservative

Posted on 01/19/2013 6:13:45 AM PST by AnonymousConservative

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This is part of a long-running study on my site regarding how to argue with Liberals, using shaming tactics designed to make them feel as if they are about to be purged from the in-group for having aberrant psychological urges (AKA being out-grouped). I maintain it is more effective than logical debate, since Liberals don't use logic in debate - a fact reflected in the difference in cognitive function between those with low and high dopamine function, which I discuss here.
1 posted on 01/19/2013 6:13:49 AM PST by AnonymousConservative
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To: AnonymousConservative

Your mention of dopamine interests me for an interesting reason.

The parasite protozoa that causes toxoplasmosis is almost unique in selectively producing an enzyme that causes the brain of its host to secrete dopamine in the pleasure center of its brain. Specifically when the host experiences a stress or fear response to something. Thus the protozoa retrains its host to be attracted, even sexually stimulated, by things it should be afraid of.

This is essential to the reproductive cycle of the protozoa. It is consumed by rodents that it then infects, and retrains them to be strongly attracted to the smell of cat urine. The protozoa wants them to be eaten by a cat, because it can only reproduce in the gut of a feline.

However, the protozoa can and does infect humans as well. Including an estimated 11 million Americans.

Importantly, rodent and human brains have many aspects in common, including the use of dopamine. But since the protozoa secretes its enzyme not based on a particular fear, but fear in general, and intense fear especially, it raises the question.

Does the protozoa retrain their minds to be attracted to things that they fear, or should rightly fear?

Now let us consider liberals. Liberals despise our national friends, and embrace our enemies. They also reject a healthy, normal family and life, embracing things that are unwholesome and destructive.

But at the same time, they are unwilling to just “walk into the mouth of the cat” by themselves. They want everyone to have to follow them to their doom.

Are liberals infected by a protozoa? And if so, are their brains being controlled?


2 posted on 01/19/2013 6:38:15 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: AnonymousConservative

This would benefit with lots of examples of effective arguments.

I am still not certain about the boundaries of using such techniques when arguing with a liberal.


3 posted on 01/19/2013 6:39:04 AM PST by Gumdrop
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To: AnonymousConservative
...using shaming tactics designed to make them feel as if they are about to be purged from the in-group for having aberrant psychological urges...


4 posted on 01/19/2013 6:41:44 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: AnonymousConservative

I plan to read this in its entirety later. Some interesting ideas.

I agree totally about liberals not using logic in a debate. This has been my greatest frustration when trying to have an honest and open discussion with them. Regardless of how the debate unfolds, 90% of the time it ends when they run out of arguments, then play their trump card: “You’re mean.”

Translation: You, personally, are not mean, but your ideas are. Why? Because I don’t like them. So by extension, all Republicans and Conservatives are mean. So they are bad people. I’m not one of them. So I’m a good person. So now I feel good about myself.


5 posted on 01/19/2013 6:42:10 AM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: AnonymousConservative

Bump to read later


6 posted on 01/19/2013 6:44:41 AM PST by plsjr (<>< ... HIS will be done! (choose a "lesser evil"? NEVER AGAIN))
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To: AnonymousConservative

Perhaps you have more examples in your book of “how” to set up these situations ... It would help see the application of this in some easy examples. I was not familiar with k/r, perhaps a touch more definition there? Obviously a well thought out piece, hesitating to purchase the book because, frankly, I’m not sure I would understand it. You perhaps need to publish a K/R for Dummies book for the likes of me. :-)


7 posted on 01/19/2013 6:45:04 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (...and to the Republic for which it STOOD...)
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To: call meVeronica; TXDuke

Bump and ping...


8 posted on 01/19/2013 6:46:37 AM PST by call meVeronica
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To: AnonymousConservative

Good piece. However I might add something that sums up your entire piece:

“the fourth rule carries within it the fifth rule: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” - Alinsky

The way you beat a liberal is to ridicule the lib. We give liberals a pass. The most effective statement against a liberal in the last 20 years was Joe Wilson’s “you lie” comment made to Obama on the house floor. It drove the liberals nuts and opened pandoras box.

That’s how you win.


9 posted on 01/19/2013 6:48:38 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (I own a weapon to protect my family from those wanting to take that weapon away.)
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To: AnonymousConservative

Let’s back up for a second. What exactly is the objective here? To correct liberals’ faulty thinking? To make them abandon their position against their own convictions? Or to merely shut them up?


10 posted on 01/19/2013 6:56:04 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks AnonymousConservative.
...His perception was that every interaction must have a component which will shame the Liberal. It must have some aspect which the Liberal will not want anyone else to see. Of course the reason that such a component would be shameful, is due to the fact that if it became widely known, the Liberal would be out-grouped. It is the threat of being out-grouped which motivates the Liberal to abandon Liberalism.
And what exactly *shames* a liberal???


11 posted on 01/19/2013 7:00:44 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: AnonymousConservative

I studied aberrant psychology in college. Your findings here are very interesting to note and I believe that there’s more to it than just making Liberals believe that they are in danger. Liberals suffer from an inability to process information independently. This isn’t a pathology per se but a predisposition to follow as opposed to lead. They want to be feel as if they are a part of a larger organism and not specifically alone in the universe.

Conservatives in general make up for this and understand their place in the cosmos thanks to a healthy appreciation and fear of God and more specifically the unknown. They are willing to face the world as an individual because they understand that God is with them. As such this breeds a sense of self-esteem and individualism thanks to the affirmation that they can tackle many things alone and anything in a group of like minded individuals.

In many ways I believe today’s Republican Party has been overrun by liberals since the conventional mindset of self-preservation and individualism has been replaced by a sort of groupthink led by the GOPe. If we don’t start reframing our arguments in the way that our founders understood them, we might find ourselves all alone in a sea of lemmings.


12 posted on 01/19/2013 7:04:17 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Joe Wilson should be the Speaker of the House.


13 posted on 01/19/2013 7:06:10 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

> Are liberals infected by a protozoa? And if so, are their brains being controlled?

Sure seems like it sometimes. Makes you wonder if O has had some scientists invent a mind control device that can be used to control liberal minded people. If they succeed in stripping firearms from the public you know an implant is not far behind...


14 posted on 01/19/2013 7:16:22 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: AnonymousConservative

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

Excellent series of articles!


15 posted on 01/19/2013 7:37:41 AM PST by BallandPowder
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To: LearsFool

“Let’s back up for a second. What exactly is the objective here? To correct liberals’ faulty thinking? To make them abandon their position against their own convictions? Or to merely shut them up?”

That’s a great question that can get lost in the scientific jargon and argument presented above. I am not the author of this piece but I interpret the objective to be making liberals experience fear of embarassment and isolation from their social support. If they feel they don’t fit in with the libs, they may seek to belong within conservative society.

Fear of harm or loss of security is shown in the research cited as an influence on adopting conservative views. This may indicate that the fear forced a lack of fit to liberal views and, not wanting to be without a group to feel a part of, the frightened individuals adopted a more conservative orientation. This is somewhat different from the more rational interpretation that fear of danger knocked some sense into those liberal fools and woke them up to the logic of conservatism.

Of course, I am just interpreting the author’s work and am not familiar with the arguments presented. I hope the author can clarify and I apologize for any misinterpretation.


16 posted on 01/19/2013 7:38:29 AM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Great Minds Think Alike? Pull the paper here, which also discusses how T. gondii infects the amygdala of the host preferentially, and how Liberals exhibit diminished amygdala development on MRI.

http://www.anonymousconservative.com/modern.pdf


17 posted on 01/19/2013 7:47:24 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: AnonymousConservative

Whoah. Fascinating...and scary..I read more at the site, and it makes a lot of sense, especially with the stimulation (and overload) of electronic media and dopamine levels.

I feel a little used...or more like... controlled.


18 posted on 01/19/2013 7:47:36 AM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: Gumdrop

Try clicking on the Mike Wallace link in the article above, for a link to a video of the technique in action. The effect on Wallace is pretty stunning.


19 posted on 01/19/2013 7:47:49 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: smoothsailing

LOL. That is hilarious.


20 posted on 01/19/2013 7:48:42 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: generally

If I am correct in what I have observed, it is not only about feeling good about themselves, but it is also about winning the argument, not by logic, but by socially out-grouping you as mean.

In the link on dopamine, they looked at people’s brains as they completed tasks. High dopamine function was task oriented, as in using logic to search for truth. Low dopamine function was active in much different areas, areas associated with perceiving self, and maneuvering socially.

The Liberal portrays you as mean, to make others ally with them, against you. If you actively seek to ally others with you, against them, and they detect this, they back down, rather than get out-grouped.


21 posted on 01/19/2013 7:52:48 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I agree! The first thing I do when speaking with a lib whether one-on-one or in front of other people is to restate their argument in a simple, obviously silly way, that subtly requires an embarrasing response. Such as, “I absolutely agree. Have you posted your ‘gun free zone’ poster on your house yet?” Or, “You couldn’t be more correct! The government should provide a minimum annual salary, pay for all your medical care, provide free day care, and put cash barrels on every street corner. I forgot, what was your college major?”

Ridicule of liberal ideas should be unrelenting, incessant. Never let them go without embarrassment or the fear of being embarrassed for lack of common sense. Remember, the fear of embarrassment is a fear that one is not intelligent. That fear is very powerful. Always think of ways to make libs fear the feeling of being unintelligent. That fear can quickly make them change their opinions.


22 posted on 01/19/2013 7:54:38 AM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag
I want to be clear, there is no arguing, or psychological manipulation in the book. This is solely on the website now, though it will become a book someday.

The book is solely about how the ideologies evolved, and is rock solid scientifically. The arguing stuff is somewhat speculative (even though what little evidence there is supports it), hence it being firewalled form the book.

Click the r/K link in the header of my site, or go here for the simple version. Or check this graphic.


23 posted on 01/19/2013 7:58:50 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Yep. Dead on.


24 posted on 01/19/2013 8:00:09 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: AnonymousConservative

That would explain why they loved to “gang up” on me at work. It would also explain why they tended to back down if even one person was on my side or even if they merely acknowledged that I had a valid point.

I am reading your r/K link.

This is all very interesting. Conservatives should learn to use this information effectively. Instead, our elected “conservatives” suck up to the perceived in-group and vote with them in order to be seen as “nice.”

Maybe we need to (among other things) hammer on the idea that liberals are being “mean” and “judgmental” when they try to attach those labels to us!


25 posted on 01/19/2013 8:02:37 AM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: LearsFool

Honestly, I’m not entirely sure myself. Evidence shows individuals go Conservative on questionaires, when shown images of threat. I suspect they are adapting their thought process to be more Conservative reflexively, since Conservatism is more adaptive under such conditions. But I can’t rule out they are just taking cover, and hoping not to get hurt in the coming melee. Maybe some are one and some are the other. My feeling is, either way, it means less Liberalism, so why look too closely?


26 posted on 01/19/2013 8:03:28 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

“And what exactly *shames* a liberal???”

Anything which poses a threat ot their social standing in the group. In the video with Mike Wallace linked at the page which is linked in the piece above, Wallace goes on and on about the Liberal’s right to help enemy troops ambush US troops, so as to be able to report on how the enemy operates. Logic won’t persuade him for fifteen minutes.

Then a Marine castigates him as a helpless traitor, ignoring all the moral bull, and Wallace is suddenly a crushed man, and cedes that the Marine has a perfectly valid point. The argument was over. You have to see the video, to see his change in mood, and mental state. I mean, he was done.

When you ignore logic, and outcomes, and focus your argument just on how the Liberal is contemptible by standards of human decency, the Liberal experiences a panic response called an amygdala hijack, and withdraws from the debate.

I have seen it done, and done it myself.


27 posted on 01/19/2013 8:09:39 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: rarestia

I totally agree.


28 posted on 01/19/2013 8:11:05 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: BallandPowder

Thank you. I have been working on all of this for a long time, it is nice to see some people enjoy it.


29 posted on 01/19/2013 8:12:11 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: AnonymousConservative

Regarding r/K. It is interesting that typical liberal behavior is to reproduce like rabbits, favoring promiscuity and single parenting and the “rights” of welfare recipients to have as many children as possible, yet they are the ones preaching doom and gloom about the carrying capacity of the earth. On the other hand, liberal “elites” often have few children and behave much more like K-types. And the stereotypical “bitter clinger” has a large family.

I think you can look at “reproduction” in another way, too, not just as physically reproducing. Think about reproduction as “converting” someone to your view, i.e., changing a liberal into a conservative or vice versa. Do we use the careful high investment nurturing method while they are using the scattershot promiscuous method? I think so. They get to use the schools and the media while we carefully raise our children and logically debate points with those we think have a hope of seeing the truth.

... still reading ...


30 posted on 01/19/2013 8:16:50 AM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: LearsFool

My opinion only.

In a conversation with one of my brothers just yesterday we touched on this very topic. In the course of the discussion I used the old saw that begins, “You can lead a horse...” as a prelude to a long held belief - that post-modern leftists don’t (can’t?) argue using reason - they rely on emotion.

When you couple that with another phenomena peculiar to the left - the complete and utter lack of shame - you have people that you can neither reason with nor appeal to their sense of honor.

That leaves me with but one alternative - fear of consequence. “Get away from me or I’ll kill you” Perhaps an oversimplification but the principles at play are accurate.

The direct answer to you question is “merely shut them up”. They are welcome to think (feeeeeeeeel) any cockeyed notion they want - as long as they keep it to themselves. Make them contemplative of the fact that if they choose to act out there will be painful consequences for them.

IMHO


31 posted on 01/19/2013 8:18:31 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: iacovatx

You are dead on. Although I will add one thing. Ideology seems to be associated with a brain structure called the amygdala, which develops in response to threat. Basically, as you experience danger, and learn how to cope with it, your amygdala develops, and if the MRI studies are any measure, you become more Conservative.

In some ways, Liberals may deny reality as a way of shielding the amygdala, by avoiding risk. Threat stimuli, like the article describes, may say risk can no longer be ignored, and thus one has no choice but to prepare oneself to deal with it, mentally. Once neurologically prepared to confront risk, Conservatism may be more acceptable to you.


32 posted on 01/19/2013 8:19:03 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: Thorliveshere

I know what you are saying.


33 posted on 01/19/2013 8:20:36 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: generally

Exactly. I think if we can learn to argue emotionally, and out-group the Liberal in debate, they will back down. As it stands now, we argue facts, and I think the Liberal marvels at our stupidity, as they then argue to amass support behind them. In their opinion, what use is our being right, if they have the support to make the decision?

We need to argue for that popular support, and go shot for shot with the Lib.


34 posted on 01/19/2013 8:23:13 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: generally

“yet they are the ones preaching doom and gloom about the carrying capacity of the earth.”

If you look at r/K, the Malthusian scenario, where resources run out, and people fight for what is left, is K-selection, and it would quickly result in a lot of dead Liberals. I think they see that instinctively, and that is why we have to all consume less, and make sure there is enough for everyone. The second there is not enough grass for all the bunny rabbits, Liberals will become much less common, and the very thought of having to fight for resources terrifies them.

“On the other hand, liberal “elites” often have few children and behave much more like K-types.”

If you combine a conscientious r-selected’s low desire to rear, with birth control and abortion (Both about as low-investment a rearing strategy as you get) you get a single mom with no kids, or the modern Liberal female today.

“And the stereotypical “bitter clinger” has a large family.”

Large by what standards? If there were no birth control, as in the primitive scenario where this evolved, and everyone had promiscuous sex all the time, women could have twenty or thirty kids, or more. Six or eight is small, by those standards.

A lot of this has to be looked at in the primitive environment where it came from, as opposed to today. Some of the urges, though perfect for the natural environment, are highly maladaptive when combined with modern technology. Give us a few thousand years, and we will adapt, but for now, birth control is a new selective pressure actively culling intelligent Liberals, and leaving behind large swaths of indigent idiots who turn out kids as fast as they can.

Eventually, we will adapt, but until then, this all has to be seen in the context of the more primitive environment it came from.

“Think about reproduction as “converting” someone to your view, i.e., changing a liberal into a conservative or vice versa.”

Interesting. I have never thought about that. Maybe flooding the cities with welfare floods the poor with dopamine, which foments Liberalism and entitlement.


35 posted on 01/19/2013 8:39:57 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: rockrr

I like to think of that as the ultimate application of evolutionary psychology! Just Kidding, Mods.

Mark my words, if ever we came to the brink of Revolutioanry War II, it would not take much real fighting, before most Liberals fell into Stockholm Syndrome, and abandoned the fight. I would not be surprised to see them become ardent Conservatives overnight.

TC, brother.


36 posted on 01/19/2013 8:43:51 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: AnonymousConservative
Sounds like blog-flogging and vanity to me = BS amplified.

In argumentation nothing beats common sense and white-hot Truth.

37 posted on 01/19/2013 8:56:44 AM PST by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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To: AnonymousConservative

This behaviorist claptrap is a thinly veiled call to mafia type extortion and bullying. We have civilization in the first place in order to lessen chronic high threat scenarios. This may be hard to take for a lot of right wing adrenaline junkies, but the human mind actually functions more inventively in a low threat, high freedom environment. Compare the standard of living in the Soviet Union vs. the West. Thanks, but I think I’ll pass on the goose stepping goonery of K threat as a rhetorical device. Pavlovian stimulus-response training may be good for circus animal acts, but it’s utter hell on one’s self-image as a free, sentient, sovereign individual. You want survival advantage, make yourself smarter, make your kids smarter, make your government representatives smarter.


38 posted on 01/19/2013 9:19:37 AM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: AnonymousConservative

This behaviorist claptrap is a thinly veiled call to mafia type extortion and bullying. We have civilization in the first place in order to lessen chronic high threat scenarios. This may be hard to take for a lot of right wing adrenaline junkies, but the human mind actually functions more inventively in a low threat, high freedom environment. Compare the standard of living in the Soviet Union vs. the West. Thanks, but I think I’ll pass on the goose stepping goonery of K threat as a rhetorical device. Pavlovian stimulus-response training may be good for circus animal acts, but it’s utter hell on one’s self-image as a free, sentient, sovereign individual created in God’s image. You want survival advantage, make yourself smarter, make your kids smarter, make your government representatives smarter.


39 posted on 01/19/2013 9:20:22 AM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: imardmd1

If I want to convince you, specifically, in debate, that is what I would use.

But bear in mind, you have people who think the answer to a mass murderer killing children is to establish a gun free zone around a school, and make the penalty a misdemeanor. How much do you think logic and white hot truth will affect those idiots? Liberals think differently. fMRI’s show their brains are lighting up differently. Psychological tests show different cognitive characteristics. Even MRIs of their brains show structural differences.

I suspect that the difference between us is, I ran into a gross defective, and saw just how differently another person can think. It can almost be like they are a different species, detached from logic. Once that happens, all the logic and white hot truth won’t do a thing. You need to know what hurts them, and how to apply it.

Just out of curiosity, do you have a really smart sibling?


40 posted on 01/19/2013 9:21:33 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

“....a lot of right wing adrenaline junkies”

“goose stepping goonery of K threat”

Notice, the mere talk of threat freaked you out enough you exposed yourself. That is amygdala, and you can’t think clearly with it going off in your head. I’m not even sure you understood what I wrote, from your reply.

Here’s how it will go. The Conservative machine will ignore me, and continue to play nice, because they are idiots. Leftism will continue to advance for a short while longer, and then we will be back in Lord of the Flies, because Liberals have screwed up our finances so bad, government will basically be cut back to nothing but national defense.

It will happen much sooner and much faster than anyone thinks, because as Kyle Bass has noted, when it is this big, everybody lies, and things are always worse than they are portrayed, by a lot.

Get ready for the threat environment.

And thanks for playing.


41 posted on 01/19/2013 9:31:27 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: jsanders2001

In liberal arts colleges, part opf the brain is replaced with a Borg implant.

Intelligence is irrelevant
Reason is futile.


42 posted on 01/19/2013 9:42:25 AM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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To: AnonymousConservative

You forgot the RINOs, but I am thinking they would either be Opportunistic Weasels who pretend to be K selected by in reality are r selected.


43 posted on 01/19/2013 9:44:09 AM PST by GraceG
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To: AnonymousConservative

What is a “K-selective environment?” I hate it when people use jargon and fail to tell me what it means. I skipped the rest of your potentially good article because of this.


44 posted on 01/19/2013 9:50:29 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: AnonymousConservative

You are dead on. Although I will add one thing. Ideology seems to be associated with a brain structure called the amygdala, which develops in response to threat. Basically, as you experience danger, and learn how to cope with it, your amygdala develops, and if the MRI studies are any measure, you become more Conservative.

In some ways, Liberals may deny reality as a way of shielding the amygdala, by avoiding risk. Threat stimuli, like the article describes, may say risk can no longer be ignored, and thus one has no choice but to prepare oneself to deal with it, mentally. Once neurologically prepared to confront risk, Conservatism may be more acceptable to you.

One thing that struck me was the whole attack on the amygdala of conservatives recently in the media. In certain scientific articles recently they said that the Conservatives were “obviously more primitive because their Amygdala was a lot larger and thus more primitive” and that the liberal mind was superior because their “primitive part of their brain was smaller”. However this is predicated upon the false narrative that the Amygdala is what makes one primitive and is only as these articles put it “an organ of fear”.

You grasp the idea that this part of the brain is very much needed for actually DEALING with fear and coordinating with the rest of the brain in coming up with solutions. Thus someone with an underdeveloped amygdala would in essence “short circuit” as they never really develop this part of the brain. Seems to be a link with neural plasticity, as in the whole adage “if you don’t use it you lose it” and as such it could be liberalism is nothing more than people learning incorrectly at a young age to avoid certain things that then cause their brain to wire itself into the patterns of liberalism. Of course there could be a genetic component to neural plasticity as well making some people more prone to it if they were not raised right. This could also be why the welfare state is a self perpetuating meme that builds itself up in time when resources are not an issue. Welfare creates large pastures for rabbits where they can roam free and not have to worry about the wolves called reality, thus leading the people to be raised there to never have to exercise that part of their brain they need in a k selection scenario...

What I also find funny is the whole gist of these articles on how bad it is to have a large amygdala seem to be a liberal attempt at “outgrouping” conservatives by trying to make them feel they are part of a small group who is primitive and “no longer needed” it is astounding to me how ironic this after reading your material.

Just some musings on this, very good and fascinating stuff... I will try to remeber this next time I am taking to some liberal acquaintances.


45 posted on 01/19/2013 10:00:19 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Cyber Liberty

Sorry about that. I write these things for a blog community that follows me, and as a result, I forget to explain the basic stuff. Thank you for pointing it out. In the future I will alter the posts on FR to include basic stuff.

In evolutionary biology, K-selection is a condition where there are not enough resources to go around. It creates a selection pressure which culls the population for a specific psychology, namely competitive, monogamous, two-parent rearing, sexually protective of children, and loyal to the in-group which is needed to compete and avoid being denied resources (and killed).

Its opposite is r-selection, which is a condition of free resource availability, where competition with peers is unnecessary. It produces the opposite psychology, namely docile, and competition averse, promiscuous, single parenting, children have sex as early as possible, and there is no loyalty to in-group, since the in-group is not needed to get food. It becomes more personally selfish.

I maintain Liberalism and Conservatism are two psychologies which arise in humans, to adapt us to r or K environments in our civilizations. Let a civilization succeed, and produce free reproduce availability, and the population will go r, and Liberalism will rise. Liberalism carries with it several illogical aspects, which will then crash the civilization, and return it to a K-selected model, which will then grow more Conservative.

You can see the graphic above for a visual represnetation.


46 posted on 01/19/2013 10:03:38 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: GraceG

You are correct, and very perceptive.


47 posted on 01/19/2013 10:03:59 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: Fred Hayek

LOL.


48 posted on 01/19/2013 10:04:26 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: Thorliveshere

Whoah. Fascinating...and scary..I read more at the site, and it makes a lot of sense, especially with the stimulation (and overload) of electronic media and dopamine levels.

I feel a little used...or more like... controlled.

The old saying “A man is an Island” rings true as in if you don’t become a victim of clicks and group think you truly can become independent!


49 posted on 01/19/2013 10:04:52 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Fred Hayek

In liberal arts colleges, part of the brain is replaced with a Borg implant.

Intelligence is irrelevant
Reason is futile.

Yeah, Borg are the apex of collectivism...


50 posted on 01/19/2013 10:07:26 AM PST by GraceG
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