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Given A Choice, Would I Choose To Live In A World With No Gun Control, Or With ‘Reasonable’ Gun
Extrano's Alley, a gun blog ^ | 12 May, 2013 | Stranger

Posted on 05/13/2013 9:06:48 PM PDT by marktwain

“A Dude From The Rainy Left Coast” asks if I would prefer to live in a world with no gun controls or one with reasonable gun controls, and why.

We had a world with no gun controls, once. A world in which you could hop a coastwise trader in New Orleans, and get off in any port north of Guyana. With your life preserver hanging on your belt, and without as much as a raised eyebrow from anyone.

A world where wide areas of the world had four or five murders a year for every million population. Most as a result of some dude violating, or attempting to violate, the ‘unwritten law against adultery.”

That was a world where a man who wanted to could cut a stout walking stick in Calais, put a life preserver in its holster, and walk to Moscow and beyond. With the good wishes of everyone he met, including the border guards.

Today, we have what generations past called “reasonable gun control.” While gun control laws have become less strict, and violence has responded by becoming less frequent, we know what the results of “reasonable gun control” are. Sky high murder and violent crime rates as well as overmuch government hostility.

Within reason, you can have any violent crime rate you want by manipulating the gun laws. Absolute gun bans result in violent crime rates as bad as Venezuela. Or worse.

Semi-absolute gun bans with large quantities of forbidden weapons coming in from the outside results in Chicago.

And so on down the severity scale until you get to Kansas City, 1895. Which needed only modern health care and sanitation to be a near ideal place to live. And to live without idiotic, and enforced, restrictions on who could buy a gun, or where they could take it.


TOPICS: Education; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; history; noguncontrol; secondamendment
I remember a world without gun control, or nearly so. Crime rates were low. We did not lock our doors. Anti-Aircraft guns and Anti-tank guns and ammo could be ordered through the mail without a license. It was only 45 years ago.
1 posted on 05/13/2013 9:06:48 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“Gun control” is only needed if you live in a world without God.


2 posted on 05/13/2013 9:11:10 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If you think ObamaCare is a train wreck, wait until you see the amnesty bill.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Gun control is never needed. Not even then. Think about it, if everyone in the entire world followed the 10 commandments. There would be no need for any type of weapon. Therefore, the closer to God the world is, the less guns are needed.


3 posted on 05/13/2013 9:24:04 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: marktwain
HS students could leave handguns and rifles in their vehicles, kids could visit each other's homes and shoot guns in the nearby woods and nobody was assaulted.

(Of course nobody lived in a broken home or was on welfare.)

4 posted on 05/13/2013 9:24:50 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

When I was in elementary school, my older brother in High School would bring his .22lr rifle ont ehschool bus so he could participate in rifle club after school. I carried the box of fifty rounds for him because I had a lunch box ... and the rounds were 25 cents a box!


5 posted on 05/13/2013 9:26:57 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: FreedomStar3028
There would be no need for any type of weapon.

Don't know about that. Last 5 times I pulled a trigger and very sincerely meant it, it was a rattlesnake very nearby, like at my feet.

And once at a skunk. Never shoot a skunk with snakeshot from a .38. Ever. Bad idea.

/johnny

6 posted on 05/13/2013 9:31:16 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: marktwain

That reminds me of the great quote: “An Armed Society is a Polite Society”. Gun control reverses that.


7 posted on 05/13/2013 9:36:09 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: marktwain

There is no “reasonable” way to violate people’s rights.

Liberal Vermont has constitutional carry, is it the murder capital of the world? No.


8 posted on 05/13/2013 9:37:32 PM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: marktwain

9 posted on 05/13/2013 9:37:47 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
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To: MHGinTN

Yep, my older Brother was in the Gun Club at his School.

The carried his .22 Rifle to School (in a rifle case) and nobody gave him a second look. This was on Long Island, NY in the late 50’s.


10 posted on 05/13/2013 9:38:10 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Obama / Clinton Benghazi (4), Ted Kennedy (1), my Gun Collection (0)...)
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To: mylife

Wow!!


11 posted on 05/13/2013 9:44:51 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: laplata

And USPS would ship it to your door!


12 posted on 05/13/2013 9:47:41 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

What do you recommend shooting skunk with? I have some pesky ones around.


13 posted on 05/13/2013 9:50:52 PM PDT by Argus
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To: laplata

BTW, those would be classed as a destructive device today, and would not be legal unless you had the papers, or you had converted it to .50 BMG


14 posted on 05/13/2013 9:50:52 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
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To: Argus

.22lr to the brain. They will not release their scent if they get ‘corked’. Done it several times around these parts, when a skunk is seen out roaming in the mid day (uusually rabid when they do that).


15 posted on 05/13/2013 9:54:38 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: marktwain

I would prefer to live in a world with no gun controls because I never carried a key to our house until I was 15 or 16. The vehicle keys were always left in the cars and trucks. Car trunks had a button to push to open them and they were always unlocked.

My Grandpa’s house on the edge of town didn’t even have a lock on any of the doors. He was a cop for quite a few years and never drew his revolver from the holster when he was in uniform.

Until drugs came on the scene we never had a use for locks. Let’s start shooting drug dealers.


16 posted on 05/13/2013 10:03:10 PM PDT by B4Ranch (http://www.theycometoamerica.com/)
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To: mylife

BTW, those would be classed as a destructive device today, and would not be legal unless you had the papers, or you had converted it to .50 BMG


That’s right.

My Dad had a 3 star general friend from World War II and he would bring us all sorts of goodies in the early ‘60’s. Living on a 30,000 acre ranch had it’s benefits.


17 posted on 05/13/2013 10:04:37 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: B4Ranch

Let me know the season opens. I’ve got some nice tools to harvest the vermin.


18 posted on 05/13/2013 10:05:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: laplata

20mm?


19 posted on 05/13/2013 10:07:06 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
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To: marktwain

My choice is none. Who makes the determination of “reasonable”?

I have mine, you have yours. Someone gets out of hand, we take care of them.


20 posted on 05/13/2013 10:09:52 PM PDT by Spruce
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To: JRandomFreeper

My son had to learn that the hard way; with a 12 gauge, #6 shot at close range, about 25 feet.
If he would have just called me and asked, I would have told him to get back at least 30 yards.
Kids , what can you do.


21 posted on 05/13/2013 10:12:18 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Argus

Scoped 22 long rifle at about 40 to 60 yards, get them in the brain box and no stink.


22 posted on 05/13/2013 10:16:53 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: MHGinTN; 5th MEB

Thank you gentlemen.


23 posted on 05/13/2013 10:23:48 PM PDT by Argus
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To: mylife

.50 He only “borrowed’ them from Ft. Bliss a couple of times but it was exciting for 10 to 15 year old boys. He bought us a lot of ammo.


24 posted on 05/13/2013 10:25:32 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Argus

And keep the dog inside while you’re setting up. Don’t ask me how I learned that.


25 posted on 05/13/2013 10:25:58 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

Dog got spritzed four times already. Thanks.


26 posted on 05/13/2013 10:27:42 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Argus

Yeah. It’s...uh...never mind.


27 posted on 05/13/2013 10:29:21 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Paladin2

I lived in a rural area and people didn’t even secure their firearms, they were hanging on open racks in unlocked vehicles and homes. I never heard of anyone stealing firearms. Everyone I knew had those rifle racks in the back window of pickups, always at least one rifle in it, even in my high school parking lot. People I knew didn’t even secure firearms from children, I grew up being able to access them at any time. My dad had a pretty severe firearms training program at our house- I guess most did. I never knew any children that had firearms accidents either, I did hear about a few on the news but never personally knew of any.


29 posted on 05/13/2013 10:46:02 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: mylife

“buy them buy the case of 20 barrels - $75”


30 posted on 05/13/2013 10:51:50 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: mylife

“Thompson 50 rd. magazine - $14”


31 posted on 05/13/2013 10:53:28 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: marktwain

i always held a reasonable gun is what the cops or feds carried.

for reliability reasons, and so that if i ever had to use such a gun, if i owned any, i was using what the cops used, and wasn’t trying to appear to use ‘more gun’ than what the cops believed they needed - freaking trial lawyers mentality.


32 posted on 05/13/2013 10:59:43 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: MHGinTN

rabid skunks’are’a’problem, as is any rabid thing,

some people actually keep em as’pets, great documentary was done on them. learned a lot about them in general.


33 posted on 05/13/2013 11:03:57 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: B4Ranch

and the druggies, once they ran out of money, started breaking and entering to steal anything not bolted down.


34 posted on 05/13/2013 11:05:06 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: mylife; Squantos; g'nad; Ramius; osagebowman
Good for sod poodles, and not much else. Now a 20mm Lahti semi-auto anti-armor rifle from the late 1930s is series firepower.

Saw one belonging to the son of a MI supreme court justice about 20 years ago. I drooled from a safe distance (he had about 200 rounds of assorted ammo, too), but told him, very loudly that he at least had federal audio and video running. I think they trusted he couldn't run very far with it. He even said I could take it home, because I was good for the $2K he was asking, even though he never saw me before in his life. We met up through a mutual acquaintance.

The weapon was in immaculate shape, with top-notch workmanship. It was also totally complete with skis for the bipod, a towing harness, and the complete wooden shipset for all of the pieces it would take to maintain it at the depot level. I think the top-mounted box magazine held ten rounds, and he had a few dozen of those too. The Finns called the big box that held everything, including the rifle as "the coffin".

I mentioned once again, very loudly, how I appreciated seeing his toy, but it was beyond my means, even if free. I made a wide circle around the Lahti, saw myself out the door, and hauled ass from the ritzy part of Ann Arbor. Never did get a knock on the door. A single fingerprint would probably got me a different outcome.

Still, he was a persistent salesman, and as I was spraying gravel during my escape for the family estate, he yelled that if I came back in a few weeks, he'd have his cherry MP40 with several crates of NIB mags, but it was at one of their Arizona ranches at that moment.

35 posted on 05/14/2013 12:18:13 AM PDT by 300winmag (Whatever CAN go wrong has already happened. We just don't know about it yet.)
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To: Argus

skunks are adorable, lovely sweet creatures. Please don’t shoot them. Just leave them a bit of cut up fruit or vegetables on paper plate - skuns are easily tamed, and they bring good luck.


36 posted on 05/14/2013 12:50:24 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: 300winmag

Walked into a few of those obvious bear traps over the years. Grinned and said silly stuff like ...”is that a Martini Henry Zulu Rifle ?” ....Then walked away.

... My own large calibers are a original M82A1 Barrett 50bmg, a 460 Weatherby Magnum Ruger No 1H Tropical that was rechambered from a factory 458 Win Mag and my own sod poodle slayer a Dakota Longbow in .338 Lapua Mag. Add in a old TC long tang Hawken front stuffer in .54 cal, assorted 50-70 and 45-70 single shots and a 500 Linebaugh Ruger Bisley and my .50GI Glock conversion from Guncrafters and that is my exercise in recoil and large caliber.

One of the hardest recoiling rifles I ever fired was an original AMAC 50bmg Bolt gun (Daisy BB Gun Company Design) with no brake or mule. That exercise took 100 points off my 10 point IQ. Hurts just thinking about that shot. Our EOD teams were looking for something to replace our “accurized / scoped MaDuce M2’s” to disrupt ordnance and IED’s with. The McBros, AMAC and Accuracy International lost out to Ronnie Barrett’s design.

Crazy that 20mm thang....

Stay safe 300 !


37 posted on 05/14/2013 1:10:29 AM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: marktwain

Reasonable gun control? I take this to mean Posse Comitatus limits on the federal government, 5th Amendment prohibitions on the taking of life without due process, 4th Amendment prohibitions on search and seizure without a warrant, and other reasonable restrictions on the government turning this country into a police state.


38 posted on 05/14/2013 3:58:53 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Paladin2

Say rather that no one you knew was assaulted or lived in a broken home.

Dysfunctional or broken families and assault have always been around since the Fall.


39 posted on 05/14/2013 5:30:05 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: B4Ranch
"Until drugs came on the scene we never had a use for locks. Let’s start shooting drug dealers."

Drugs have always been with us. It is drug laws that made the difference.

We have tried the drug war for about a hundred years. It has been a monumental failure.

40 posted on 05/14/2013 6:15:19 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain; All
Let’s be blunt about this:

The Ultimate goal of the gun grabbers would be to have only the government and the criminals with a monopoly on the use of force.

The gun grabbers have admitted that their halfway measures would not solve the problems the claim to care about. And when they are honest about their intentions ( a rare event indeed) they will tell you that their current set of people controls are ‘Just the beginning’.

The question should be poised this way:

Given A Choice, Would I Choose To Live In A World With No Gun Control, Or NO Guns?

41 posted on 05/14/2013 6:21:26 AM PDT by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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To: marktwain
Would I Choose To Live In A World With No Gun Control

An armed society is a polite society.

42 posted on 05/14/2013 6:24:50 AM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: Spruce; marktwain

+1. I am deathly sick of appeals to “reason” or “common sense.” Those terms are subjective and entirely dependent on the world view of the person uttering them. One man’s “reasonableness” is another man’s tyranny. If someone has facts-cold hard facts, not emotional appeals-I’ll listen. Otherwise, they can get lost.


43 posted on 05/14/2013 7:20:07 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: 300winmag; mylife; Squantos; g'nad; Ramius; osagebowman

Interesting story. Back in ‘87 or ‘88 a slightly-known acquaintence of mine attempted to sell me a machine gun. I was smart enough to turn it down and get scarce, even when it was basically offerred for free. I never saw the guy again and have no idea what his angle was. I figure either it was a sting or a scared idiot with an illegally converted semiauto gun thst he was in a hurry to lose. The Lord knows I’ve met enogh of the latter over the years.


44 posted on 05/14/2013 7:33:38 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: marktwain

No, the drug war has actually accomplished what was intended. These days we have a whole new economy. Some economists that I have spoken with use the term ‘justice economy’ others say it is the ‘law enforcement’ economy.

It includes the massive expansion of police forces, the number of judges, bailiffs, court clerks, parole boards, prison guards, prison health care, prison food services and required transportation in all 50 states. This amounts to one seriously big expansion in the number of public employees. Unions are smiling across the nation.

Also legislators now are encouraged to make many more ‘feel good’ laws that don’t accomplish anything but do give law enforcement ‘just cause’ to arrest an otherwise law abiding adult or minor.

I realize that I haven’t included anything about the ATF or the DEA and their ever increasing budgets but you’ll have to research their growth for yourself.

This is all meant to “control the masses” and in my opinion it does a superb job at making everyone slightly nervous when they are in the company of law enforcement officials because we all know that we can be arrested at any moment for the slightest reason. If that’s not effective crowd control, tell me what is.


45 posted on 05/14/2013 9:07:55 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: 300winmag

Heh, glad your ‘spidey senses’ were on that day. If a deal is too good to be true, watch out.

I get the same feeling when I hear the words ‘reasonable’ and ‘common sense’ coming from ANY politician.


46 posted on 05/14/2013 10:58:53 AM PDT by osagebowman
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To: jboot

They are out there..... Batfageeee’s are in that business of course yet 99% of such events are just as you described.... Just an idgit trying to recoup his nickel before he does a dime of time....

Stay Safe Jboot !


47 posted on 05/14/2013 3:57:34 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: jboot
+1. I am deathly sick of appeals to “reason” or “common sense.” Those terms are subjective and entirely dependent on the world view of the person uttering them. One man’s “reasonableness” is another man’s tyranny. If someone has facts-cold hard facts, not emotional appeals-I’ll listen. Otherwise, they can get lost.

The appeals to 'reasonable' are nothing less than the same as an appeal to the reasonableness of a fist.

48 posted on 05/14/2013 5:37:42 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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