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Let me reply to your purported "documented facts" one by one. (The statements in italics are your alleged facts.)

In the seventies, the 042 prefix on the SSN indicated the Form SS-5 was filed by a CT resident.

Agreed.

Obama's biography indicates he traveled as an unaccompanied minor from Indonesia to a U.S. port of entry in 1971.

Maybe you can post or quote the relevant passage in Obama's biography to back up that statement. Even if you are correct about what his biography said, we know that his biographies are not necessary reliable, as they contain many statements that are inconsistent with other factual evidence.

Barry Soetoro, son of Lolo Soetoro and born in Honolulu, HI, was enrolled in an elementary school administered by a subsidiary of the Catholic Church as an Indonesian national..

There is no real long form Hawaiian birth certificate to prove that Barry Soetoro - or even Barack Obama II - was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. (What you probably have seen is an Indonesian school registration form which is based on info passed to the school through Lolo Soetoro and/or Stanley Ann Dunham.) Barry was not the son of Lolo, rather the (adopted?) stepson. He did begin school in Indonesia attending an elementary school administered by the Roman Catholic church (with St. Francis in its title) for two years, then switched to an Indonesian school which featured a Muslim religious curriculum. (There is no logical connection between his attendance at an elementary school in Indonesia administered by the Catholic Church between ages 6 and 8 and his CT SSN issued to him at age 15.)

The U.S. Government defines unaccompanied minors abandoned at a port of entry as children with foreign nationality who do not have a parent or legal guardian to accompany them. The pilot or a flight attendant cannot be assigned guardianship for purposes of clearing customs. The U.S. Government considers the child to be abandoned.

That may be the US Government policy today, but you have no evidence to show that the same policy was in force c. 1971. Furthermore, you have no documentation that young Barry was indeed classified as a minor with foreign nationality without parent or guardian accompanying him at that particular point, since you have no copies of government paperwork from such an incident.

In the seventies, there were two contractors with HHS to administer legal services for unaccompanied minor children abandoned at a port of entry. One of those contractors was headquartered in Connecticut.

You have no sources to cite to prove that there were any such contractors at all at that time, let alone one headquartered in Connecticut. (Incidentally, if, hypothetically, young Barry at that time was referred to a provider of social services, that provider would probably have been a Hawaii state or local agency, not a federal contractor headquartered in Connecticut.)

Here's a good primer on the subject: The Changing Face of the Unaccompanied Alien Child: A Portrait of Foreign - Born Children in Federal Foster Care and How to Best Meet Their Needs.

The paper to which you linked, published by a Catholic Church organization, has no historical references to the time frame we are discussing, and is therefore irrelevant to the issues here.

Hi Greg,

I checked with our immigration services director who said that Catholic Social Services (one of our former names) did not provide services for unaccompanied refugee minors during the 1970s. She suggests that you check with Child and Family Service to see if they provided this specialized service. Great question!

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From: Greg
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 3:16 AM
To: Celeste Imamura
Subject: RE: Website Inquiry

Thank you very much for the reply.

I am doing some research and am being told that “Catholic Family Services” would have been the organization who would take custody of an unaccompanied minor arriving from a foreign shore. The time frame was about the 1970’s. Is this something that you would have been involved in?

Greg

From: Celeste Imamura [mailto:celeste@catholiccharitieshawaii.org]
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:15 PM
To: Greg
Subject: Website Inquiry

Aloha Greg,

Thank you for your email.

Catholic Charities Hawai‘i was chartered in Hawai‘i in 1947. There’s also some history on our website at: http://www.catholiccharitieshawaii.org/site/371/about_us.aspx

Thanks again for your message.

Celeste Imamura
Development Coordinator
Catholic Charities Hawai‘i
1822 Keeaumoku Street
Honolulu, HI 96822
Phone: (808) 527-4821

Other facts that are known:

1. SAD entered the US on October 21, 1971 on an expired passport. Based on a 5 year passport it should have expired 7/19/1970. So the conclusion would be that SAD did not travel to the US at any time between July 19, 1970 and October 21, 1971. The document below indicates arrive aboard PAA flight 812.

Link:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_clW92NzmFvI/TGTGM8uTklI/AAAAAAAAECE/588qXnDMwBs/s1600/000-5.jpg

There is no evidence that a minor or child was with her in the released FOIA records. If Obama arrived prior to October 1971 he was not likely accompanied with his legal mother.

Note: On PAA 812 as arriving flight. 3 years after the above travel a PAA flight 812 crashed - in Indonesia. But it scheduled flight was from Hong Kong to Sydney with a stop in Bali. Did PAA change the route of the flight between October 1971 and April 1974?

http://www.panamair.org/OLDSITE/Accidents/Climax.htm

The answer to the above appears to be - yes they did. Here is a link to an accident involving PAA 812 in December of 1969. At that time the route for PAA was Sydney to Hawaii to LA to NY.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EdChem/Pan_Am_Flight_812

Aircraft type Boeing 707-321B
Aircraft name Clipper Star King[2]
Operator Pan American World Airways
Registration N892PA
Flight origin Sydney (Kingsford Smith) Airport
1st stopover Honolulu International Airport[1][3]
2nd stopover Los Angeles International Airport[3]
Destination New York[3]

2. Panahou school, on their official website, appears to verify Barry was present on the first day of school in the Fall of 1971. If so, he would have already been in Hawaii, arriving earlier than SAD’s late October arrival.

Link
http://www.punahou.edu/page.cfm?p=1715

“In fall 1971, Obama walked into room 307,Mabel Hefty’s fifth-grade class on the top floor of Castle Hall, where majestic, arched windows afforded a sweeping view of the elementary school grounds. Obama was one of a handful of new students that year, the standard entry point being fourth grade. “

3. We know that Senior arrives in Hawaii in December. Many sources note that the Dunhams funded his trip. If this is the case - why? The only reasonable conclusion is that the legal, documented father (regardless of biology) was needed for a ‘family matter’. A ‘family matter’ would seem to indicate something to do guardianship, citizenship, adoption termination, etc.

Link

http://theobamafile.com/_family/Senior.htm

From link above:

“It is clear that the Dunhams underwrote Senior’s visit, but why? It would seem reasonable to conclude that Senior’s pilgrimage had something to do with Barry and Punahou, but what?

What happened in these four weeks? What was so important that caused Senior to travel 20,000-plus miles? What kind of deal was made? What papers did he have to sign? Was there a payoff?

The Dunhams were getting ready to put Barry Soetoro into Punahou. Whatever Senior was doing in Hawaii was connected to that — my speculation is that it was to establish or re-establish paternity, or clean-up an Indonesian adoption — and as soon as the paperwork was completed and he got his payoff he returned to Kenya and never thought about the bunch of them for the rest of his miserable life.

As an aside, it’s pretty clear that the Dunhams were going all the way for little Barry, and it’s equally clear that Senior couldn’t give a rat’s ass.”

4. We know that both legal mother and father return to Indonesia and Kenya in January. SAD indicates she will be there ‘indefinitely’ since she is married to an Indonesian national. So neither like has any legal guardianship responsibilities as they are both leaving the US but leaving a legal child behind - indefinitely. Thus the question remains - who is then the legal guardian of Barry/Barack at this point? The Dunhams? There is no proof of that. Some other entity? There is no proof of that. So its a Mexican, or rather Hawaiian, standoff.