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Will Colorado Ruling on Gay Cake go Both Ways
Dignitas News Service ^ | May 30, 2014 | Paul M Winters

Posted on 05/30/2014 10:48:24 PM PDT by dignitasnews

Will Colorado Ruling on Gay Cake go Both Ways (Pun Intended)

The Civil Rights Commission of Colorado ruled Friday that baker Jack Philips 1st Amendment rights to free exercise of his religious beliefs may in fact be prohibited. In a decision sure to be challenged, they ruled Philips must participate in same-sex wedding celebrations by ordering him to accept any custom orders wedding cakes from same-sex couples. The Colorado ruling on the pro gay-marriage cake begs the question as to whether or not their definitions of civil rights go both ways (pun intended).

Let us consider if the roles in the case were somehow reversed. How would rule if a self-described advocate for heterosexuality were to enter the bakery owned by a homosexual and requested a custom-made cake inscribed either a Bible verse supporting the sole legitimacy of traditional marriage or wording of similar effect? If we base their ruling on their intellectual interpretation of law, one could only assume they would likewise force the gay baker to take the order and bake the cake. But of course, there are a number of questionable points of their ruling to suggest it was made from an emotional standpoint, their motivations based on the sympathy of the plaintiffs and not the law itself. It is this which is the truly dangerous aspect of decision, far beyond any moral arguments related to same-sex couplings.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What is important to consider is that what the gay couple, David Mullins and Charlie Craig, were requesting from Philips was a custom order. Had the couple walked into his store and requested a set of candles, a previously prepared pastry or any other standard product he had displayed and been denied this request, there is a more than a valid argument to say that their civil rights were in fact violated. But this was not the case.Based on the transcripts of the case, Philips had indicated to the two men that "I'll make you birthday cakes, shower cakes, sell you cookies and brownies, I just don't make cakes for same-sex weddings."

Upon hearing this, Mullins stated that as they walked out the door he turned to Philips and said, "F- (expletive) you and your homophobic cakeshop." They then provocatively sought out assistance, aware that Philips decision was based on his devout religious beliefs, to spark a legal and public relations battle. Without placing judgement on the two's sexual orientation whatsoever, David Mullins and Charlie Craig are, in my humble opinion, two very hateful, petty and reprehensible human beings.

That gay marriage remains illegal in Colorado further draws legitimate questions to the motives behind the Colorado Civil Rights Commissions decision. The marriage of Mullins and Craig was sanctioned in the state of Massachusetts, while they planned to celebrate the event in their home state of Colorado. Thus, the panel ruled that Philips must bake a cake for an event that is illegal in the state of Colorado and that had previously taken place. In addition, they ordered Philips to report quarterly for anti-discrimination training for his bakery staff and file a report on any customers he discriminates against.

Philips, who owns the Masterpiece Cakeshop in Lakewood, Colorado, defiantly fired back following the ruling, "I will stand by my convictions until somebody shuts me down." Based on the comments made by Commissioner Raju Jaram, "I can believe anything I want, but if I'm going to do business here, I'd ought to not discriminate against people," this sadly may come to pass.

The truth of he matter is that private business, and government for that matter, discriminate on many occasions when choosing whether or not to engage in certain matters of commerce. Again, Mr. Philips did not refuse to engage in commerce with Mullins and Craig, but rather objected to taking a specific specialty-order contract.

Previously in my career, I worked for a self-publishing company who maintained a strict code of the sort of material we would endorse and publish. While we would not turn any author away out of hand, there was certain material we felt did not represent our code of ethics as well as on grounds that it may harm our reputation within the marketplace. Subjects we considered to be racist, sexually provocative or generally unseemly would be rejected by our editorial board, despite that they may have been opinions and practices in no way illegal. Should that same author present material that did not run counter to our guidelines these projects would be accepted without regard or prejudice.

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Advertisers and marketing firms make these sort of decisions on a regular basis as well. Would Colorado force an advertising agency owned by a dedicated member of PETA to produce a public relations campaign for a group that organized legal hunting junkets for its clientele? Should the gay owner of a printing company be forced to produce a 100-foot banner declaring that homosexuality is a sin before God for a religious group whose interpretation of scripture maintains this belief? Of course not. And no right-minded conservative would for one moment side with a government that wished to place this burden on a business owner.

Personal beliefs aside, the Colorado ruling makes no consideration for the reputation and future solvency of the bakery in question. Just as in our examples of the pro-animal advertising agency or gay printer, the conservative position is sensitive to the business owners primary customer base. Should that printer depend on the gay community for much of his regular revenue, by forcing him to produce a perceived anti-gay banner, the future of his or her business would then be placed in jeopardy.

Just as we all do, the gay community has a responsibility to the notion of domestic tranquility. In large part they have allowed the "gay rights movement" to be usurped by political progressives, who seem hell-bent on a "scorched earth" policy of attacking the livelihood of all who disagree with them. Be it the baker Philips, former Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich or the Benham brothers, left-wing progressives and their allies within the gay community threaten to open Pandora's Box and tear this nation asunder due to their unwillingness to practice the same tolerance they expect from the nation at large. If this modus-operandi were to be mimicked by other political factions, we would end with a society where those donating to pro-choice and pro-life groups alike, pro and anti 2nd Amendment advocates and pretty much anyone with a political opinion would find their professional careers in jeopardy.

Ironically enough, one of the best arguments for the radical intolerance from the progressive wing of the gay community (as well as voice of reason) this year came from RuPaul herself who went on a Twitter rampage earlier in the week, bemoaning what has become of the gay-rights movement. In two very poignant and prophetic tweets, she warned the gay community to guard against its own hubris, echoing what many conservatives have observed that while they may be celebrating "gotcha" moments by bringing the heavy hand of the state down on a humble small-business owner, they run risk of reversing the overall gains they have made in society as well providing the perfect analogy for the hypocrisy of the progressive-left, not just in regards to issues of the gay community, but its entire political agenda. We applaud not only RuPaul's courage, as the retaliation from the left has already begun, but cannot help but admire anyone who understand that Animal Farm (although note to RuPaul that it's Farmer Jones, not John but point well-made nonetheless) was meant to be Orwell's warning to us all about the dangers of government tyranny, and not a training manual as so many on the political left appear to view it as.

Colorado

Most conservatives would defend the gay baker's right to deny taking an order to inscribe a cake with anti-gay slogans with the same zeal as we will the Christian baker who refuses to do the gay marriage cake. This is what we call consistency, a concept apparently lost on the left, be they gay or straight. If the gay community cannot understand this, nay agree with us, then I do hold out much hope that we can work effectively with one another. And while the progressive-left may be celebrating Colorado's ruling that a Christian baker must take on a custom-ordered gay wedding cake tonight, it opens Pandora's Box which the gay community may ultimately come to regret.

By Paul M Winters

Sources:

MSNNews MSNBC @RuPaul (via Twitter)


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: colorado; freedomofreligion; gaymarriage; gayweddingcake
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To: Lmo56

Actually, you don’t have to close the business. You simply drop wedding cakes from your list of services. You can sell many more birthday cakes, cookies and cupcakes than wedding cakes anyway.


41 posted on 05/31/2014 2:40:58 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Lmo56

Are there legal same sex weddings in the state concerned? - If not then how can he make something for something that does not exist?


42 posted on 05/31/2014 2:41:10 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: Lmo56
Actually, you do. The Klan and the American Nazi Party hold rallies frequently and are not prohibited based upon free speech grounds.

This is where your logic fails. A rally is considered a public event exercising free speech. Baking a cake is a private enterprise and has nothing to do with free speech. This is tyranny plain and simple. The homos could easily gone to a homo friendly bakery but chose this guy to attack his private beliefs.

Your defense of them is quite simply wrong.

43 posted on 05/31/2014 2:56:12 AM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: dignitasnews

I certainly wouldn’t EAT something prepared by someone who was FORCED to prepare it, and who could prepare it in a back room without observation.


44 posted on 05/31/2014 4:07:16 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age didnÂ’t end because we ran out of stones)
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To: dignitasnews

This has nothing to do with religion. If an atheist refuses to bake a cake for a same-sex ceremony, that should be their choice and the government should leave them alone.


45 posted on 05/31/2014 4:16:16 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Lmo56

“The Klan and the American Nazi Party hold rallies frequently”
Actually,no. They are usually canceled because of security concerns.


46 posted on 05/31/2014 4:17:12 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Lmo56
It's not a question of refusing to serve someone...it's making something (customized) that violates the store's owner's conscience. Would you demand that a print shop run by Jews print Nazi literature? Jewish bakers made to bake cakes with swastikas and a picture of Hitler? Black bakers forced to bake cakes for the Klan complete with a a picture of a black man dangling from a noose?

The baker didn't refuse to serve homosexuals....he undoubtedly has served thousands. He just refused to bake a specific type of cake.

47 posted on 05/31/2014 5:05:41 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Lmo56

They make Christian wedding cakes for heterosexual couples. They do not make fornication cakes for queers. Got it?


48 posted on 05/31/2014 5:32:18 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: dignitasnews

Does this mean that I can carry my gun into a store that posts a sign prohibiting doing so? After all, they would be discriminating against those that do carry.


49 posted on 05/31/2014 5:34:00 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: Lmo56

The Baker has legal rights in America that preclude him from having to do anything for anyone that goes against his Christianity. Period.

WE are going to have to start standing up for these persecuted people.


50 posted on 05/31/2014 5:38:40 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Lmo56

I am disappointed in the folks here that resort to insults when an opinion is put forth to which they do not agree.


51 posted on 05/31/2014 5:46:54 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: dignitasnews

I question the wisdom in general, of forcing anybody to bake anything for me against their will. A wedding cake is intended to be eaten.

Militant homosexuals need to think twice about their strategy in this. Baptists might pray over it. Catholics might put holy water in it. Less moral, less charitable people might adulterate it in any number of unpleasant ways.

It might just be that none of the above would put the level of skill and care into a cake baked under forced servitude, that one produced freely would receive as a matter of course.


52 posted on 05/31/2014 5:56:52 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Lmo56

And there you go again, kissing up to evil.


53 posted on 05/31/2014 6:13:56 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Lmo56

And incidentally does a judge’s decision to force something against what a plebiscite would probably come up with... truly reflect a COMMUNITY standard? To claim that is to claim farce.

Do not shy from calling B.S. on an evil, sinful, egotistical, hypocritical government, and STOP defending it!


54 posted on 05/31/2014 6:15:13 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

This wasn’t done for believed wisdom’s sake. It was done to raise an evil cause.


55 posted on 05/31/2014 6:16:31 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Lmo56
Do you have any actual examples of businesses being forced by the law to serve KKK members, particularly in contexts where that service could be interpreted as endorsing the Klan's point of view, like printing a sign, or baking a cake, with a KKK slogan on it?

I don't think you do.

56 posted on 05/31/2014 6:16:56 AM PDT by Campion
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Regardless of the rationale, it’s not the wisest thing to force someone to bake food for you against their will.


57 posted on 05/31/2014 6:18:48 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: NativeSon

There is plenty of hypocrisy in those who defend it, both there and here. Take your “sadness” to where it belongs.


58 posted on 05/31/2014 6:18:53 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Campion

This is about calling some farce a wedding then striving to lasso those who intended to serve only heterosexual weddings into serving the farce too.

And having people so high minded that they will defend this rather than helping look for how this farce of farces may be brought down.


59 posted on 05/31/2014 6:20:52 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Campion

Make that, “high minded.” In quotes.


60 posted on 05/31/2014 6:21:58 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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