Posted on 07/17/2014 11:53:03 AM PDT by dignitasnews
How about we just overthrow DC and reset the Constitution we have?
Exactly.
The GOPE could win a majority of both houses of Congress and I doubt we see any real election reform and all that other stuff.
Many people are unaware that the Tea Party tsunami of 2010 effected statehouses more than Congress.
In 2014 the ground game for statehouses is equally as important as the GOP taking control of the Senate because a GOPe led by the likes of McConnell is no different in outcome than a Senate led by Reid.
For me this is one of those might regret what you wish for items. Since this has not happened before there is question about whether there are any limits on what could be proposed at a convention. So there is the possibility of tons of amendments around positive rights; right to free stuff. Also how about doing away with the Senate or the Electoral College. Would you trust a convention filled with GOPe types?
Clean out ALL fedgov employees and institute a lifetime ban on them.
That would give us about a 20 yr breather.
Nailed it.
BUMP
There are certainly pitfalls, but remember any proposed amendment must still be ratified by 38 states. And there is far more of a likelihood that this coalition could be found for conservative proposals than anything the left might propose.
I would recommend reading the following on the process of such a convention arguing that states, not congress would have the primary authority in such a convention.
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No3_Rogersonline.pdf
The leaders of the Assembly of States are proceeding methodically in setting rules and procedures.
Given their performance to date and the numbers of conservative states, I will lose no sleep.
So?
They still need 2/3rds of the states to approve them.
No different than all of the ones proposed in congress every year.
What executive branch outrage would move you to support a convention to propose amendments?
That is correct.
However, there are structural "limits" in that what is proposed at the convention must first be passed by the convention. Then, what is passed by the convention must be ratified by the states.
One would hope that the limits on what is proposed results from the delegates' assumptions on what proposals are likely to pass, and what proposals are considered extreme.
-PJ
My preferences for the convention:
- repeal the 16th and 17th amendments.
- Taxes to be assessed on each State by representative apportionment
- Limit the scope of all federal laws and administrative rulings to only those enumerated powers in the constitution
- Prohibit any canon, law, codex or other legal ruling other than the Constitution, ratified treaties, and US court cases. Establish that US Constitution and bill of rights is supreme to all other laws and treaties.
- limit the commerce clause effect to only those goods and services that cross state boundaries
- Hold congressional, presidential and secretary salaries in an escrow account if a budget is not pasted by Oct 1st for the following fiscal year.
- Establish that life and person-hood begins at conception.
There are others but that would be a good start.
At this moment, we trust unconstitutional executive government controlled by fascist types.
Calling a Constitutional Convention would be just what the Left is looking for, since this would dominate it and, thereby, ruin forever our federal republic. If we can’t even beat a outright Commie and keep electing hundreds of Democrats to Congress how would it be expected, in the real world, to stop them from running the CC? Polls have shown today’s Americans would not even ratify the Bill of Rights.
Article V ping!
As a side note to this thread, please consider the following. Although I have a list of things that I’d like to see amended to the Constitution, the basic problem with the “Constitution,” imo, is the following. Generations of parents have been negligent in making sure that their children are being taught why the Constitution exists in the first place, to limit (cripple) the federal government’s powers.
So an arguably easier remedy for the nation’s self-inflicted big federal government problems is the following. The states need to amend their constitutions to require that children are taught the federal government’s constitutionally limited powers as the Founding States had intended for those powers to be understood.
In fact, given that the Constitution’s rules are arguably no more complicated than a child’s board game, I suggest that states not allow students to graduate from high school or be issued a driver’s license if they cannot pass a basic constitutional law test, just a few true / false questions which stress the federal government’s constitutionally limited powers.
The bircher website says much the same. A few months ago, I visited about a dozen prominent lefty sites. There was zero mention of Article V to amend the constitution.
The Left has corrupted our constitution quite well these past 80 years without a convention. It isn't in their interest.
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