Constitutional Convention is Within Reach For Conservatives

Dignitas News Service ^ | July 17, 2014 | Paul M Winters

[Political Junkie Too]

They weren't looking for generational support. They needed an ally immediately.

The same would be with our states should the federal government detach itself from the Constitution and use military force to overthrow state leadership. They will need other states, and even other nations, to side with the states in the next few years, not decades.

-PJ

[nathanbedford]

Nathan Bedford's first Maxim of the American Constitution:

The Constitution has become so distorted in interpretation and application that it has become at best ineffective in protecting liberty and at worst an instrument inflicting tyranny.

Nathan Bedford's second Maxim of the American Constitution:

The American Constitution is being amended everyday without the consent of the governed.

In order to believe that a Convention of the States presents a greater threat to liberty than our current state of politics one must believe:

1. The Constitution is not being amended by three women in black robes +1 liberal in black robes +1 swing vote on a case by case basis.

2. The Constitution is not being amended at the caprice of the president by executive order.

3. The Constitution is not being amended at the caprice of the president when he chooses which laws he will "faithfully" execute.

4. The Constitution is not being amended daily by regulation done by an unaccountable bureaucracy.

5. The Constitution is not being amended by simply being ignored.

6. The Constitution is not being amended by international treaty.

7. The Constitution is not being amended by Executive Order creating treaty powers depriving citizens of liberty as codified in the Bill of Rights.

8. The Constitution is not being amended by international bureaucracies such as, UN, GATT, World Bank, etc.

9. The Constitution is not being amended by the Federal Reserve Bank without reference to the will of the people.

10. The federal government under our current "constitutional" regime has suddenly become capable of reforming itself, balancing the budget and containing the debt.

11. The national debt of the United States is sustainable and will not cause the American constitutional system and our economy to crash and with them our representative democracy, the rule of law, and the Constitution, such as it is, itself.

12. The Republican Party, presuming it gains a majority in the House and the Senate and gains the White House, will now do what is failed to do even under Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush and balance the budget, reduce the debt, stop regulating, reform the tax system, end crony capitalism, appoint judges who will not betray us and, finally, listen to the people.

13. That a runaway Convention of the States will occur, that it will persuade the delegates from conservative states, that it will be ratified by three quarters of the states' legislatures among whom conservatives control a majority, and the end result will somehow be worse than what we have now.

14. If we do nothing everything will be fine; if we keep doing what we have been doing everything will be fine; we have all the time in the world.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

#42 is an outstanding post. Why not post it as a thread, under “chat.” It’s a debate worthy of FR.

[nathanbedford]

Thank you, you are the second poster who has suggested that the reply be republished as a vanity and I will do so when I have more time and I think the timing is right.

[RedHeeler]

Actually, killing every satanic allah worshipping, stone kissing moron, on this planet- will prove to be the resolution of human strife.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

I wouldn’t bet on it, based on “The Proctologist’s Nightmare.”

He wakes up late at night, sweating profusely and in a panic, and his wife, experienced with this, reassures him,

“Don’t worry dear, there will always be more a-holes in the world.”

[RedHeeler]

I never bet. Although, betting on a-holes, is quite popular in Islamic circles,(*).

[Jagdgewehr]

When Americans rise up, how will events conclude in restoration of freedom?

It won't. Forget it. It's a lost cause. It is plain there isn't enough of us with the fortitude to do what is necessary.

[Lee'sGhost]

Nor do I. But your comment totally misses the point and shows that you do not understand what the convention would accomplish. If done effectively, it would render their current MO ineffective.

I simply take the stand that doing nothing will continue to accomplish nothing.

[Lee'sGhost]

Not sure about the absoluteness of your comment, but agree that Levine’s proposed amendments are an excellent start.

[Jacquerie]

Levin's proposed amendments aren't piecemeal. They serve to super-federalize the government such that tyranny is impossible.

A Summary of Mark Levin’s Proposed Amendments.

[Lee'sGhost]

I read the book.

My point is, as Levine himself stated, his amendments are not finished products but worthy starting points for more discussion.

[Pollster1]

I worry about this idea; keep the Constitution as written. Modifying it won’t help when America’s enemies refuse to follow it, while opening it up risks getting outmaneuvered at a convention and giving the appearance of legitimacy to evil.

[Da Bilge Troll]

"or weasel word the 2nd amendment out of existence"

How? Do you really think 38 states would ratify that?

[Da Bilge Troll]

"The Founding Fathers thought it worthy to place their lives on the line for."

And those same Founding Fathers thought it worthy to place the convention process into the Constitution as a last resort before the "drastic measures" you wish for. Were they fools?

[Jagdgewehr]

...the "drastic measures" you wish for.

I wish for the return of the Constitutional Republic we were meant to be. I wish for a return to liberty, private property rights, a free and unfettered market, free of an oppressive, overreaching centralized government. I wish to speak freely, worship freely and bear arms freely without those rights being so pervasively infringed that I must constantly look over my shoulder in fear of reprisal from a tyrannical government or being subject to the shrill howls of an embolden minority under the protection of twisted minds in black robes. I wish for my grandchildren and their children to have the liberties the Founders envisioned and fought for.

I'm not bloodthirsty. I'm angry.

Were they fools?

No. We are. It should have never come to this without vociferous and unrelenting resistance to the absurdity and the tyranny. This tide should have been beat back long ago. I just don't share in your optimism regarding this. Corruption has reached a point where there is little to no consequences. That's all.

[Da Bilge Troll]

"I just don't share in your optimism"

It's not optimism, it's determination. The result of violence will not be a free republic. We must be determined that every peaceful option has been exhausted first.

[arrogantsob]

They have damaged the constitution over the last 150 yrs but it is not corrupted. It still has the ability to change itself. A convention in the Age of Idiocracy would be a disaster to the constitution and the nation, don’t fool yourself.

[arrogantsob]

The Constitution was NOT established to limit the federal government. It was established to limit STATE governments and increase the power of the federal government. Read your history this story is clearly told by numerous histories. It was PRECISELY because state power was weakened in favor of the central government that the Anti-federalist opposition grew up opposing the ratification.

[arrogantsob]

You would fail your proposed test.