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MO: Shooting Intruder in Back Justified
Gun Watch ^ | 17 July, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 07/17/2014 4:14:26 PM PDT by marktwain

Attacker who beheaded British Policeman

This incident in Missouri shows the use of discretion by  Missouri County Prosecutor Matt Howard.     In this case, the homeowner, Mark Routh, discovered a man, Hanna, attempting to break into his home.  The homeowner armed himself with a shotgun and approached the intruder.  A struggle ensued, during which Hanna stabbed Routh in the upper leg.  As reported in connectmidmissouri.com:

After a struggle, Hanna began to move away with his back turned and was shot by Routh at a distance of 66 feet, near the outer effective limit for a 12-gauge. The shot peppered Hanna in the back and buttocks with shot, and he fell down and stopped moving.

Prosecutor Howard said that in making his decision not to prosecute, he took into account the fact that there had been a struggle, that Hanna was armed and used a weapon against Routh, and that Routh had a right to stop Hanna, whom he considered a danger, from escaping, possibly to return.

The Fleeing felon law is a feature of the common law in the United States:

The fleeing felon rule under common law permits the use of deadly force against a felon who is clearly in flight from apprehension. 

It used to be extensively applied.  However, that was when felonies were near universally serious crimes that were usually punishable by death or very long prison terms.   The use of deadly force to apprehend fleeing felons repeatedly came under attack during the 1960s and later, and resulted in a Supreme Court decision in Tennessee v. Garner in 1985.   In this decision, police authority to use deadly force was restricted to cases where a clear serious danger to officers, individuals, or the public could be shown. 

Held: The Tennessee statute is unconstitutional insofar as it authorizes the use of deadly force against, as in this case, an apparently unarmed, nondangerous fleeing suspect; such force may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others. Pp. 497 U. S. 7-22.
This supreme court ruling was used to revoke numerous state laws allowing the police use of deadly force to apprehend felons.   In Nevada, a court case later extended the restriction to individual citizens, though it was not explicit in the legislature's action, and though the resources of individual citizens are far less than those available to a state sponsored police force.


All the laws that I have seen, however, followed the prescription in Tennessee v. Garner; if the fleeing felon poses a substantial threat to others, then deadly force may be used to stop him.

This is the doctrine applied in the case mentioned in Missouri.  The case is significant in that the trend has been to denigrate this use of deadly force; yet the argument that a person who has just shown a proclivity to attack others with unjustified deadly force needs to be taken into custody to prevent future attacks, is easily understood.   It is impossible to know when another opportunity to subdue the attacker may occur, or what damage he may do if left unchecked.

This doctrine has generally been available in the law.   It has never been eliminated.   Perhaps there will be a resurgence in its application.


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I beleive that the fleeing felon doctrine in common law will be reinvigorated.
1 posted on 07/17/2014 4:14:26 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

And exactly how is the picture of the Brit Muslim savage related to this report?


2 posted on 07/17/2014 4:28:51 PM PDT by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: marktwain
It used to be extensively applied. However, that was when felonies were near universally serious crimes that were usually punishable by death or very long prison terms.

Crimes directly against people in most cases.
3 posted on 07/17/2014 4:35:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Afterguard

Someone should have killed him despite the attack being over.


4 posted on 07/17/2014 4:36:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: marktwain

Don’t start none, won’t be none. Take that to heart criminal!


5 posted on 07/17/2014 4:49:35 PM PDT by vpintheak (I will not comply!)
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To: marktwain

” Hanna began to move away with his back turned and was shot by Routh at a distance of 66 feet, near the outer effective limit for a 12-gauge.”

BS!!!!


6 posted on 07/17/2014 5:02:13 PM PDT by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: Afterguard

And it wasn’t a British policeman, it was a regimental musician .... and the EU court of human rights are seeing to it that that lslamic murderer has all his protections.


7 posted on 07/17/2014 5:13:51 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you do not read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read the newspapers you are misinfo)
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After a struggle, Hanna began to move away with his back turned and was shot by Routh at a distance of 66 feet, near the outer effective limit for a 12-gauge. The shot peppered Hanna in the back and buttocks with shot, and he fell down and stopped moving.

66 feet????100 yards is much closer and I don't want to be there either...

8 posted on 07/17/2014 5:34:29 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Afterguard; All

“And exactly how is the picture of the Brit Muslim savage related to this report?”

He is an example of the type situation in which a person would be justified in shooting the attacker even if he were fleeing. He is also armed with edged weapons.


9 posted on 07/17/2014 5:44:55 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: terycarl

“66 feet????100 yards is much closer and I don’t want to be there either...”

It depends on the shot size. For the smaller sizes of bird shot, this is fairly accurate, though it would certainly cause damage. By a hundred yards bird shot will just bounce off of clothes and skin. Buck shot is effective much further, to at least 70 yards, and certainly is dangerous to at least a few hundred yards. Slugs would be dangerous up to a mile or more, I believe.


10 posted on 07/17/2014 5:51:07 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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My 12ga Savage with a rifled slug is good for game at about 100yds and three inch high hold point. Anything else is a mortar.


11 posted on 07/17/2014 6:24:06 PM PDT by theneanderthal
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12 posted on 07/17/2014 6:36:00 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: theneanderthal

“My 12ga Savage with a rifled slug is good for game at about 100yds and three inch high hold point. Anything else is a mortar.”

Sounds right. But mortars are still deadly.


13 posted on 07/17/2014 8:56:32 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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One ounce of lead is sure to ruin something. Scientists of that art rare.


14 posted on 07/17/2014 9:07:30 PM PDT by theneanderthal
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To: marktwain

That’s why firearms expert Joe Biden recommends shotguns - they are perfectly safe for innocent bystanders outside a range of 66 feet.


15 posted on 07/18/2014 6:49:23 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: marktwain; Afterguard
“And exactly how is the picture of the Brit Muslim savage related to this report?”

He is an example of the type situation in which a person would be justified in shooting the attacker even if he were fleeing. He is also armed with edged weapons.

I thought it was obvious.

16 posted on 07/18/2014 6:53:41 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: marktwain

A truly skilled operator is way better than this old hunter.


17 posted on 07/23/2014 11:14:31 PM PDT by theneanderthal
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