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IRS Agrees To Monitor Church Sermons
http://leomcneil.net/2014/07/25/irs-agrees-to-monitor-church-sermons/ ^ | July 25, 2014 | Leo McNeil

Posted on 07/25/2014 6:23:09 AM PDT by LeoMcNeil

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To: smokingfrog

That was pointed out to me and it was an oversight. My bad. You are entirely correct.


21 posted on 07/25/2014 6:48:14 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: LeoMcNeil

How nice of them. I guess they’ve hired too many new public servants who really have nothing better to do.


22 posted on 07/25/2014 6:50:58 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America is not a refugee camp! It is my home!!!)
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To: LeoMcNeil

Of interest relative to this thread:

http://ezinearticles.com/?How-The-American-Church-Was-Bought-Off-In-American-Politics-In-1954&id=7205380


23 posted on 07/25/2014 6:51:39 AM PDT by rockinqsranch ((Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.))
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To: Westbrook

The issue with the radicals, is that could be taken as conspiracy to murder, if they really were concretely shown to preach it.

Plus, isn’t pogrom a violation of 1st Amendment Rights for someone else anyways.


24 posted on 07/25/2014 6:53:16 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Texas Eagle

OK I want some of the drugs You have;)


25 posted on 07/25/2014 6:54:37 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!! Once again dingy hairball, STFU!!! You corrupt POS!!!)
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To: Morpheus2009

It is not a violation of the 1st since it’s completely voluntary. No one has to accept the benefits of a 501(c)(3) organization.

All this anger is more than justified but misplaced. You should be angry with Congress. They are 100% responsible for the tax law. The tax law is an abomination and a scandal. And year after year they do noting but make it worse.


26 posted on 07/25/2014 6:57:20 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Texas Eagle
Or a mosque.

The IRS will claim a technicality as a mosque is not a church.

27 posted on 07/25/2014 6:57:55 AM PDT by Slyfox ("If it weren't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all." Chris Plant)
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To: Gaffer

The “Black Church” is Democrat precinct headquarters!


28 posted on 07/25/2014 7:02:52 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: LeoMcNeil
I know of one church that will not be monitored by the IRS.
29 posted on 07/25/2014 7:04:23 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: DManA

> Nobody puts a gun to the heads of church members to take
> the tax deduction. If they turn it down the Federal
> government has no leverage on them.

Oh, right, I forgot that I now live in an anti-God, anti-Christ, totalitarian-collectivist, atheist country that no longer honors the “Nature’s God” mentioned in its founding documents, and that all riches and honor belong to the mighty Fedzilla, the Supreme Proprietor of all wealth from whatever source, and for whatever use.

Meanwhile, Planned Parenthood continues, not only to enjoy tax-deductible status, but more than $500 million in annual government subsidies to murder prenatal infants and promote the corruption of our youth.


30 posted on 07/25/2014 7:04:28 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Westbrook

The point soared over your head at 30,000 feet.


31 posted on 07/25/2014 7:05:51 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Gaffer

Well, you beat me to it. The first thing I thought was, ‘Will the black churches have an exemption?”

Since it is the IRS doing the monitoring, I expect more scandalous behavior on the part of this arm of the DNC.


32 posted on 07/25/2014 7:10:09 AM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: DManA

> The point soared over your head at 30,000 feet.

Well, I am rather short, but not that short.

I get your point, but churches have historically been exempt from taxes owing to the respect the nations founders had for God. There were no 501-3c corporations when the country was founded. This is a relatively recent tax code fiction that assumes the government owns the fruits of your labor.


33 posted on 07/25/2014 7:10:41 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Gumdrop

Next, they will be claim they ‘couldn’t monitor them, because they were burned down by right winger racists.’

An aside: Once Bill Clinton remarked about how he felt so bad about ‘black churches being burned” and he related that personally to the times when he grew up in Arkansas and had to live through the shame of black churches in Arkansas being burned by white racists. The only problem with this is that during Bill Clintons ‘growing up time’ in Arkansas, THERE WERE NO BLACK CHURCHES burned up.


34 posted on 07/25/2014 7:13:21 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: LeoMcNeil
IRS agents could use a little time listening to the word of God. P.S. How many Mosques are going to be monitored for hate speech?
35 posted on 07/25/2014 7:18:43 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: LeoMcNeil

The IRS publicly admitted in 2012 they don’t have the right to remove tax exemptions for political speech. The only people who believe they do are the liberal pastors of conservative congregations.


36 posted on 07/25/2014 7:28:31 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: Westbrook

Exactly! And the people we should be furious with is Congress. They write 100% of the laws the IRS enforces. And they pay 100% of their salaries.

Never vote for an incumbent.


37 posted on 07/25/2014 7:31:49 AM PDT by DManA
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"Go to any inner city and you can bet you’ll see candidates endorsed at major black churches. The same is true in conservative churches."

I disagree with this glib assumption. I think most activist victim-minority churches will indeed endorse a candidate; but conservatives believe in work and accountability, personal responsibility and the rule of law. They are greatly less likely to risk their churches' tax-exempt standing by breaking a well-understood law.


"The... Democrats need church involvement in... political activities just as much as Republicans. They aren’t going to risk a Constitutional challenge to the law.... the government isn’t going to enforce a law that both parties understand is unconstitutional."

Again, hopelessly naive. This author has never heard of the concept "selective enforcement."

38 posted on 07/25/2014 7:38:09 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: JudyinCanada

The flip is how does one disagree with that interpretation and not get involved in political commentary.


39 posted on 07/25/2014 7:54:21 AM PDT by LeoMcNeil
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To: LeoMcNeil
This seems to be a moot point because as far as I know, there has never been a church lose it's tax status over politics,....never! If I'm not mistaken, David Barton has a website that asks pastors to preach on politics on purpose, and then send the sermon to some official and goad them into investigating them. The organization will provide any legal defense they might incur, but it hasn't been used yet.

I myself have given a message on Lev 18: 22 to make the point that if we approve sodomy in America, the LAND will be defiled and vomit us out, and God told the Jews if they allowed it, they would lose the land God gave them. Romans 1:32 tells us that we are guilty of sin if we approve of the sin even though we didn't commit the sin. I thought it might make the pastor nervous, but apparently he had no problem with it. Our whole revolution was preached from the early American church and many pastors fought in the war. To make some subjects off limits is to limit God and I don't think you can do that. I would welcome an investigation because it would inevitably be stopped by the courts.

It would also be a nightmare for Islam. Can you imagine a Christian church getting sanctioned for preaching against abortion and sodomy, and a Mosque getting away with preaching the assault on women, or the stoning of sinners? How about the overthrow of the government? Installing Sharia Law? Is Islam more "tolerant" of sodomy?

If it's in the book, it's in the book and I will preach on it.

40 posted on 07/25/2014 8:15:17 AM PDT by chuckles
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