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The Great Israeli Iron Dome Hoax (You gonna believe me or your lying eyes?)
The People's Voice ^ | August 17, 2014 | Stephen Lendman

Posted on 08/18/2014 1:05:07 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 08/18/2014 1:05:07 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Blithering idiocy. The same leftist cant I’ve been hearing about missile defense for the last 30 years, since SDI.


2 posted on 08/18/2014 1:15:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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There is a lot of empty space outside a built up city for a small warhead to fall into relatively harmlessly.


3 posted on 08/18/2014 1:16:12 AM PDT by fso301
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This guy is an idiot of the first order. His suggestion that the press is covering up for Israel is beyond laughable. If the system does not work where are the casualties. He is a leftist nut. We should ignore most studies coming from the left and most professors come from the left
The global warming hoax exposes what comes from universities.


4 posted on 08/18/2014 1:30:51 AM PDT by paguch
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I personally saw the Iron Dome rockets eliminating incoming HAMAS projectiles time and time again...

What is the BS propaganda?


5 posted on 08/18/2014 1:31:00 AM PDT by Netz
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Well, if the data cannot and does not support it.

Then why do the ID missiles usually hit? I find it strange that Israel’s system does seem to perform at above 90%, but no where else in the world where missile defense has been tested has it worked so well. It seems to me that if you can plot the trajectory accurately fast enough, and know exactly where it is going to be. That a missile could be fired to detonate exactly where it is going to be.

If it isn’t possible like this man says, then the missile defense doesn’t work. Therefore, something ELSE must be causing the missile defense to work. Working or not, the rockets are being intercepted. So, the evidence proves that it is working, because we never hear of Hamas rockets blowing up. Like the 7 and 6 day wars, Israel should have been completely and utterly destroyed. There is no rational explanation for two tanks holding the Golan heights against 500 Syrian tanks, none for an entire battalion surrendering to one Israeli soldier, then after being interviewed all claiming it wasn’t one soldier, but hundreds. I can go on and on.

If science proves this cannot work, but it IS working. Then you have to accept the obvious truth. Which is: God is protecting Israel.


6 posted on 08/18/2014 1:36:04 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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The author is an idiot.
There is always a viable intercept plot for any incoming warhead.
The issue is in time management.
From detection to plotting to firing to interception is sometimes too long.
Other times, its ridiculously easy and could be done on paper with a protractor and a ruler.
Ciws works, as does the standard sm3 system for inbound threats to ships.
Does he seriously suggest that the navy can’t hit incoming missiles?
It is, at heart, a math problem.


7 posted on 08/18/2014 1:36:24 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee! First one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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As it is, the Pali’s can’t understand why their missiles don’t hit th”God” seems to send the missiles into another direction. Iron dome might help a little, but Israel’s God is still bigger than the gods of her enemies! :-)


8 posted on 08/18/2014 1:42:46 AM PDT by PrairieLady2
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If science proves this cannot work, but it IS working. Then you have to accept the obvious truth. Which is: God is protecting Israel.

True but the science does work.

9 posted on 08/18/2014 1:49:48 AM PDT by fso301
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Tell me when has missile defense ever worked beyond what I have always heard? The best I have ever heard, besides the Iron Dome was somewhere around 20-40%. I’ve seen many people blast the fact that it’s just not possible. Unless you can perfectly plot the trajectories of both missiles, in time to launch the second and have it intercept the first.

So what makes Israels Iron Dome different? It is provided by American engineers, isn’t it? I understand enough of the science to know that it would be very very hard to work, and that everyone else who has tried can’t get it to work 90-95%.


10 posted on 08/18/2014 1:54:22 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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Since his contention is that these “crude rockets” with their 10 to 20 pound warheads aren’t “lethal weapons” (his actual claim), perhaps he’s willing to demonstrate that claim by having one detonate under his office chair. We need proof.


11 posted on 08/18/2014 2:03:44 AM PDT by Bob
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Tell me when has missile defense ever worked beyond what I have always heard? The best I have ever heard, besides the Iron Dome was somewhere around 20-40%. I’ve seen many people blast the fact that it’s just not possible. Unless you can perfectly plot the trajectories of both missiles, in time to launch the second and have it intercept the first.

So what makes Israels Iron Dome different? It is provided by American engineers, isn’t it? I understand enough of the science to know that it would be very very hard to work, and that everyone else who has tried can’t get it to work 90-95%.

I don't know details about the rockets used by Hamas but assume none have a top speed of more than mach 2.5. So, they basically fly at about the speed of a fighter jet on afterburner. Probably less. The trajectory is predictable.

At launch, the Iron Dome missile only has to get to an approximate intercept point at which time an active/passive seeker will home it in. Proximity fuzing does the rest.

12 posted on 08/18/2014 2:19:18 AM PDT by fso301
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Right, but if it can’t intercept the missile. Then it has to catch it. At that point how can there be enough time to catch it? 90% of the time.


13 posted on 08/18/2014 2:22:41 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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something ELSE must be causing the missile defense to work...

Yes. And here’s why -
http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/2014/08/05/their-god-changes-the-path-of-our-rockets-in-mid-air-said-a-terrorist-reports-of-divine-intervention-in-gaza-war/


14 posted on 08/18/2014 2:25:31 AM PDT by Paisan
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Call it a billion dollar + scam. Add another congressionally funded $225 million tax dollars. Expect millions more on request....

The notion is more hoax than possibility. His reasoning was detailed and technical. What's supposed to work doesn't as claimed .

Sounds a lot like Anthropogenic Global Warming

15 posted on 08/18/2014 2:25:51 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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none for an entire battalion surrendering to one Israeli soldier, then after being interviewed all claiming it wasn’t one soldier, but hundreds. I can go on and on.

“Don't be afraid,” the prophet answered. “Those who are with us are more than those who are with them.”
And Elisha prayed, “Open his eyes, LORD, so that he may see.” Then the LORD opened the servant's eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha. 2 Kings 6:16-17

16 posted on 08/18/2014 2:34:35 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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Right, but if it can’t intercept the missile. Then it has to catch it. At that point how can there be enough time to catch it? 90% of the time.

Using the American football analogy of a defender apparently behind but to the side of a runner "having the angle" on the runner and making the tackle.

Secondly, the Iron Dome missile may be significantly faster than those of Hamas.

17 posted on 08/18/2014 2:36:08 AM PDT by fso301
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I’m not debating whether it works. I know it works, but I just don’t see how it is possible 90% of the time. Unless you know the trajectory before hand.

What are the flight times for a launch from Gaza to the closest Israeli city? Can’t be more than 2-3 minutes?


18 posted on 08/18/2014 2:37:53 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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19 posted on 08/18/2014 2:45:33 AM PDT by Bobalu (Neutrality helps the oppressor never the victim silence encourages the tormentor never the tormented)
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I’m not debating whether it works. I know it works, but I just don’t see how it is possible 90% of the time. Unless you know the trajectory before hand.

My understanding is less than 90% which is why two missiles are typically fired. The combines score may be 90 percent.

What are the flight times for a launch from Gaza to the closest Israeli city? Can’t be more than 2-3 minutes?

That is an eternity for computers and missiles. At launch, the Iron Dome radar should be able to classify the type target. Within a second it should be able to plot a trajectory. Assuming the Iron Dome missile flies at mach 3.0, it can go from launch straight up to 30K feet in less than 10 seconds.

20 posted on 08/18/2014 2:47:49 AM PDT by fso301
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