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OK:Failure of Victim Selection: Do not Burglarize a Gun Rights Supporter
Gun Watch ^ | 25 December, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 12/26/2014 4:53:53 AM PST by marktwain

Pastor Vinyard in his Church

It appears that the teen burglar did not read the papers.   It is foolish to burgle the house of a "vocal supporter of gun rights", and then attack them in their home.  Tom Vinyard is the senior pastor of Windsor Hills Baptist Church, and has been outspoken in his political beliefs.  From newsok.com:
A pastor at a northwest Oklahoma City church who has been a vocal proponent of gun rights has been cleared of wrongdoing in the fatal shooting of a 14-year-old boy at the pastor’s home.

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 The pastor arrived home about 3 p.m. and as he checked his house, he was attacked by the burglar, who had been hiding in a closet in a back bedroom, Prater said.
The pastor even put signs on his family's home warning criminals of the danger: From oklahomasentinel.com:
On December 23, police identified the alleged intruder as 14-year-old Keontre Reese. 
Several signs are posted around the pastor’s home. One on the front door reads, “Nothing on this property is worth your life.”
While on a mission in Africa, Pastor Vinyard's home was invaded and his skull fractured.   He and his family cooperated with the robbers, but it was not enough.  Highly restrictive gun laws in the country that they were in prevented them from being armed. 

I suspect that the experience did much to shape and reinforce Pastor Vinyard into the second amendment supporter that he is.

It is sad that his fourteen year old attacker did not pay attention in Sunday school, if he went, and did not heed the warnings on Pastor Vinyard's house.

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KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; gunrights; ok; selfprotection; tomvinyard
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To: fella

Sorry, I was being sarcastic. Seriously, how many “Keontre Resses” can there be?


41 posted on 12/26/2014 7:41:54 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: beebuster2000

“wow, 14 years old. that website is amazing.

guns, gang signs, drugs, money piles. honestly, what can you say?”

Well, he was industrious and apparently a budding businessman, anyway.


42 posted on 12/26/2014 7:44:03 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: MaxMax

Not at all. I could in no way see how they were related.

Luke 22:36

The Catholic Church believes that self defense (even the defense of property) can be lethal and I am a Catholic. I have a hard time imagining that there are Christians of any denomination who reject self defense entirely. Can you name one?


43 posted on 12/26/2014 7:49:30 AM PST by impimp
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To: marktwain

Think of it as Evolution in Action!


44 posted on 12/26/2014 8:04:36 AM PST by G-Bear (I am NOT a "vigilante." I am an "undocumented police officer.")
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To: marktwain

Out here in The Middle of Nowhere, anyone would have to be NUTS to try to burglarize a home. A shotgun blast would end that forthwith. And guess what! There are no burglaries. I don’t even lock the doors.


45 posted on 12/26/2014 8:05:24 AM PST by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

” Sorry, I was being sarcastic.”

Oh I knew that, I just saw a chance to run with it.

” Seriously, how many Keontre Resses” can there be?”

Considering the subculture we’re discussing, Umm a couple three hundred. A lot more will be named in the next few years.


46 posted on 12/26/2014 8:20:51 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: fella

I looked at all the lovely pictures of Keontre but did not see the one of him laying on a slab in the morgue!

The only thing that is ever going to stop this kind of bs is to prosecute the parents or guardian for THEIR son’s felony behavior just as if the son were acting on remote control.

on a bumper sticker: “your son burglarizes, you go to prison”......no exceptions.

A parent that could not control their kid could petition a court to exempt him/her from responsibility. In that case, and after a hearing, the kid goes straight in to the probation system. The mom or dad then should not get off scot free of dumping their punk on the taxpayer. Accordingly, as long as that kid is in the system, they should have to pay dollars each month sort of like “child support”.


47 posted on 12/26/2014 8:54:54 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: tbpiper
“Keontre” That’s an Irish name isn’t it?

Unless it's Keontre Yoder.

48 posted on 12/26/2014 9:21:39 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: marktwain

Environmentalists lose lead ammo ruling

TribLive

By The Associated Press
Tuesday, Dec. 23, 2014, 9:21 p.m.

WASHINGTON — A federal appeals court has ruled against environmentalists who are trying to force the Environmental Protection Agency to regulate spent lead bullets and lead shot used in hunting and shooting sports.

In a decision favorable to gun enthusiasts, the U.S. District Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit said Tuesday that environmental groups have suggested no way in which EPA could regulate spent lead bullets and shot without also regulating cartridges and shells.

The Toxic Substances Control Act exempts cartridges and shells from regulation.

The National Rifle Association and much of the pro-gun lobby intervened on the EPA’s side in urging the federal appeals court to uphold the dismissal of a lawsuit by 101 environmentalist organizations.

“Given that bullets and shot can become spent only if they are first contained in a cartridge or shell and then fired from a weapon,” the environmental groups “have identified no way in which EPA could regulate spent bullets and shot without also regulating cartridges and shells,” precisely what the law prohibits, said the decision by appeals judge David Tatel, a nominee of President Clinton. The other two judges on the case were Patricia Millett and Cornelia Pillard, both nominees of President Obama.

Read more: http://triblive.com/usworld/nation/7440766-74/lead-bullets-shot#ixzz3N1g4A5il
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49 posted on 12/26/2014 9:28:36 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: impimp
Are you new to this kind of news? Because I'm not typing out a dissertation to explain it all to you.
Go search anti-gun and have an education. Not sure if you're just trolling so I'll leave it at that.
50 posted on 12/26/2014 9:32:43 AM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Travis McGee
The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That is enough,” he replied. ”

Peter had one of them. When Peter, misreading the Mt. Olive arrest incident, drew his sword and wounded Malchus, the temple guard. But Jesus did not climb all over Peter like a sword-control fanatic. He just told Peter, "Ok, put your sidearm back in its holster," and fixed up the guard.

51 posted on 12/26/2014 11:14:39 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: impimp
I have a hard time imagining that there are Christians of any denomination who reject self defense entirely. Can you name one?

The whole PCUSA?

52 posted on 12/26/2014 11:18:25 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

My ex-wife is PCUSA to the bone, but when an ex-boyfriend of her daughter was stalking her, my ex-wife accepted the 410 shotgun I offered her for dealing with his ‘intrusion’ next time. Political correctness floats so long as the rocks of personal assault are not flying. we are seeing an increase of those stones, so look for more ‘personal protection’ episodes, some from previously dyed in the wool liberals. ... Come to think of it, ‘that’s a good thing’.


53 posted on 12/26/2014 11:22:58 AM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Cen-Tejas
The mom or dad then should not get off scot free of dumping their punk on the taxpayer. Accordingly, as long as that kid is in the system, they should have to pay dollars each month sort of like “child support”

Nope. We have reform schools for children uncontrollable by the parents. There is one about a mile from me. One of its teachers was my neighbor a few years ago, and we had some interesting chats on his role in the system.

Howevr, your proposition is unworkable, and also unScriptural, IMHO. If you want to check Ezekiel 18 out:

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him" (Ezek. 18:20 AV).

54 posted on 12/26/2014 11:45:06 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

Blessed are the peacemakers, for their caliber is high.


55 posted on 12/26/2014 12:23:56 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: imardmd1

Yep!


56 posted on 12/26/2014 1:14:27 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain

Dat ‘lil homeboy wanted to be a playa. He played...& he paid. Be nice if his homeboys learned a lesson, or three.


57 posted on 12/26/2014 2:35:52 PM PST by ResisTyr ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God " ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: imardmd1
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his hometown. "They shall say to the elders of his city, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.' "Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel will hear of it and fear. Sir, I think where you and I may be shouting at each other across the Rubicon is on one point. That point is that I want to switch "financial responsibility" for all these fatherless (bastard) kids OFF THE TAXPAYER and onto the mother and father that are quilty of breeding the kid knowing full well in the instant moment of copulation that they could not provide for him/her in the first place. Notwithstanding the financial responsibility part, and given your admirable interest in biblical teachings, I will wholeheartedly endorse Deuteronomy's ancient principal on the subject as quoted above. Hey, the Bible wins again!
58 posted on 12/26/2014 9:45:07 PM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: Cen-Tejas
With all respect, the Scripture you quote does not yield the outcome you would like. God's OT solution to the problem of the ungovernable youth is his death, with the sentence given by the elders, and the execution by all the men of the city.

The taxpayers are responsible to deal with the rebellious son. If they won't obey God and execute him, then they must take care of him otherwise. Sounds a bit rough, but that's the OT Scriptural way.

Looking into the NT text, one finds the parable of two sons, one of whom is a prodigal. His father gives him his share of the estate. After blowing it all, he winds up eating slops just to stay alive. No one feeds him freely, when he is not willing to work, not father, and not the public. That's the NT solution (Lk. 15:17).

59 posted on 12/27/2014 3:25:51 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: marktwain

Mark. Thanks for posting.


60 posted on 12/27/2014 9:56:18 AM PST by cyn (Benghazi.)
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