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We Can Kill Our Way to Victory (Greenfield)
Sultan Knish blog ^ | Sunday, February 22, 2015 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 02/22/2015 9:14:54 PM PST by Louis Foxwell

Sunday, February 22, 2015

We Can Kill Our Way to Victory

Posted by Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog

“We can not win this war by killing them,” Marie Harf said on MSNBC.

 Reversing thousands of years of battlefield experience in which wars were won by “killing them”, the State Department spokeswoman argued that you can’t defeat ISIS by killing its fighters.

"We can not kill our way out of this war,” she said. “We need in the medium and longer term to go after the root causes that lead people to join these groups, whether it is lack of opportunity for jobs."

War is one of the few things in life we can reliably kill our way out of. The United States has had a great track record of killing our way out of wars. We killed our way out of WW1. We killed our way out of WW2. The problem began when we stopped trying to kill our way out of wars and started trying to hug our way out of wars instead. Progressive academics added war to economics, terrorism and the climate in the list of subjects they did not understand and wanted to make certain that no one else was allowed to understand. Because the solution to war is so obvious that no progressive could possibly think of it.

Harf’s argument is a familiar one. There was a time when progressive reformers had convinced politicians that we couldn’t arrest, shoot, imprison or execute our way out of crime.

We couldn’t stop crime by fighting crime. Instead the root causes of crime had to be addressed. The police became social workers and criminals overran entire cities. The public demanded action and a new wave of mayors got tough on crime. While the sociologists, social workers, activists and bleeding hearts wailed that it wouldn’t work, surprisingly locking up criminals did stop them from committing crimes.

It was a revelation almost as surprising as realizing that it does take a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun. Addressing root causes won’t stop a killing spree in progress. (That’s another one of those things we can and do kill our way out of.)

But bad ideas are harder to kill than bad people. And stupid ideas are the hardest ideas of all to kill.

The same plan that failed to stop street gangs and drug dealers has been deployed to defeat ISIS. Heading it up are progressives who don’t believe that killing the enemy wins wars.

General Patton told the Third Army, “The harder we push, the more Germans we kill. The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed.” That kind of thinking is passé. General McChrystal, Obama’s favorite commander (before he had to be purged for insulting Obama) had a much better plan.

“We will not win based on the number of Taliban we kill,” he said. “We must avoid the trap of winning tactical victories—but suffering strategic defeats—by causing civilian casualties or excessive damage and thus alienating the people.”

Under Obama’s rotating shift of commanders, we avoided the trap of winning tactical victories. Instead of following Patton’s maxim, American casualties doubled. The Taliban struck closer to Kabul while US soldiers avoided engaging the enemy because they wouldn’t be given permission to attack unless the Taliban announced themselves openly while avoiding mosques or civilian buildings.

“We will not win simply by killing insurgents,” McChrystal had insisted. “We will help the Afghan people win by securing them, by protecting them from intimidation, violence and abuse.”

But we couldn’t protect the Afghan people without killing the Taliban. Civilian casualties caused by the United States fell 28 percent, but the Taliban more than made up for it by increasing their killing of civilians by 40 percent. Not only did we avoid the trap of a tactical victory, but we also suffered a strategic defeat. American soldiers couldn’t kill insurgents, protect civilians or even protect themselves. We’ve tried the McChrystal way and over 2,000 American soldiers came home in boxes from Afghanistan trying to win the hearts and minds of the Afghans. Many more returned missing arms and legs. The Taliban poll badly among Afghans, but instead of hiring a PR expert to improve their image, a Pentagon report expects them to be encircling key cities by 2017.

Unlike our leaders, the Taliban are not worried about falling into the trap of winning tactical victories. They are big believers in killing their way to popularity. As ISIS and Boko Haram have demonstrated, winning by killing works better than trying to win by wars by winning polls.

Now the same whiz kids that looked for the root cause of the problem in Afghanistan by dumping money everywhere, including into companies linked to Al Qaeda and the Taliban, think that the way to beat ISIS is with unemployment centers and job training. Many of the ISIS Jihadists come from the social welfare paradises of Europe where there are more people employed to find the root causes of terrorism through welfare than there are people working to fight them. So far they haven’t had much luck either.

The Europeans were still searching for the root causes of Muslim terrorism back when Obama was smoking pot on a dirty couch. They’re still searching for them even while newspapers, cafes and synagogues are shot up. Meanwhile unarmed police officers lie on the ground and beg for their lives.

Obama’s real ISIS strategy is even worse than his Afghan strategy. He doesn’t have a plan for beating ISIS. He has a plan for preventing it from expanding while the sociologists try to figure out the root causes for its popularity. American air power isn’t there to crush ISIS. It’s there to stop it from launching any major advances and embarrassing him too much. Meanwhile hearts and minds will be won. At least those minds that haven’t been beheaded and those hearts that haven’t been burned to ash.

We won’t be falling into the trap of winning victories. Instead we’ll be figuring out how to create jobs so that all the ISIS fighters go home to Copenhagen and Paris where they won’t be Obama’s problem.

But while it’s tempting to believe that stupid ideas like these are solely the realm of lefties like Obama, it was Mitt Romney who announced during the final debate that, “We can't kill our way out of this mess.”

“We're going to have to put in place a very comprehensive and robust strategy to help the world of Islam and other parts of the world, reject this radical violent extremism,” he insisted, calling for education and economic development.

“Killing our way out of this mess” has become an orphaned strategy. Neither Democrats nor
Republicans want to take it home with them. But killing our way out of wars used to be a bipartisan strategy.

Truman believed in a plan to “kill as many as possible.” Eisenhower could casually write, “We should have killed more of them.” But why listen to the leaders who oversaw America’s last great war when we can instead listen to the architects of the social strategy that turned our cities into war zones?

What did Eisenhower and Truman know that Obama doesn’t? They knew war.

Truman cheated his way into WW1, despite being an only son and half-blind. He took the initiative and took the war to the enemy. They don’t make Democrats like that anymore. They do make Democrats like Barack Obama, who use Marines as umbrella stands and whose strategy is not to offend the enemy.

In Afghanistan, the top brass considered a medal for “courageous restraint”. If we go on trying to not kill our way out of Iraq, that medal will go well with all the burned bodies and severed heads.


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Religion
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To: Louis Foxwell
Example: Every time Israel kills One of these Monkeys. The next day Thousands of them March down the street in it's funeral. I would bomb the funerals.
21 posted on 02/23/2015 5:28:35 AM PST by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Yep. The “root causes” are Islam, inbreeding, low IQ, and a crap culture. The only cure for it is to bomb the snot out of it.


22 posted on 02/23/2015 5:49:39 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Louis Foxwell

Greenfield’s wrong.

Think of all the lives that could have been saved during World War II if only we had stated jobs programs for German and Japanese youth... rather than fighting them.

It boggles the mind.../s


23 posted on 02/23/2015 6:31:37 AM PST by GOPJ (Buying an American newspaper is a donation to the Democrat Party.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
What our President said about Mohammed... the capitalization is his, in his original essay:

"He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST - TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE…. Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant ... While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men."

Excellent students of history will wonder about the "1200 years" comment, since Islam began 1400 years ago. The trick is that this was written by our President... our 6th President... John Quincy Adams, in 1830.

Our problems with Islam are not new, and they are not about jobs.

24 posted on 02/23/2015 6:37:44 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Actually, there is a moment in every war where Harf’s statement is true, the instant when the losing side realizes that they cannot or will not win.

In the aftermath of Little Bighorn, when the US cavalry brought down the thunder from the skies, the Indians realized that they could not kill their way out of the war with the United States.

When Berlin was surrounded, the Germans realized that they could not kill their way out of World War II.

After two atomic bombs, Japan realized it could not kill its way out of World War II.

After the first shot is fired and the enemy fights back, liberals and progressives in the vicinity of any war begin the cry that they cannot kill their way out of war, after which they begin a campaign to fulfill the prophecy of losers, undermining any strategy or person with the power and will to win.


25 posted on 02/23/2015 6:40:05 AM PST by StAntKnee (Add your own danged sarc tag)
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To: Teacher317
That quote is worth saving and clipping every much as Churchill's famous quote in The River War. Where did you find it?
26 posted on 02/23/2015 7:12:43 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: GOPJ

“Think of all the lives that could have been saved during World War II if only we had stated jobs programs for German and Japanese youth... rather than fighting them.”


WWII was a jobs program - except the enemy themselves were arranging to come to take over our jobs. The only difference this time is that some intruder got into the white house and is from their coaxing us to invite them to take our jobs.

(It would sure help if we would populate the earth with Christians rather than insult God with birth control and abortion. Then the invaders wouldn’t be demographically overwhelming us and God might actually fight against them with us. But until then...)


27 posted on 02/23/2015 7:15:33 AM PST by Repent and Believe (...prelates must be questioned, even publicly, by their subjects. - Saint Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Vigilanteman

Somewhere else on FR, I’m sure. Just spreading it as much as possible, because it deserves it. :)


28 posted on 02/23/2015 9:14:11 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
There’s an excellent companion piece titled “The Only Strategy to Defeat Jihad” by Jonathan David Carson, Feb. 11, American Thinker. The author posits that the enemy is no longer afraid of us due largely to the end of colonialism.

IMHO, the other big reason this particular enemy isn't afraid of us is the ridiculous win-on-the-ground, surrender-by-the-Congress mess John Kerry and Teddy Kennedy made of the Vietnam war. If not for the bleeding hearts in DC hamstringing our military, we could have been in and out of there with a clear victory. But no.

Surely the islamists made careful note of that, followed by Jummah Cahtah's mess with the Ayatollah and not being able to summon the strength to get our men out of captivity.

It reminds me again with yearning for the simplicity and profundity of Reagan's foreign policy: "We win; they lose."

29 posted on 02/23/2015 11:25:06 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Why would you want to "fundamentally change" a country you love?)
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To: Reno89519

So you want U.S. troops to become Muslim?


30 posted on 02/24/2015 11:40:21 PM PST by nickcarraway
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