Posted on 04/07/2015 7:40:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
You don't do it at all, I wish you could, but you never do, you don't seem to know anything about it at all, at least not that we can see through your posts.
“We know NEAR the blast is a strong EMP”
We know that a source-region EMP effect is very strong (near a ground burst, for instance) But we also know that a high-altitude EMP is also very strong. So just look up MIL-STD-188-125-1, will you? It’s not a perfect document, but it’s pretty good. You will see what the military does, and probably be able to figure out why.
“Which begs the question of why that wasn’t our plan in the event of nuclear war.”
You didn’t even look it up on “wikipedia”! I just checked and they actually have a fairly comprehensive and accurate article. They go into military use of EMP.
You refuse to learn, my friend - as I have pointed out previously.
You do have a good working understanding of logical fallacies and how to misapply them.
This alone would cause mass hysteria, imagine kids who couldn't text or update facebook every two minutes.
“Was the data that was collected in the past pre IC integration? Are there subsequent studies on how an EMP would affect our current electronics with IC integration?”
Yes. So we don’t have a good understanding (at least that is unclassified) of how modern electronics is impacted.
But we do know this: Electronics get faster over time, and one way they do that is to get dimensionally smaller - and the smaller semiconductor dimensions make the junction more vulnerable.
The conclusion is that if you DO NOTHING about EMP you are getting more vulnerable over time as you replace electronics with subsequent more capable generations.
alternet article from 2005?
Did you read MIL STD-188-125-1 or the Wikipedia page? Come on man, quit being stupid.
” you don’t seem to know anything about it at all,”
Yet you are afraid to private message me to find out for sure.
More ad hominems. Really, you’ve lost. Time to man up. Admit you don’t have facts, or just stop posting. Your next post is your last shot. If there’s no facts there we will all know you’re full of it, and no more of your fact free stuff will be read. Make it count.
You are in the bottom quartile of cognition - amongst your peers - even when provided the materials to learn, you are too ignorant to know what you do not know.
This is an actual study, by the way. You are classically bottom quartile.
Incredible. So you claim to actually be the expert that you pretend to be, but that you just can’t think of anything on threads, you can only sound knowledgeable in secret, in private.
What a whack case.
Thanks for your answer. It is my understanding that it is the IC's that are what is vulnerable to EMP and being that they are in about 100% of everything electronics these days, seems to me there is a logical cause for concern.
IIRC correctly congress tried to pass a bill to have critical infrastructure hardened but it was never passed due to a lib congress critter...can't recall her name though or the specifics other then it was about five or so years ago and the cost would be a couple of billion.
” It is my understanding that it is the IC’s that are what is vulnerable to EMP and being that they are in about 100% of everything electronics these days, seems to me there is a logical cause for concern.”
You’re correct. There are also non-electronic elements that are vulnerable - some transformer windings, motor windings for instance. But semiconductor junctions are the most problematic. Virtually every semiconductor technology is vulnerable in some way.
It IS possible to protect them - but this sort of protection costs money - and in an era of cost minimization it’s easy to overlook something that adds cost.
“IIRC correctly congress tried to pass a bill to have critical infrastructure hardened but it was never passed due to a lib congress critter.”
It was called the “shield act”. It’s sort of still percolating out there - but like anything government there are problems with that approach. My opinion is it would take much more than a couple billion. That figure might be adequate for hardening against a solar storm.
I did a quick Google for “emp affect on ic” and found a whole lot of info. This is one of the first articles to come up: http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1549/2
Yep, read that. It’s very smart and very NOT the end of the world.
Power just went out in the DC area.
“What a whack case.”
I could be. I think you mean “whack job” though. You won’t know for sure though because you are afraid to message me. I’m really quite approachable, albeit, annoying when I am refuting misinformation - I admit that much.
As for knowledge - You, too, could read the sources I posted on the thread if you want basic sourced knowledge. You should go back thread and find those if you really want to learn something.
You gotta admit though, I just might be the “expert” that you say I pretend to be.
Thanks....my Dad is an engineer who specialized in mostly power supplies and high power conversion and has well over 50 years experience. He’s done a lot of military work as well as in the space field.
Suffice it to say, he has great concern over EMP and the effect it would have on our grid and other vulnerable electronics. Given that I know of his history and accomplishments in his field, if he says there is a problem, I’ll believe what he has to say.
I know that article and already had it, I have been interested in EMPs for decades, even back in the military when it was a hassle for us because it increased the weight of our radios and gear, while some of our allies carried lighter, and even unit self designed radios, that were not EMP protected.
I’m surprised at how little agreement there is on it’s effects, the arguments just go back and forth.
I did read it and don’t know if it would be the end of the world. I did note that they however pointed out several times that they were relying on unclassified information so there seems to be much we don’t know, I think it is an issue that should cause some concern though.
The “money quote” from your good article:
“The effects of prompt, E1 EMP on ICs cannot be calculated directly without knowledge of the details of the particular electronic system set-up. “
That’s the point I’ve been trying to make on this thread to the chagrin of some - it’s a problem - we just don’t know how bad it’s going to be. That’s where the research effort should be expended, in my opinion.
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