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Michael Moore calls for full disarmament of police, wants prisons cleared
United Press International ^ | April 30, 2015 | Marilyn Malara

Posted on 05/01/2015 1:41:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

FLINT, Mich., April 30 (UPI) -- Michael Moore turned to Twitter Thursday morning to voice his demands to society in the wake of civil unrest in Baltimore.

"Imprison u, shoot u, sever your spine, crush your larynx, send u to war, keep u poor, call u a thug, not let u vote. But u can sing for us," the controversial film director tweeted to his 1.83 million followers.

He went on to demand that all African-Americans currently incarcerated for non-violent or drug crimes to be released immediately. "I don't believe 50% of them did what they're accused of," he said. "Lies. Greed. A modern day slave system."

"Poor whites 2," he added.

He also called for the disarmament of all police, claiming that privately owned guns will work just as well among citizens "til the right cops r hired."

"Local cops now militarized. Founding Fathers said NO army policing on our soil. Why do cops have tanks? Oh, right - the Enemy: The Black Man," he concluded....

(Excerpt) Read more at upi.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: 3rdthread; baltimore; blackkk; blacks; elijahcummings; lawenforcement; maryland; michaelmoore; newsyesterday
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1 posted on 05/01/2015 1:41:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does he post on here too because I’ve read that a couple of times in the last few months?


2 posted on 05/01/2015 1:42:55 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Too bad the rioters don’t burn his house down.


3 posted on 05/01/2015 1:43:52 PM PDT by 1L
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let’s send all the “clearees” to his house for BBQ!


4 posted on 05/01/2015 1:43:57 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So nobody’s there that ought to be there. That’s what Mikey is saying.

What a= repugnant, odorous offense to those whose lives have been irreparably shattered, murdered, scarred, raped, beaten, robbed, and whose families have been scarred forever, by those very criminals.


5 posted on 05/01/2015 1:44:07 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The guys he wants to release would render him down for the heating value of his fat. Rabble rousing hypocrite.


6 posted on 05/01/2015 1:45:24 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OK, prisoners party at the Fat Guy’s place!!!!


7 posted on 05/01/2015 1:46:11 PM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why does anyone take anything this guy says seriously?


8 posted on 05/01/2015 1:47:04 PM PDT by WayneS (Barack Obama makes Neville Chamberlin look like George Patton.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks to the internet, we can track the left’s descent into madness.


9 posted on 05/01/2015 1:48:00 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He went on to demand that all African-Americans currently incarcerated for non-violent or drug crimes to be released immediately.

What a racist thing to demand. What about all the non-African-Americans incarcerated for non-violent crimes?

10 posted on 05/01/2015 1:48:08 PM PDT by WayneS (Barack Obama makes Neville Chamberlin look like George Patton.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Statements like those from this scum proves he suffers from mental disorder.


11 posted on 05/01/2015 1:48:08 PM PDT by jazusamo (0bama to go 'full-Mussolini' after elections: Mark Levin....and the turkey has.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Democrats. They just ... say stuff.


12 posted on 05/01/2015 1:48:44 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Democrats. They just ... say stuff.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Imprison u, shoot u, sever your spine, crush your larynx, send u to war, keep u poor, call u a thug, not let u vote. But u can sing for us,”

First of all, what’s up with the lack of grammar? Second of all, this tub of lard with millions of dollars is criticizing others for “keeping others poor”. Why doesn’t he spread the wealth a little and give up his mansion? He can let all the poor black people live in it.


13 posted on 05/01/2015 1:49:01 PM PDT by Politicalkiddo ("We must see that the world is rough and surly, and will not mind drowning a man or woman" - Emerson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I call for full arming of the public, not disarmament of the police.

But like Jabba the Hut I also call for hanging all the true rapists, (not the date rape, eye rape, emotional rape, regret rape, I was drunk rape ... but the screaming violent rape-rape) and murders, releasing all the loser druggies with no chance for government handouts and enslaving all the thieves to hard labor to pay back 4x restitution for what they stole. But leave a few prisons open for layers and politicians.

14 posted on 05/01/2015 1:49:41 PM PDT by DaveyB (Live free or die!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The fat collapsed his brain.


15 posted on 05/01/2015 1:49:57 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These people are like suicide bombers. They know the changes they advocate will hurt them and members of their families, but they don’t care because they believe it will hurt the enemy (which is us) more.


16 posted on 05/01/2015 1:50:37 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP for A Slower Handbasket)
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To: manc

24 January 1788

To the People of the State of New-York.

The liberties of a people are in danger from a large standing army, not only because the rulers may employ them for the purposes of supporting themselves in any usurpations of power, which they may see proper to exercise, but there is great hazard, that an army will subvert the forms of the government, under whose authority, they are raised, and establish one, according to the pleasure of their leader.

We are informed, in the faithful pages of history, of such events frequently happening. — Two instances have been mentioned in a former paper. They are so remarkable, that they are worthy of the most careful attention of every lover of freedom. — They are taken from the history of the two most powerful nations that have ever existed in the world; and who are the most renowned, for the freedom they enjoyed, and the excellency of their constitutions: — I mean Rome and Britain.

In the first, the liberties of the commonwealth was destroyed, and the constitution overturned, by an army, lead by Julius Cesar, who was appointed to the command, by the constitutional authority of that commonwealth. He changed it from a free republic, whose fame had sounded, and is still celebrated by all the world, into that of the most absolute despotism. A standing army effected this change, and a standing army supported it through a succession of ages, which are marked in the annals of history, with the most horrid cruelties, bloodshed, and carnage; — The most devilish, beastly, and unnatural vices, that ever punished or disgraced human nature.

The same army, that in Britain, vindicated the liberties of that people from the encroachments and despotism of a tyrant king, assisted Cromwell, their General, in wresting from the people, that liberty they had so dearly earned.

You may be told, these instances will not apply to our case: — But those who would persuade you to believe this, either mean to deceive you, or have not themselves considered the subject.

I firmly believe, no country in the world had ever a more patriotic army, than the one which so ably served this country, in the late war.

But had the General who commanded them, been possessed of the spirit of a Julius Cesar or a Cromwell, the liberties of this country, had in all probability, terminated with the war; or had they been maintained, might have cost more blood and treasure, than was expended in the conflict with Great-Britain. When an anonimous writer addressed the officers of the army at the close of the war, advising them not to part with their arms, until justice was done them — the effect it had is well known. It affected them like an electric shock. He wrote like Cesar; and had the commander in chief, and a few more officers of rank, countenanced the measure, the desperate resolution had been taken, to refuse to disband. What the consequences of such a determination would have been, heaven only knows. — The army were in the full vigor of health and spirits, in the habit of discipline, and possessed of all our military stores and apparatus. They would have acquired great accessions of strength from the country. — Those who were disgusted at our republican forms of government (for such there then were, of high rank among us) would have lent them all their aid. — We should in all probability have seen a constitution and laws, dictated to us, at the head of an army, and at the point of a bayonet, and the liberties for which we had so severely struggled, snatched from us in a moment. It remains a secret, yet to be revealed, whether this measure was not suggested, or at least countenanced, by some, who have had great influence in producing the present system. — Fortunately indeed for this country, it had at the head of the army, a patriot as well as a general; and many of our principal officers, had not abandoned the characters of citizens, by assuming that of soldiers, and therefore, the scheme proved abortive. But are we to expect, that this will always be the case? Are we so much better than the people of other ages and of other countries, that the same allurements of power and greatness, which led them aside from their duty, will have no influence upon men in our country? Such an idea, is wild and extravagant. — Had we indulged such a delusion, enough has appeared in a little time past, to convince the most credulous, that the passion for pomp, power and greatness, works as powerfully in the hearts of many of our better sort, as it ever did in any country under heaven. — Were the same opportunity again to offer, we should very probably be grossly disappointed, if we made dependence, that all who then rejected the overture, would do it again.

From these remarks, it appears, that the evil to be feared from a large standing army in time of peace, does not arise solely from the apprehension, that the rulers may employ them for the purpose of promoting their own ambitious views, but that equal, and perhaps greater danger, is to be apprehended from their overturning the constitutional powers of the government, and assuming the power to dictate any form they please.

The advocates for power, in support of this right in the proposed government, urge that a restraint upon the discretion of the legislatures, in respect to military establishments in time of peace, would be improper to be imposed, because they say, it will be necessary to maintain small garrisons on the frontiers, to guard against the depredations of the Indians, and to be prepared to repel any encroachments or invasions that may be made by Spain or Britain.

The amount of this argument striped of the abundant verbages with which the author has dressed it, is this:

It will probably be necessary to keep up a small body of troops to garrison a few posts, which it will be necessary to maintain, in order to guard against the sudden encroachments of the Indians, or of the Spaniards and British; and therefore, the general government ought to be invested with power to raise and keep up a standing army in time of peace, without restraint; at their discretion.

I confess, I cannot perceive that the conclusion follows from the premises. Logicians say, it is not good reasoning to infer a general conclusion from particular premises: though I am not much of a Logician, it seems to me, this argument is very like that species of reasoning.

When the patriots in the parliament in Great-Britain, contended with such force of argument, and all the powers of eloquence, against keeping up standing armies in time of peace, it is obvious, they never entertained an idea, that small garrisons on their frontiers, or in the neighbourhood of powers, from whom they were in danger of encroachments, or guards, to take care of public arsenals would thereby be prohibited.

The advocates for this power farther urge that it is necessary, because it may, and probably will happen, that circumstances will render it requisite to raise an army to be prepared to repel attacks of an enemy, before a formal declaration of war, which in modern times has fallen into disuse. If the constitution prohibited the raising an army, until a war actually commenced, it would deprive the government of the power of providing for the defence of the country, until the enemy were within our territory. If the restriction is not to extend to the raising armies in cases of emergency, but only to the keeping them up, this would leave the matter to the discretion of the legislature; and they might, under the pretence that there was danger of an invasion, keep up the army as long as they judged proper — and hence it is inferred, that the legislature should have authority to raise and keep up an army without any restriction. But from these premises nothing more will follow than this, that the legislature should not be so restrained, as to put it out of their power to raise an army, when such exigencies as are instanced shall arise. But it does not thence follow, that the government should be empowered to raise and maintain standing armies at their discretion as well in peace as in war. If indeed, it is impossible to vest the general government with the power of raising troops to garrison the frontier posts, to guard arsenals, or to be prepared to repel an attack, when we saw a power preparing to make one, without giving them a general and indefinite authority, to raise and keep up armies, without any restriction or qualification, then this reasoning might have weight; but this has not been proved nor can it be.

It is admitted that to prohibit the general government, from keeping up standing armies, while yet they were authorised to raise them in case of exigency, would be an insufficient guard against the danger. A discretion of such latitude would give room to elude the force of the provision.

It is also admitted that an absolute prohibition against raising troops, except in cases of actual war, would be improper; because it will be requisite to raise and support a small number of troops to garrison the important frontier posts, and to guard arsenals; and it may happen, that the danger of an attack from a foreign power may be so imminent, as to render it highly proper we should raise an army, in order to be prepared to resist them. But to raise and keep up forces for such purposes and on such occasions, is not included in the idea, of keeping up standing armies in times of peace.

It is a thing very practicable to give the government sufficient authority to provide for these cases, and at the same time to provide a reasonable and competent security against the evil of a standing army — a clause to the following purpose would answer the end:

As standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, and have often been the means of overturning the best constitutions of government, no standing army, or troops of any description whatsoever, shall be raised or kept up by the legislature, except so many as shall be necessary for guards to the arsenals of the United States, or for garrisons to such posts on the frontiers, as it shall be deemed absolutely necessary to hold, to secure the inhabitants, and facilitate the trade with the Indians: unless when the United States are threatened with an attack or invasion from some foreign power, in which case the legislature shall be authorised to raise an army to be prepared to repel the attack; provided that no troops whatsoever shall be raised in time of peace, without the assent of two thirds of the members, composing both houses of the legislature.

A clause similar to this would afford sufficient latitude to the legislature to raise troops in all cases that were really necessary, and at the same time competent security against the establishment of that dangerous engine of despotism a standing army.

The same writer who advances the arguments I have noticed, makes a number of other observations with a view to prove that the power to raise and keep up armies, ought to be discretionary in the general legislature; some of them are curious; he instances the raising of troops in Massachusetts and Pennsylvania, to shew the necessity of keeping a standing army in time of peace; the least reflection must convince every candid mind that both these cases are totally foreign to his purpose — Massachusetts raised a body of troops for six months, at the expiration of which they were to disband of course; this looks very little like a standing army. But beside, was that commonwealth in a state of peace at that time? So far from it that they were in the most violent commotions and contents, and their legislature had formally declared that an unnatural rebellion existed within the state. The situation of Pennsylvania was similar; a number of armed men had levied war against the authority of the state, and openly avowed their intention of withdrawing their allegiance from it. To what purpose examples are brought, of states raising troops for short periods in times of war or insurrections, on a question concerning the propriety of keeping up standing armies in times of peace, the public must judge.

It is farther said, that no danger can arise from this power being lodged in the hands of the general government, because the legislatures will be a check upon them, to prevent their abusing it.

This is offered, as what force there is in it will hereafter receive a more particular examination. At present, I shall only remark, that it is difficult to conceive how the state legislatures can, in any case, hold a check over the general legislature, in a constitutional way. The latter has, in every instance to which their powers extend, complete controul over the former. The state legislatures can, in no case, by law, resolution, or otherwise, of right, prevent or impede the general government, from enacting any law, or executing it, which this constitution authorizes them to enact or execute. If then the state legislatures check the general legislatures [sic], it must be by exciting the people to resist constitutional laws. In this way every individual, or every body of men, may check any government, in proportion to the influence they may have over the body of the people. But such kinds of checks as these, though they sometimes correct the abuses of government, oftner destroy all government.

It is further said, that no danger is to be apprehended from the exercise of this power, because it is lodged in the hands of representatives of the people; if they abuse it, it is in the power of the people to remove them, and chuse others who will pursue their interests. Not to repeat what has been said before, That it is unwise in any people, to authorize their rulers to do, what, if done, would prove injurious — I have, in some former numbers, shewn, that the representation in the proposed government will be a mere shadow without the substance. I am so confident that I am well founded in this opinion, that I am persuaded, if it was to be adopted or rejected, upon a fair discussion of its merits, without taking into contemplation circumstances extraneous to it, as reasons for its adoption, nineteen-twentieths of the sensible men in the union would reject it on this account alone; unless its powers were confined to much fewer objects than it embraces.

Brutus.



17 posted on 05/01/2015 1:52:12 PM PDT by kiryandil (Egging the battleship USS Sarah Palin from their little Progressive rowboats...)
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... claiming that privately owned guns will work just as well among citizens "til the right cops r hired." ...
"Local cops now militarized. Founding Fathers said NO army policing on our soil."...


Wait a second, he got two things almost right. Advocating private guns and quoting founding fathers.
Did Michael Moore really write this?

18 posted on 05/01/2015 1:54:07 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And what Michael Moore wants is news because????


19 posted on 05/01/2015 1:54:12 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Politicalkiddo

And what year did the draft end? Who is “sending” people to war against their will?


20 posted on 05/01/2015 1:55:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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