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Game of Thrones S05E08 discussion thread

Posted on 06/01/2015 7:23:02 AM PDT by martin_fierro

Winter is Coming


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To: KC_Lion
It's a shame that you dont care for the white walker parts... because honestly the whole series is about that.

The summer has lasted so long the people have forgotten why that Targarians ruled them to begin with and why the Targarians intermarried.

The dragons are needed to fight the white walkers, and only the Targarians can command the dragons. The dragons contribute both directly in battle and also indirectly by making dragon glass which is one of the only things that will kill a walker.

21 posted on 06/01/2015 8:24:39 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, & R)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
"forgotten why that Targarians ruled them to begin with and why the Targarians intermarried."

So what you are saying means there would have to be another Targaryen for Dany to marry. Is Jon Snow really a Targaryen? Will he and Dany marry and rule on the Iron Throne in the end?
22 posted on 06/01/2015 8:28:25 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

I am positive Jon Snow isn’t Ned Starks bastard.

But I am not so sure he is the other Targarian (and there is another)

But if he is, it wouldn’t keep them from marrying since Targarians married each other anyway.


23 posted on 06/01/2015 8:33:24 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, & R)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
"It's a shame that you dont care for the white walker parts... because honestly the whole series is about that."

This other tidbit you mentioned. Perhaps people forget the absolute very first scene of the whole series. It wasn't King Baratheon or Ned Stark or a Lannister. It is three nights watchmen confronting (unsuccessfully) a white walker.
24 posted on 06/01/2015 8:47:35 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: TexasFreeper2009

One other thing also, if she defeats the white walkers at the wall and saves the seven kingdoms, then sits on the iron throne, she can push through the reforms that she talked about in this episode that lead to “breaking the wheel”. The rich and poor alike will need her and her dragons and so will have to listen to her. That would be the ultimate power play (i.e. game of thrones)


25 posted on 06/01/2015 8:50:58 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I am positive Jon Snow isn’t Ned Starks bastard.

A popular theory is that Jon Snow isn't Ned's bastard, he's the child of his sister Lyanna Stark and Crown Prince Rhaegar Targaryen.

She was promised to Robert Baratheon, the king in the 1st season but ran off/was abducted with Rhaegar.

She was found by Ned in bed with a pool of blood. Her last words were "Promise me Ned".

Theory goes that the blood came from a difficult birth of Jon and she made Ned promise to raise him and not tell anyone of his Targaryen ancestry.

It would make sense, Ned having an affair is quite out of character.

26 posted on 06/01/2015 8:51:44 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: TexasFreeper2009
"I am also guessing that Jon Snow will eventually wed Daneries after they defeat the undead."

Jon Snow = Ice
Daenerys Targaryen = Fire

A Song of Ice and Fire

27 posted on 06/01/2015 9:04:07 AM PDT by GregoTX (Remember the Alamo)
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To: Snickering Hound

That’s possible.

I agree completely that Ned having an affair seems out of character. And it’s quite possible that it was his sisters child that he swore to keep secret and raised as his own bastard.

Prime suspects for the father would be Rhaegar or Robert.

Robert as the father seems unlikely at this point because it seems if that were true then Ned would declared him the true heir to Roberts thrown and not Stannis.

Rhaegar’s bastard with Ned’s sister would resolve several issues, mainly where is the missing Targarion (and there is at least one), and Jon Snows obvious hidden royal linage.


28 posted on 06/01/2015 9:09:55 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, & R)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I also find it interesting that both Jon and Tyrians mothers both died in childbirth.

Is it possible that one of the reasons Targarions only marry each other is that a non Targarion isn’t able to live through the birth of a dragon?

And if so... that might suggest that both Jon Snow and Tyrian are Targarion bastards and half brothers.

Which would be interesting because that would give us three potential riders for the three dragons.


29 posted on 06/01/2015 9:16:09 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, & R)
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To: GregoTX
Jon Snow = Ice

Daenerys Targaryen = Fire

A Song of Ice and Fire


Wow! I never thought of that!

30 posted on 06/01/2015 9:23:38 AM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: TexasFreeper2009

If Jon Snow and Dany marry, we’ll have a king with a dire wolf and a queen with dragons; that’ll be cool.


31 posted on 06/01/2015 9:28:02 AM PDT by chud
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To: martin_fierro

At what point does Jack Bauer enter for a day?

He only needs just ONE DAY mind you.


32 posted on 06/01/2015 9:28:03 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Snickering Hound; TexasFreeper2009

And don’t forget Dany’s vision of the Blue Rose coming out of a wall of ice.

Rhaegar passed over his own wife and gave Lyanna a blue rose after he won the tournament. Wall of ice needs no explanation.


33 posted on 06/01/2015 9:38:59 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("I'm not questioning your honor...I'm denying its existence." - Tyrion Lannister)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

In the books, the other Targaryen, Aegon VI, is already accounted for. He just hasn’t showed up in the series.

He’s the son of Rhaegar and his wife Elia Martel. He was supposed to have been killed but it turns out he was switched with another infant by Varys when Gregor supposedly killed him, his mother and sister.

He shows back up with an army and takes several castles in Westeros and lays siege to the Baratheon seat Storms End.

So your 3 dragon riders would be Aegon, Daenerys, and...Jon Snow.


34 posted on 06/01/2015 9:40:20 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: TexasFreeper2009
"if that were true then Ned would declared him the true heir to Roberts thrown and not Stannis."

As has been pointed out numerous times on the show, a child born of royal blood on both sides always has the stronger claim to the throne than a bastard child. The bastard children do not even get to claim their lineage, hence the name snow. That said, if Jon's mother is indeed Eddard's sister, I doubt if Robert is the father. Keep in mind that Eddard's sister was betrothed to Robert Baratheon when Rheagar "kidnapped" her (or ran away with him if you believe the theory). This is what started Robert's rebellion and eventually dethroned and destroyed the house Targaryen. If Robert is the father, who is the mother? It can't be Eddard's sister Lyanna. If it's not Lyanna, then why would Eddard agree to take the child in and raise him. Robert wouldn't care about one bastard child. He had plenty of them.
35 posted on 06/01/2015 10:01:44 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Snickering Hound

You are assuming the man claiming to be Aegon in the books, actually is Aegon and not just a pretender.

I think it’s telling that all that you mentioned has thus far been left out of the tv series. In in fact the Aegon from the books a pretender... it might have been deemed not even important enough to include in the TV series.

Which would be there is a REAL Aegon out there, and it’s most likely Jon Snow.


36 posted on 06/01/2015 10:07:35 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, & R)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

I agree Robert as the father just doesn’t make much sense.


37 posted on 06/01/2015 10:08:38 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, & R)
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To: TexasFreeper2009; Snickering Hound

I’ve always thought the Aegon/Griff storyline was a scheme of Varys’, just in case his schemes to plant Vicerys/Dany on the Iron Throne didn’t pan out.

Dany’s vision refers to it as the “Mummer’s Dragon”. Varys being a mummer by trade, but also as an adjective - fake.

Or, perhaps it was intentional of Varys from the start. Pump up a pretender to invade Westeros when the whole place was broke from war and in leaderless chaos; which would cause more chaos; making it ripe for the true Queen to arrive and conquer.


38 posted on 06/01/2015 10:27:13 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("I'm not questioning your honor...I'm denying its existence." - Tyrion Lannister)
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To: KC_Lion

“Watching Cearsi Suffer is Oh SO satisfying! I don’t see a way out for her, confessing to incest and the Murder of King Robert? Stoned to death in the street by a mob! or Rot in the Cell and go mad.”

OR, her imprisonment and torture turns her into one of the religious fanatics.


39 posted on 06/01/2015 10:35:53 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Yes, we haven't seen Bran or Rickon lately. Bran is in training with the Three-Eyed Raven this season:

"Game of Thrones" showrunner explains why Bran is not in season 5

Rickon, the youngest of the Starks, was last seen with the wildling Osha. Osha was taking Rickon and his direwolf, Shaggydog, to the holdfast of Greatjon Umber, who is one of the remaining loyal bannermen to House Stark.

40 posted on 06/01/2015 10:38:49 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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