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Greenfield: Will Banning Muslim Migration Ruin the Anti-ISIS Coalition?
The Sultan Knish blog ^ | Tuesday, February 02, 2016 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 02/03/2016 4:57:08 AM PST by Louis Foxwell

Tuesday, February 02, 2016

Will Banning Muslim Migration Ruin the Anti-ISIS Coalition?

Posted by Daniel Greenfield

The most common attack on proposals to end Muslim migration to the United States is that this policy would somehow interfere with the coalition to fight ISIS.

Lindsey Graham asked, “How do you go to any of these countries and build a coalition when your policy is simply because you’re a Muslim you can’t come to America?” “This policy is a policy that makes it impossible to build the coalition necessary to take out ISIS," Jeb Bush objected.

The White House agreed, “We have an over-60-country coalition fighting with a substantial number of Muslim-majority fighters who are absolutely essential to succeeding in that effort.”

But there are two things wrong with this argument.

First, no Muslim country or faction is fighting ISIS because they like us. They’re not doing us any favors. They’re protecting themselves from the Islamic State.

The insistence of ISIS that it is the supreme authority over all Muslims has even led it into battles with Al Qaeda and the Taliban. No one fighting ISIS is doing it because of our immigration policy. Jeb Bush referenced the Kurds. The Kurds want their own homeland. Those who want to come to America don’t want to fight ISIS. Those who want to fight ISIS aren’t looking to move to Dearborn or Jersey City.

Second, Muslim countries in the anti-ISIS coalition have much harsher immigration policies for Christians than anything that Donald Trump or Ted Cruz have proposed for Muslims.

When Obama gave his speech, the first Muslim country he mentioned in the coalition was Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia bans all religions except Islam. No churches are allowed in Saudi Arabia. Christmas parties are targeted with police raids. Converting to Christianity is punishable by death. Non-Muslims are entirely banned from some Saudi cities and the legal system discriminates against them.

Saudi Arabia also engages in blatant racial discrimination and denies basic civil rights to women. And yet there are no problems with having Saudi Arabia in the anti-ISIS coalition. Certainly the Saudis don’t worry that we’ll drop out of the coalition because they ban Christianity.

Other Muslim anti-ISIS coalition members include Turkey, whose leader threatened to ethnically cleanse Armenians, Egypt, where discrimination against Christians has led to government persecution, the UAE and Qatar, where churches are not allowed to display crosses, and Somalia, which banned Christmas.

Saudi Arabia’s Islamic justice system is often indistinguishable from ISIS. Turkey and Qatar’s governments have ties to Al Qaeda. Both also have alleged ties to ISIS.

And they are the core of Obama’s Muslim anti-ISIS coalition members.

Why exactly does the United States have to worry about meeting their standards for accommodating Muslims, when they have no interest in meeting our standards for the treatment of Christians?

Muslim coalition countries routinely block citizenship for non-Muslims, some forbid marriages to non-Muslims, yet we’re expected to provide citizenship to hundreds of thousands of Muslims, many of whom support ISIS, Al Qaeda or the Muslim Brotherhood, just to maintain this coalition?

What use is an anti-ISIS coalition that not only forbids us to protect our own national security interests, but actually demands that we undermine them to accommodate some larger Islamic agenda?

But despite claims by Jeb Bush, Lindsey Graham and the White House, the anti-ISIS coalition has no interest in our immigration policy. Its Muslim components are divided into local militias and regional powers. The militias are fighting ISIS for the sake of their own interests and their own survival. All they want from us are guns and they don’t care about our immigration policy. The regional powers want us to overthrow Assad. Their own interests, not our immigration policy, are their priorities.

The majority of the Muslim anti-ISIS coalition hates us. Some members actually sponsor terrorism against us. We will not alienate them with a migration ban because they are not our friends.

The Muslim countries in the coalition against ISIS are absolutely unashamed of putting their own religious and national identities first. Yet Bush, Graham and the White House would have us believe that we will destroy any coalition with them against ISIS if we put ourselves first for once.

We need to stop worrying about offending Muslim countries that deny Christians and Jews basic human rights and start looking out for our interests, our own security and our own welfare.

Not only won’t this weaken the coalition against ISIS, it will make it stronger. Countries can be united by shared values or shared interests. No matter how much presidents from both parties may pretend, we have no values in common with Saudi Arabia. We are not united with it or the rest of the Muslim members of the coalition by shared religious or cultural values. We are occasionally united with them by shared interests. It’s time that we were honest about that with them and ourselves.

Jeb Bush’s pretense that we must have shared values to have shared interests is a common foreign policy fallacy. Instead of trying to build shared interests around shared values such as democracy or interfaith dialogue that we clearly do not share with them, we should just focus on our interests.

Saudi Arabia is a brutal totalitarian monarchy that hates everything that we care about from our religion to our way of life. Picture anything from a 4th of July barbecue to Christmas and the Saudis will have banned everything from the beer to the pork chops to the men and women sitting together.

But we both hate ISIS and that’s all that we really need for a coalition against it.

If we are ever going to have an adult relationship with the Muslim world, it will be based on our interests, not values. It will work because both sides know exactly what they are getting out of it.

The Muslim world wants to know what to expect from us. It hates Obama because of his unreliability. To them, his political ideology resembles some species of mysticism which they do not share. It much prefers an arrangement based on mutual interests over our misguided mystical attempts to discover shared values by pretending that Islam is just Christianity misspelled.

It’s not an immigration ban that poses a threat to the coalition, it’s the insistence that shared values come before shared interests. If we are to have shared values with a Muslim coalition, that requires us to prosecute blasphemy against Islam, provide a special status to Muslims and a lower status to non-Muslims. Such an approach is incompatible with our own values, yet we have begun doing just that. Locking up filmmakers and condemning cartoonists has given us more in common with Saudi Arabia and ISIS. And it would be unfortunate if we had to become an Islamic state to fight the Islamic State.

We can best fight ISIS by being a free nation. There is no use in defeating ISIS just to become ISIS. That will not prevent us from joining coalitions of shared interests with anyone else, but it will stop us from trying to find shared values with Islamic tyrannies of the axe, burka and sword. A ban on Muslim migration will allow us to fight ISIS abroad instead of fighting ISIS and becoming ISIS at home.


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1 posted on 02/03/2016 4:57:08 AM PST by Louis Foxwell
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2 posted on 02/03/2016 4:58:06 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Stop Islam and save the world.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

All of the objections about a temporary ban on visas issued to Muslims comes from the open borders crowd. These people don’t care or aren’t concerned about the safety and security of Americans. Lindsey Graham and many of the others are always wanting to send Americans to die in wars that have no benefit for the US.


3 posted on 02/03/2016 5:05:40 AM PST by euram
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To: Louis Foxwell

I read an interesting argument.

Islam is a military philosophy. An Islamic person is considered a soldier at war with all that is not Islam. If they leave the -faith- they become apostate. The penalty for apostacism is the same as it is for desertion under fire for soldiers; death.

There is nothing wrong with stopping enemy (by their definition) soldiers from entering your territory.


4 posted on 02/03/2016 5:07:44 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Louis Foxwell

https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2016/02/03/senate-homeland-security-committee-worries-about-canadas-syrian-refugee-flood/


5 posted on 02/03/2016 5:12:34 AM PST by biggredd1
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To: Louis Foxwell

Lindsey Graham asked, “How do you go to any of these countries and build a coalition when your policy is simply because you’re a Muslim you can’t come to America?”

Linseed Graham adds fuel to the fire and spreads hate against our country when he misstates the positions of prudent Americans who call for background checks on people who immigrate here from countries (and ideologies) with whom we are at war. Thanks to comments like Linseed’s, yet another American may be kidnapped and beheaded by an angry radical

He is a small blustering fool who is damaging US national security. WTH doesn’t SC get rid of him?


6 posted on 02/03/2016 5:15:06 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Louis Foxwell

I dont care if it does


7 posted on 02/03/2016 5:16:02 AM PST by Mr. K (Maybe people are poor BECAUSE they vote democrat.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
And we should care because the coalition to "fight ISIS" is doing so well?

All banning the migration would do is leave more targets for Russia to disintegrate, rather than ISIS spreading their cancer globally. Seems like a win-win.

But I know nothing.

8 posted on 02/03/2016 5:17:44 AM PST by grania
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To: Louis Foxwell
Banning Muslim immigration is national and cultural defense.

"Refugees" are the tip of the jihad spear. "Hijra" migration is the opening phase of jihad. Any Muslim who dies in Hijra is promised the same reward as if he died in violent jihad.

Link in image:

9 posted on 02/03/2016 5:43:33 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Gen.Blather
Exactly. And it's fatally naive to fall for a plan that is 1,400 years old.


10 posted on 02/03/2016 5:44:59 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Mr. K
Nor do I.

We should not apologize for defending ourselves from a virulent 1,400 year old conquest plan.


11 posted on 02/03/2016 5:46:51 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Lindsey, if your logic is correct, we should bring in all of our enemies to build coalitions...that’ll teach us!


12 posted on 02/03/2016 5:51:56 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Louis Foxwell
First and foremost we must get control if immigration by ENFORCING CURRENT LAW.
1. All employers must e-verify that prospective employees are here legally, Scofflaws are prosecuted and fined.
2. Track down and deport all those who have overstayed their visas.
3. Wash Social Security numbers against IRS files to find duplicate and fake users of SSNs. Track down, arrest, and deport those with phony ID. Go after employers if they knowingly employed these people.
3. Have a legal immigration moratorium on all countries until American immigration policy is up, running, and WORKING.
13 posted on 02/03/2016 5:56:14 AM PST by MasterGunner01 ( Barbara Da)
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To: MasterGunner01
Oh, yes. Deport all the Muslim “refugees” imported under Obama. Allow ONLY refugees if they are non-Muslims from the Middle East; ABSOLUTELY NO MUSLIMS.
14 posted on 02/03/2016 5:59:59 AM PST by MasterGunner01 ( Barbara Da)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Perhaps ISIS can be weakened by bringing most of their fighters into Europe and America????


15 posted on 02/03/2016 6:22:49 AM PST by arthurus (Het is waar. Tutti i liberali sono feccia.)
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To: Gen.Blather

Fortunately for the rest of the world, a lot of Moslems are pretty crumby practictioners of Islam...


16 posted on 02/03/2016 7:37:25 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Excellent article. His line about the mystical pretense that Islam is Christianity mispelled, is point on!
I have to include the Pope on that one.


17 posted on 02/03/2016 7:47:19 AM PST by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: Louis Foxwell
While I agree with the basic thesis of the piece, I think Greenfield has grossly oversimplified the situation. In my personal opinion, this "coalition" is not actually worth very much. Principal players such as Russia and Great Britain may be addressed with bilateral arrangements - the reason 0bama is so dedicated to the maintenance of the coalition is that it fosters the illusion that we're actually doing something.

But players such as Saudi Arabia are in a rather different position. Everything Greenfield says about the social strictures of that theocracy is true; however, the war against ISIS is only one issue among many, and the value we derive from the internal struggles in that country, i.e. the royal family against the Wahhabi mullahs, yields intelligence assets and strategic considerations such as control over the price of oil that prove advantageous in pursuing such a war.

The maintenance of a coalition has bitten us before. It was that factor that led Bush The First to call off the drive into Iraq during the first Gulf War when the lurid (and very misleading) pictures of the "Highway Of Death" made it clear that such a struggle was likely to be bloody - it was - and offensive to the Arabic players in that coalition - it wasn't, necessarily. A decade later we finished that job with another coalition.

This does not mean that collective security has no application in this arena. What it does mean is that a highly unconventional war, which it is (ISIS actually has to hold territory instead of mere terrorism) calls for unconventional methods. Grand coalitions are inherently difficult to manage and go up in difficulty geometrically as a function of size. Let's limit this one to the serious players. All IMHO, of course.

18 posted on 02/03/2016 8:32:16 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Louis Foxwell
When Obama gave his speech, the first Muslim country he mentioned in the coalition was Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia bans all religions except Islam. No churches are allowed in Saudi Arabia. Christmas parties are targeted with police raids. Converting to Christianity is punishable by death. Non-Muslims are entirely banned from some Saudi cities and the legal system discriminates against them.

Democrats and lowlife liars like Lindsey Graham and his soul mate John McCain just make it up. Muslims in countries like Saudi Arabia need us more than w need them.. they would NOT leave the coalition if we showed some backbone.

19 posted on 02/03/2016 10:16:35 AM PST by GOPJ (The FBI needs to investigate WHY ballot counts took so long. My guess is Sanders won...)
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