Posted on 04/14/2016 9:36:26 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
‘When they lower me down in that sweet Southern ground,
Have someone play Dixie for me.’
You cannot judge 19th century Americans using 21st century standards on race relations. Lincoln was a racist of the nth degree. The war was about states rights Lincoln even said so.
If I’d known then what I know now, I would’ve.
I guess you're willing to overlook the occupation of the island in Charleston Harbor.
You must also be willing to overlook the invasion of Mississippi and other States of the Confederacy.
The history isn't pretty.
ML/NJ ("Honest Yankee')
Too funny! You say that and then in the next sentence you do it yourself! Sure - by today's standards Lincoln was a "racist of the nth degree" - but no more so than any southerner of the time.
Why would we overlook it? The fort and the ground it stood upon belonged to the federal government.
Do you think we had the attitude that the British forts and/or any land within the States belonged to England on or after July 4, 1776?
And again I ask you, under what pretext did Lincoln invade Mississippi?
ML/NJ
One of the biggest slave holders in South Carolina was a former slave. His sons fought for the Confederacy.
Inscription on the Confederate Memorial at Arlington. The Confederate Memorial is a majestic memorial, the largest at the cemetery, but it’s all but ignored. Though the Confederate Memorial is on the map at Arlington, it attracts few visitors. It is the largest, most elaborate monument in the cemetery, yet the Arlington trolley tour makes a hard right near the monument without even slowing down to give tourists a glance.
Not for fame or reward
Not for place or rank
Not lured by ambition
Or goaded by necessity
But in simple obedience to duty
as they understood it
These men suffered all,
sacrificed all, dared all and died.
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/Explore/Monuments-and-Memorials/Confederate-Memorial
Yes we did. There were a few fortifications that the British maintained control of for several years after the Revolutionary War. I suspect that this was largely due to the fledgling American nation recognizing the limits of their power - something that was tested again a few years later in 1812.
And again I ask you, under what pretext did Lincoln invade Mississippi?
I'm not sure where you're going with this...my recollection is that the first skirmish in Mississippi was when the rebs seized the fortifications at Ship Island, and the first engagement in Mississippi was when the union took it back.
Hmm. There's a certain amount of irony in this.
There’s plenty of documentation of what Lincoln thought of blacks. He wasn’t even going to let the free blacks stay here. He developed The Chiriqui Resettlement Plan.
If you’re black these days that’s certainly NOT something you want to find in your family tree.
Crickets.
Is it now?
Who was that?
That is an inaccurate statement. If you look closer you'll see that the root provision of the colonialism experiment was that participation was voluntary.
I don’t think anybody is advocating the return of slavery. But the heritage of the South needs to be preserved. Tearing down all the statues and monuments is destroying that heritage which we have every right to embrace.
I have mostly forgiven the Congress.
"Ceterum censeo 0bama esse delendam."
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
I got to meet the authors, Fogel & Engerman, in 1977. They were friends with one of my Economics professors, Robert Gallman. They used his statistical studies extensively.
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Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
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