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Trump: Do You Know Who Started The Birther Movement? Hillary; "Brought It Up Years Before Me"
Real Clear Politics ^ | May 5, 2016 | Tim Hains

Posted on 05/05/2016 6:43:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

In a Wednesday interview with Wolf Blitzer's Situation Room, Presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump responded to accusations that his pursuit of President Obama's birth certificate was motivated by race. “Do you know who started the birther movement? Do you know who started it? Do you know who questioned his birth certificate, one of the first? Hillary Clinton. She’s the one that started it. She brought it up years before it was brought up by me," Trump said....

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: certifigate; clinton; hillary; obama; trump
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To: Objective Scrutator
"The simple fact that Soetoro is a Socialist makes him constitutionally ineligible to hold elected office in America. "

Why is that? Serious question...

21 posted on 05/05/2016 7:50:42 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: jwalsh07

They are NOT eligible! NOT NBC’s.


22 posted on 05/05/2016 7:53:02 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Just mythoughts

MOST of us know it better!


23 posted on 05/05/2016 7:55:38 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Mollypitcher1

You can go away as well. I’ve had my fill of tin foil thank you.


24 posted on 05/05/2016 7:59:05 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

Sorry Bud. I’m not going away and certainly not at the bidding of an uninformed believer of idiocies. I KNOW the Constitution. Sorry you don’t.


25 posted on 05/05/2016 8:04:03 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Kenya Parliament (National Assembly) Official Report

“If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America? It is because they did away with exclusion. What has killed us here is exclusion; that once Mr. Orengo is President, I know of no other place than Ugenya. That is why we were fighting against these many Presidencies in the past. I hope that Kenya will come of age. This country must come of age. People want freedom and nations want liberation, but countries want independence.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2491078/posts?page=295


26 posted on 05/05/2016 8:05:18 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: Lurkinanloomin; jwalsh07

I don’t think there’s been a single court opinion that agrees with you, Lurkinanloomin.
Your position would mean that all men and women born to U.S. service men and women serving overseas would become, in effect, 2nd class citizens and I don’t think any court would ever make that ruling. I would’ve thought only a flamin’ liberal would support such a position.


27 posted on 05/05/2016 8:12:44 PM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Right you are. Don’t be inimidated by those who have their own agenda reason for pretending that Obama’s election and re-election were consistent with the Constitution. They were not. And we all know that, even those who use Alinskyjte tactics to silence people who, like you, tell the truth.


28 posted on 05/05/2016 8:45:13 PM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: MV=PY
The Tenth Amendment states that powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution are reserved to the states or the people. This is incompatible with the philosophy of socialism, which states that power must be centralized within a single (federal) government as much as possible. Ergo, holding such a philosophy makes one ineligible for federal office. Granted, this argument is not sufficient to disqualify Socialists from state or local governments, because the only things the states are not allowed to do are violate the other amendments (this is why local and statewide gun control bills are unconstitutional, but a Vermont bill to have a statewide socialist healthcare system would not be explicitly forbidden by the Constitution).

Socialists also generally believe that international law supercedes the Constitution, a belief which is explicitly forbidden by the Constitution. This argument, admittedly, would not work on the National Socialists, but Democrats are International Socialists.
29 posted on 05/05/2016 10:42:40 PM PDT by Objective Scrutator (All liberals are criminals, and all criminals are liberals)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cruz told Perky Katie Couric the same thing when she interviewed him. She was dumb (founded) by the allegation.


30 posted on 05/05/2016 10:44:49 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Hillary Clinton has killed four more People than Three Mile Island.)
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To: jwalsh07; poinq; bgill

Book blurb; the info came from 0:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3427973/posts?page=18#18

Kenyan Parliament:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3427973/posts?page=26#26

0’s mom wasn’t old enough to convey us citizenship to him.

Also check minor vs happersett case. The judges talk about natural born citizenship


31 posted on 05/06/2016 3:01:28 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: jwalsh07

Note the reference to Natural Law in the first sentence of our Declaration of Independence.

It is crystal clear that the Founding Fathers used the Natural Law definition of 'natural born Citizen' when they wrote Article II. By invoking "The Laws of Nature and Nature's God" the 56 signers of the Declaration incorporated a legal standard of freedom into the forms of government that would follow.

President John Quincy Adams, writing in 1839, looked back at the founding period and recognized the true meaning of the Declaration's reliance on the "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." He observed that the American people's "charter was the Declaration of Independence. Their rights, the natural rights of mankind. Their government, such as should be instituted by the people, under the solemn mutual pledges of perpetual union, founded on the self-evident truth's proclaimed in the Declaration."

The Constitution, Vattel, and “Natural Born Citizen”: What Our Framers Knew

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

MINOR V. HAPPERSETT IS BINDING PRECEDENT AS TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Neither the 14th Amendment nor Wong Kim Ark make one a Natural Born Citizen

The Harvard Law Review Article Taken Apart Piece by Piece and Utterly Destroyed

Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution - The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same

"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.

A Dissertation on Manner of Acquiring Character & Privileges of Citizen of U.S.-by David Ramsay-1789

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

Publications of the Colonial Society of Massachusetts, Volume 20 - Use of The Law of Nations by the Constitutional Convention

The Biggest Cover-up in American History

Supreme Court cases that cite “natural born Citizen” as one born on U.S. soil to citizen parents:

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says: “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)

Ann Scott was born in South Carolina before the American revolution, and her father adhered to the American cause and remained and was at his death a citizen of South Carolina. There is no dispute that his daughter Ann, at the time of the Revolution and afterwards, remained in South Carolina until December, 1782. Whether she was of age during this time does not appear. If she was, then her birth and residence might be deemed to constitute her by election a citizen of South Carolina. If she was not of age, then she might well be deemed under the circumstances of this case to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country. Her citizenship, then, being prima facie established, and indeed this is admitted in the pleadings, has it ever been lost, or was it lost before the death of her father, so that the estate in question was, upon the descent cast, incapable of vesting in her? Upon the facts stated, it appears to us that it was not lost and that she was capable of taking it at the time of the descent cast.

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857)

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As society cannot perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their parents, and succeed to all their rights.' Again: 'I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen; for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. . . .

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939),

Was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that a child born in the United States to naturalized parents on U.S. soil is a natural born citizen and that the child's natural born citizenship is not lost if the child is taken to and raised in the country of the parents' origin, provided that upon attaining the age of majority, the child elects to retain U.S. citizenship "and to return to the United States to assume its duties." Not only did the court rule that she did not lose her native born Citizenship but it upheld the lower courts decision that she is a "natural born Citizen of the United States" because she was born in the USA to two naturalized U.S. Citizens.

But the Secretary of State, according to the allegation of the bill of complaint, had refused to issue a passport to Miss Elg 'solely on the ground that she had lost her native born American citizenship.' The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants [307 U.S. 325, 350] (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227 , 57 S.Ct. 461, 108 A.L.R. 1000), declared Miss Elg 'to be a natural born citizen of the United States' (99 F.2d 414) and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants. The decree in that sense would in no way interfere with the exercise of the Secretary's discretion with respect to the issue of a passport but would simply preclude the denial of a passport on the sole ground that Miss Elg had lost her American citizenship."

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution - The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same

"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.

A Dissertation on Manner of Acquiring Character & Privileges of Citizen of U.S.-by David Ramsay-1789

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

Publications of the Colonial Society of Massachusetts, Volume 20 - Use of The Law of Nations by the Constitutional Convention

The Biggest Cover-up in American History

If there is extensive law written that covers election fraud, but it is impossible to enforce, or if a sufficient number of people agree that So-and-So is the President or Pope despite the law, how does that not utterly, completely destroy the entire notion of the Rule of Law itself? As I have said for years with regards to Obama, if you can’t enforce Article II Section 1 Clause 5 of the Constitution, what can you enforce? Can you enforce the border? Can you enforce citizenship? Equal protection? Search and seizure? Right to bear arms? Can you enforce the law against treason? Theft? Murder? Trafficking in body parts? Religious persecution?

Mark Levin Attacks Birthers: Admits He Hasn't Studied Issue; Declares Canadian-Born Cruz Eligible

Not much information exists on why the Third Congress (under the lead of James Madison and the approval of George Washington) deleted "natural born" from the Naturalization Act of 1790 when it passed the Naturalization Act of 1795. There is virtually no information on the subject because they probably realized that the First Congress committed errors when it passed the Naturalization Act of 1790 and did not want to create a record of the errors.

It can be reasonably argued that Congress realized that under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, Congress is given the power to make uniform laws on naturalization and that this power did not include the power to decide who is included or excluded from being a presidential Article II "natural born Citizen." While Congress has passed throughout United States history many statutes declaring who shall be considered nationals and citizens of the United States at birth and thereby exempting such persons from having to be naturalized under naturalization laws, at no time except by way of the short-lived "natural born" phrase in Naturalization Act of 1790 did it ever declare these persons to be "natural born Citizens."

The uniform definition of "natural born Citizen" was already provided by the law of nations and was already settled. The Framers therefore saw no need nor did they give Congress the power to tinker with that definition. Believing that Congress was highly vulnerable to foreign influence and intrigue, the Framers, who wanted to keep such influence out of the presidency, did not trust Congress when it came to who would be President, and would not have given Congress the power to decide who shall be President by allowing it to define what an Article II "natural born Citizen " is.

Additionally, the 1790 act was a naturalization act. How could a naturalization act make anyone an Article II "natural born Citizen?" After all, a "natural born Citizen" was made by nature at the time of birth and could not be so made by any law of man.

Natural Born Citizen Through the Eyes of Early Congresses

Harvard Law Review Article FAILS to Establish Ted Cruz as Natural Born Citizen

Watch: Mark Levin declares Ted Cruz a "Naturalized Citizen"

Mark Levin Attacks Birthers: Admits He Hasn't Studied Issue; Declares Canadian-Born Cruz Eligible

The settled law of the land is that the US President must be a natural born citizen, and that to be a natural born citizen, you must have been born in the United States to parents both of whom were US citizens when you were born.

You may disagree with the goal of the Constitutional Convention, and/or with the means they chose to achieve it. But it's not a technicality, not an anachronism no longer relevant in modern times, nor is it racist. Especially in modern times, it enables persons of any race or ethnic heritage to become President. And it's what the Constitution requires.

You may also disagree with binding precedent regarding the meaning of "natural born citizen" as established in Minor. But in our system, the Constitution, and the Supreme Court's interpretation of it, are the "supreme law of the land." And if one faction gets to disregard the Constitution and/or the Supreme Court because they disagree, then that sets a precedent where all other factions can do the same.

Any Argument Against the Natural Law Definition of "Natural Born Citizen" Can easily be Defeated Here

32 posted on 05/06/2016 3:04:45 AM PDT by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: jwalsh07

You are a traitor to our Constitution. YOU are the one who needs to “go away”.


33 posted on 05/06/2016 3:07:14 AM PDT by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: libertylover

US Supreme Court , Minor vs Happersett 1875


34 posted on 05/06/2016 4:07:00 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Objective Scrutator

Thank you for your explanation! I was genuinely curious. I see the logic but do not see how the Constitution supports it.

I struggle to see how someone can be disqualified because they preach or believe in Socialism. The Constitution only addresses presidential qualifications in one place (e.g. natural born citizen).

I choose not to project meaning on the Constitution’s actual words; There’s enough of that going on already and it often gets us in trouble.

It seems to me that anyone can say most anything while running for president and not be disqualified for it (much less being disqualified for what they believe). That’s the freedom of speech part.

Let’s just hope the citizens are listening, thinking, and acting on what they hear.


35 posted on 05/06/2016 5:36:10 AM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: Piranha

Not to worry, never going to happen.
Some of us still know what natural born citizen means and why the founders included that particular protection.
I am astounded at the “conservatives” who want to throw it away.


36 posted on 05/06/2016 5:52:32 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Godebert

GFY Sir Godebert.


37 posted on 05/06/2016 9:48:01 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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