What Did Trump Really Say About Cruz' Wife and Father?

[chaosagent]

What Did Trump Really Say About Cruz' Wife and Father?

[chaosagent]

Cruz cannot coordinate with a (Romney-led) PAC and ask that they take something down. What he did was:

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Once again, as I’ve said several times, I know it was a SuperPac and not under his control. But he could most certainly say this was despicable bringing wive’s into the campaign, and ask that that whoever posted it, take it down.

Just asking for someone to take an ad down is not ‘coordination’.

Cruz could have ask them to take it down. Trump could have ask. You could ask them, or I could have ask them.

Asking someone to do something does not indicate a measure of control.

I’d be willing to bet that if Cruz had done this immediately, Trump would not have responded as he did.

[Pollster1]

Just asking for someone to take an ad down is not ‘coordination’.

Actually, asking that it be taken down can be treated as coordination (control is not required), and it has been used in the past as evidence of illegal activity. Cruz could not legally do that, nor could he afford to (1) go off message to deal with an outside ad, or (2) go off message to deal with charges of illegal coordination with a PAC.

[CommerceComet]

Did cruz ever offer info on Dad’s whereabouts when that photo was taken? No he didn’t

Really? That was seven years before Ted Cruz was born. Seems that Ted's dad is the one to ask since he is still alive. I couldn't even tell you with certainty what city my father was living in seven years before I was born.

[chaosagent]

Actually, asking that it be taken down can be treated as coordination (control is not required), and it has been used in the past as evidence of illegal activity. Cruz could not legally do that, nor could he afford to (1) go off message to deal with an outside ad, or (2) go off message to deal with charges of illegal coordination with a PAC

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Funny, but Newt certainly thought a candidate could do that 4 years ago. I can find nothing that the FEC admonished him/fined him for this.

Nor can I find that the law has changed.

So right now, I’ll take Newt’s view on this.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gingrich-to-super-pac-fix-negative-ad-or-take-it-down/

So Cruz should have asked that the ad be removed.

[CommerceComet]

You can threatened to spill the beans about my wife all day long, and I won’t care, and my wife won’t care. Or maybe there are actually some beans to spill?

Even if the accusation was slanderous, you'd be foolish not to take the threat seriously. Those who have been slandered know how difficult it can be to refute the charges even if totally groundless. As the old saying goes: "A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put its shoes on."

[chaosagent]

Even if the accusation was slanderous, you’d be foolish not to take the threat seriously. Those who have been slandered know how difficult it can be to refute the charges even if totally groundless. As the old saying goes: “A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put its shoes on.”

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Maybe. But how is it an ‘insult’? An ‘insult’ enough that Cruz said today that that was why he didn’t endorse Trump.

[LucyT]

Rafael was involved with the events that led to JFK’s assassination. He and the entire cadre of involved Cubans evaded interrogation from Jim Garrison and the Warren Commission by simply fleeing the USA. There were strong reasons for Rafael not attempting to gain US citizenship for his 45 years post Cuba.

Ted’s appointment in the WH by GWB brush-stroked the way for Rafael’s citizenship (2005). Ted was entrenched in the Bush administration and GHWB has had unlimited access to agency files for a long time prior to 2005. Poppy cleared the path for Rafael’s papers to proceed without question. Cruz has been done many favors by the Bushes, way too many. They own him as family property - Both Cruz’s are indebted to ‘41 & ‘43.

Remember, all it took was Trump mentioning the the NE article on Oswald/ Cruz and Ted drops out of the race. Ted- with over 10 million campaign cash in hand vowing to go all the way to Cleveland by stealing delegates for his first ballot win! His staff was shocked! His losing results were not the reason for his exit.

The N.E. still-shots from the film of Rafael ‘leafletting for CPCC’ with Oswald in N.O. surfaced back when Ted ran for the Texas senatorial seat 2013. Wonder who put those out there? Had to be someone in the know with old, very old CIA ties. The film was floated in the public domain, long before Trump or the N.E. knew it ever existed for its relevance - that Cruz had POTUS ambition. But someone knew.

Rafael’s past history- as self told, is a complete fabrication in regards to timeline, name, age, family, whereabouts, and activities. Plus, he is also an opportunistic bigamist. His story tale has been discredited by numerous authentic Cuban refugees of his era. - For instance, there was never any train service from Key West to Austin, TX.

And, FWIW, a repost from an earlier thread on why the Cruz men have not sued the National Enquirer.

>>>It’s noteworthy that shortly after the Nat. Enq. article on his dad, with the pic of him next to Oswald, came out, Cruz suspended his campaign.<<<<

Cruz had no other choice. The photographs and film are real. He was there and acting as an operative for FPCC. Rafael was more than a ‘Cuban-exile student in Texas.’ He has a much more intriguing past. His age is disputed, his name is admittedly changed, he came to the US under different circumstances than he admits (not alone), he was not admitted to UT to grab a 4-yr degree with no money and no English. He had family in America -both Miami & New Orleans.

>>>He’s never sued the Enquirer for that (JFK- LHO association) or for the 8 mistresses story.<<<

Ted can’t sue on the mistress X 8 because 2/8 are very real and there is damning circumstantial evidence as well as the potential for revealing participant testimony. Likewise, Rafael can’t sue the NE about their Oswald/JFK insinuations because their evidence is true, and there’s more to come if he presses the issue.

>>>It is curious that Cruz the elder went to Canada and stayed there, after 11/22/1963. No one has asked why.<<<

Right, there’s no shortage of oil in Texas!!! And he had a wife and two little girls in Texas - - (not w Ted’s mom.)

Can’t recall where Rafael originally fled— France? He certainly had Canadian resources since he was photographed there with another protest group earlier in Montreal. The witness-’party of interest list’ included Cruz and several other Cuban exiles (N.O., TX & Miami). One went to France, another to Spain, 1 -2 to Cuba, and 3 to S. America. Not sure who lived long or ever returned to the US over time.

And lest we forget. While in Canada, the Cruz’s became Canadians. So why did Felito have the audacity to run for POTUS?

THEY BOTH ARE ON RECORD AS SWEARING TO CANADIAN CITIZENSHIP and thus they voted as Canadian citizens.

Ted’s mother apparently let her Canadian status ‘just slide’ into oblivion when she returned to Texas. (It would be interesting to see how they filed their taxes, social security, etc.) Ted’s father, Rafael, kept his Canadian status for 35 years until Ted was working with the WH for GWB in 2005. Ted’s insider status through GWB & GHWB allowed him to straighten up Rafael’s immigration / legal status and clear the record for US citizenship.

Cruz-—A man born and raised in a foreign country to a foreign citizen (Cuban/Commie/Canadian) father and ex-patriated American mother is not a natural born citizen no matter how they try to twist it. He fails to legally qualify in addition to being a moral ethical failure on numerous accounts.

77 posted on ‎7‎/‎21‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎38‎:‎49‎ ‎PM by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

Bad blood all around.

[Salamander]

Or her highway-sitting episode.

It have would be something pretty bad, to drive me into publicly sitting along the interstate, sobbing.

[LucyT]

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Rafael Cruz possibly identified in Italy in 1938, from idfspokesperson.com

[pieceofthepuzzle]

“Is it the education system? Or just hero worship? What’s going on around here?”

Amusing. I think it’s clear to most that the ‘hero worship’ we’ve evidenced most has come from those who have refused to coalesce around the party nominee and instead continue to back the guy who lost, and who has put himself ahead of his country. Our children’s future is what matters. Not Cruz’s ego or career. He has had conversations with Trump, and many opportunities to speak man to man about his grievances. If he did, and Trump didn’t respond, then he shouldn’t have accepted the invitation to speak at the convention. It appears, however, that Trump offered an olive branch that Cruz accepted with deceitful intent. That shows poor character, and when the inability to forgive and move forward with good intent is not Christian behavior.

[bgill]

Thanks for laying it all out so everyone understands.

[chaosagent]

I assume you forgot the /s tag since Rafael Cruz wasn’t born until 1939.

[LucyT]

No, I forgot nothing and couldn’t care less when he was born, although now I know, and appreciate your informing me. The entire post is copied from the link.

[SatinDoll]

I love it!

[CommerceComet]

But how is it an ‘insult’?

Perhaps, Cruz considers the entire situation from the posting of an unflattering picture of his wife to the threat of exposure of something as insulting.

However, that wasn't my point. It cannot be inferred from someone's concern about being threatened with exposure that he or she has something to hide. No one would want to see their name dragged through the mud with slander, even if the slanderous statements can be proven to be slander. Such concern is a perfectly rational response from even someone who has nothing to hide.

[Brown Deer]

Cruz lived in New Orleans and went to school in Houston. Oswald was from New Orleans.

http://conservativeamerica-online.com/cruzs-father-rafael-was-previous-married-before-meeting-cruzs-mother-2-of-5/

I once had a printed record of Cruz in New Orleans, but it seems to have disappeared.

[Mr Apple]

Amazing info! Thank you LucyT.

[Chgogal]

What Cruz did to Carson in Iowa. The pamphlet Cruz sent to voters in Iowa. Cruz supporting the Ayer’s/Bernie rioters in Chicago.

NOW THAT IS AN ASSHOLE.

[Beautiful_Gracious_Skies]

” I couldn’t even tell you with certainty what city my father was living in seven years before I was born.”

REALLY? That bad? Your family is devoid of long term memories?

Let’s get real and quit sympathizing with the devil.

I could tell you that my father and uncles and no person in my clan was hanging out in the streets with Communist agitators passing out fliers in support of a Communist dictator.

I could also tell you that my dad was NOT taken to the New Orleans police station for questioning and arrest with Lee Harvey Oswald two months prior to JFK’s assassination.

I could also tell you that my father did not fabricate stories regarding how he came to America and where he settled and whom he lived with during that time.