Posted on 09/08/2016 6:24:53 AM PDT by w1n1
In the sport of Western Mounted Shooting, where shooting takes place on a horse while moving takes great skills – not just in riding and maintaining a stable base. But in shooting itself, you have to master the point-aim method, because there's no time to take aim and get your sight alignment as you would do while stationary. This type of shooting is so dominant it's maybe one of the most realistic ways to train for that fast instinctive shooting while in a real gunfight. Many people practice shooting with sight alighment, but how many of you do the old point-aim shooting? I'll let you decide from that last statement, meanwhile take a look at this video to see instinctive shooting in action.
My carry weapon is a Para-Ordanance P-12 .45
Although I practice point-shoot with it because of the shorter barrel I’m not effective over 15 feet....
Now when I use my Ruger Police Service Six .357 revolver, I’m highly accurate out to 30 feet.....
Unfortunately, it’s not highly concealable...
What’s the barrel length of That Ruger?
Recently got a Match Champion that has restored my confidence.
It is difficult to learn, especially when you aren’t blessed with the natural pointing accuracy that happens to coincide with the pointing alignment of the barrel. Damned difficult to align the two, particularly on the fly.
I use point-shoot with my revolver. In W.TX, it is the best option with snakes and when considering “jack-a-lope” stew.
Otherwise, I use my Sweet-16 for quail and doves.
I think the NYPD uses point aim shooting technique, they sure aren’t using their sights.
You know they use black powder blanks in this competition? “Mounted shooting uses black powder theatrical blanks with no bullet.[13] Companies such as Western Stage Props, Buffalo Blanks, Circle E Blanks, Lonesome Pine, and Whitehouse Blanks, manufacture certified ammunition for competition. These blanks were originally used in movie production and on the theatrical stage so that flame and smoke can be seen from the muzzle of the firearm. This burning powder will break a balloon target out to approximately twenty feet.[4]”
Sounds like you could use some serious instructor time. Both of those handguns are very capable of fine accuracy well past the distances you mentioned.
I remember reading of an old western lawman who used point and aim with a Peacemaker. And he was good!
Then he went modern and bought a 1903 Colt auto pistol. When accosted by a troublemaker he drew his pistol and found point and aim made his shots go into the legs of his attacker, not the body.
He said the only thing good about the altercation is the troublemaker had to have his legs removed.
Exactly, you don’t have to be spot on. I’ve dropped in on the monthly mounted match at Founder’s Ranch a few times.
I taught this in the army. It’s not as difficult if you get them used to pointing with a finger and use middle finger for a bit. After they start getting hang of it, move back to the trigger finger.
It’s a natural instinct that has to be trained if you want to be fast. It has to be natural and done without really thinking. Difficult to teach.
The point shooting used brings the pistol in between the eyes and the target, so there is an subconscious use of the sights, in that the eyes know where the gun is pointing.
pure instinct shooting is the way I learned to hunt quail.
First have to overcome the startle associated with the sound of flushing the quail. Then look at target, instinctly pull the gun to shoulder and fire. No tracking with the barrel. Snap shooting. Only way, because everything happens so quickly.
In the context of quick draw point and shoot.....no sights or aiming other than instinctive...that’s more than acceptable for grouping on 8” pie plate size targets...
My accuracy is more than adequate using sights with either weapon even with quick draw but with sights......
Thanks for your concern :^)
Friend sent this to me several years ago:
Kendra Lenseigna 2009 World Champion Cowboy Mounted Shooting Association “History Maker”
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmvDAjpCEAAUrn_.jpg
appropriate for this discussion
Just curious, did you see any difference in training time between city folk and country folk?
Didn’t notice that as much as I noticed difference between people from the east coast vs west. The western provinces tended to produce more of the high drive, highly motivated type of soldier. The east coast (maritime provinces), tended to produce people who were there to do as little as possible, but get paid as high as they could.
From the book “No Second Place Winner” by Bill Jordan:
“...BILL JORDAN is the fastest man on the draw that I have ever seen in action. He has been practicing the quick draw for thirty years that I know of. You can get pretty sharp at slapping leather after three decades of practice. Bill can hold a ping pong ball on top of his hand, bare inches above the holstered gun, suddenly drop the ball, go for his shooting iron and blast the ball as it falls past the holster. You’ve got to be fast to do that.
What maybe makes more of an impression on me than his lightning draw is his point shooting accuracy. As a regular feature of a shooting exhibition he draws, shoots from the hip double action, and hits aspirin pills neatly lined up on a table some ten feet in front of him. And, if this was not enough, he winds up the amazing exhibition by splitting a playing card edgeways! Most fellows could not hit these tiny targets if they took deliberate aim and squeezed the trigger! Jordan says he can “feel” the gun point at these peewee targets. It appears to the slightly goggle-eyed onlooker that his .357 must have built-in radar!...”
Full book: https://archive.org/details/No_Second_Place_Winner_Bill_Jordan
A 3x4 200 lb. buck was crossing left to right at about 12 MPH at 25 yards.
There’s no aiming going on.
I let my pheasant hunting instincts take over, panned with the scope and barrel, and led the chest cavity by “about” 12 inches.
Drilled it in the heart.
I’ll take instinct and luck, sometimes.
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