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Why would the Russians feed dirt on Trump to Steele and Hillary if they wanted Trump to win?
Flopping Aces ^ | 03-14-18 | DrJohn

Posted on 03/15/2018 10:57:55 AM PDT by Starman417

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This trailblazing journalist has developed a cutting edge theory that the Russian/Trump collusion narrative may have been part of a misinformation campaign by his political opponents!

Pulitzer?


21 posted on 03/15/2018 1:28:44 PM PDT by enumerated
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Here is what I think. (I know this is long, but this is complicated...I have tried to follow it closely)

I don’t think The Russians (in caps!) were trying to help Trump win, not at all...that is the LEAST likely scenario, and far fetched. The only thing I think The Russians would do is dangle some negative bait about Hillary in front of Trump people, see if someone on the Trump team bit on it (Which nobody on the Trump side did even IF they dangled something)...that is far fetched. The Russians probably didn’t think Trump would win anyway. All it would get them is some power, something to hold over their heads if they got in. So I think this is least likely.

What is NOT far fetched is one of these two scenarios:

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SCENARIO 1:
LEAST LIKELY OF THE TWO: Russians dangled bait (dossier stuff, hooker/pee/matress, etc) in front of people they knew were looking for material (FUSION GPS, DNC, HILLARY) and they bit on it. What do the Russians get out of doing this? Something to hold over the winner’s head, to be used for future favors. Blackmail.

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SCENARIO 2.
MOST LIKELY (And what it appears ACTUALLY happened):
STAGE 1.) Obama White House/Hillary Campaign/DNC/FBI/CIA want to surveil the Trump Campaign. They need a reason to do it. Now, Obama administration officials have been combing through the NSA database in 2016, to the point

The easiest path to Surveil a US citizen is through the FISA process simply because the whole process is so secretive, compartmented, and not open to easy scrutiny. (The CIA is in on this because Brennan has made his disdain for Trump quite clear, so they can be counted on to be helpful.)

Three important things to keep in mind:
***ITEM 1: FISA is retroactive. If they get it approved, they can go back in time. Fishing.

***ITEM 2: Since there are two “hops” available, they can get ANYONE in the Trump campaign, probably even a secretary on the hook, and using two “hops” (people communicated with) they can cover the communications and activities of the ENTIRE Trump campaign and everyone in it. THIS IS WHERE CARTER PAGE CAME IN.

***ITEM 3: Because this is a foreign entity outside the US, the FBI will know nothing about it until it is “credibly” taken to them for action. The CIA gathers intelligence. It cannot prosecute anything. So...to ‘credibly’ bring accusations of Trump Collusion with Russia which will be readily accepted for both private and public reasons, Fusion GPS selects: Christopher Steele who had previously worked with the FBI and will provide a “credible source” that they can fall back on.

STAGE 2.) The Clinton campaign instructs their law firm, Perkins Coie (also used by the DNC AND by the Obama Campaign and the Organizing for America outfit) to hire Fusion GPS (which they hope will provide a further layer of obfuscation and concealment instead of them hiring Fusion GPS directly)

STAGE 3.) Fusion GPS will find the negative information on Trump with loads of help from Clinton Cronies, the timelines are CHOCK-FULL of them popping up here and there. Then, once they have found the information with Christopher Steele as the conduit (who is conveniently on the payroll of Fusion GPS) they have a ‘credible’ source to the FBI because HE HAS WORKED WITH THEM BEFORE IN THE PAST! So, when they go in front of a FISA judge, to get surveillance on Carter Page (who is someone who had Russian connections...an ‘easy’ in) and they ask how credible the source is because of the fake dossier, they can say “We trust our source, Christopher Steele because he has worked directly with the FBI in the past, and has Russian connections.” Without knowing the Russian connections, the judge will approve. It takes them three tries, but they eventually get the FISA warrant signed for the first time in Mid-Late October 2016. IT WOULD GET RENEWED THREE TIMES, with the last renewal taking place in June of 2017. This give them their legal “in” for spying they had already done...and more.

STAGE 4:) They have already been surveilling the Trump campaign (in 2013, there were 10,000 accesses to the NSA surveillance database. In 2016, there were 30,000! I think Michael Rogers may have been the one to bring this to light, and they skewered him for it) they begin looking for a way to get it into the FBI’s hands openly for a full and public investigation (before the election, and before the FBI got the FISA survelliance approved). Brennan went to Capital Hill in late August 2016 to meet with Harry Reid, with the Steele Dossier, and voila! Two days later, Harry Reid contacted the FBI to insist they begin an investigation into collusion with the Russians by the Trump team (all based on using Carter Page as the crowbar).

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During all this time these events are going on above, we get Russians and Australians (ALL of whom have ties with the Clintons) approaching people on the Trump team (Carter Page, Popadopoulos, Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, etc) they were clearly trying to get someone in a situation where they could be accused of conspiring, but...none of them bit.

The Justice Department was in on this (See Bruce Ohr (Justice Dept) and his wife (worked for Fusion GPS) as was Brennan (CIA) and the FBI (Strozk, his girfriend Lisa Page, Comey, et al) and the Obama Administration, I have no doubt.

This is the biggest scandal in American history, IMO. Let’s see how this plays out...


22 posted on 03/15/2018 1:41:40 PM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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Stop making sense!

/libtards


23 posted on 03/15/2018 1:47:18 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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Imagine the turmoil Russia could cause now, by producing fake evidence showing their collusion with the Trump campaign. They could toss him out of office.


24 posted on 03/15/2018 4:34:43 PM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
Thanks Starman417.

25 posted on 03/17/2018 12:39:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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The whole “Russians want Trump to win” premise is such crap. Who do you think they’d want, somebody that wins $100 million negotiations for breakfast or a complete idiot DemonRat that will give away the store and is too stupid to know it? Only the Rat-voters can’t see the answer there. It’s like asking who you’d rather play basketball against: Danny DeVito or Michael Jordan.


26 posted on 03/17/2018 6:43:54 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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bump for later


27 posted on 03/17/2018 10:17:51 PM PDT by GOPJ (FBI: How many liberal groups were investigated compared to conservative groups? Agent Lois Lerner?)
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Looks like we’ll know sooner than later...


28 posted on 03/18/2018 9:56:05 AM PDT by GOPJ (FBI: How many liberal groups were investigated compared to conservative groups? Agent Lois Lerner?)
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