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ROBERT E. LEE: OUR GREATEST GENERAL?

Posted on 06/22/2018 11:46:12 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET

That was according to my 8th grade history teacher-retired military. The only one who came close was MacArthur. That brings up the politics of the left. If it is true that Lee was a great General isn't it at least worth acknowledging? This tearing down of statues should stop. Educated persons should acknowledge the truth. It's the left that's the intelligent ones as they would have us believe. I see no conservatives standing up for this truth. The Senate GOP candidate in Virginia should start an 'intellectual' conversation on Lee and let the left react. Don't wait for a baiting reporter to to knee-jerk him into a quick response that they can interpret their own way.


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To: DiogenesLamp
Lincoln supported an amendment to protect slavery.

Try this: Lincoln stated that he had no problem with the Corwin Ammendment being made express and irrevocable. The Corwin Ammendment plainly states that Slavery would thenceforth be a States Rights issue and could not be interfered with by Congress. Lincoln sent out letters to every state Governor, north and south, making sure that they all knew of the proposed Ammendment and his stance on it. He did that in a last ditch effort to avert war. In no way, shape, or form did Lincoln say or suggest that Slavery be made “express and irrevocable”.

281 posted on 06/22/2018 4:15:21 PM PDT by HandyDandy (This space intentionally left blank.)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord

And please! A general during WWII had much the same health advice and medical treatment as a mid-19th century southern general. Yeah, right...


282 posted on 06/22/2018 4:19:46 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Lagmeister

There is no second place in a war. Ask those in the Confederacy when they lost. Ask the Germans when they lost, Ask the Japanese when they lost. The butchers bill is sometimes high. But the bill has to be paid to win. In this case winning is the only thing.


283 posted on 06/22/2018 4:21:48 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: miss marmelstein
And please! A general during WWII had much the same health advice and medical treatment as a mid-19th century southern general. Yeah, right...

There was no treatment for FDR's high blood pressure other than to keep Eleanor at bay and try to keep him as calm as possible from around 43'.

It's why he was in Warm Springs Georgia when he died instead of Washington D.C.

284 posted on 06/22/2018 4:24:59 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord

If Lee was ill, and unable to command, he had an obligation to turn the command over to an officer capable of conducting the battle. That would have probably been Longstreet. Lee chose not to do this. He, and he alone is responsible for the debacle at Gettysburg. A fact that the lost causers refuse to recognize.


285 posted on 06/22/2018 4:29:18 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Let us not forget that Washington institued the first effective U.S. Army Inspector General was Baron Frederick William Augustus Von Steuben. Von Steuben was a former captain in the Prussian Army. He was recruited for the American Army in Paris by Benjamin Franklin in 1777. Had Washington not employed this man the Continnental Army might have failed... and Trump would not prevail!


286 posted on 06/22/2018 4:44:55 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: Snickering Hound; miss marmelstein
There was no treatment for FDR's high blood pressure other than to keep Eleanor at bay and try to keep him as calm as possible from around 43'.

Well there was, but he may not have known about it...Dr Walter Kempner down at Duke had developed his Rice Diet, and it really does control hypertension. As well as some heart and kidney disease.

FDR either didn't know of it, or if he did know about it he didn't want to use it because it is a very restrictive diet.

Still a useful diet if you're dealing with these issues and have allergies to the usual drug treatment.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/kempner-rice-diet-whipping-us-into-shape/

287 posted on 06/22/2018 4:57:00 PM PDT by Pelham (California, Mexico's socialist colony)
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To: outofsalt

When the proclamation was issued it exempt any area that was occupied by the Union Army. This include a large portion of Tennessee as well ase 13 parishes in Louisiana, all of Tidewater Virginia, and portions of costal North Carolina
In these areas, slavery legally did not end until the 13th Amendment was ratified.


288 posted on 06/22/2018 4:59:38 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: afsnco

Actually your wrong. As early as 1793 the supreme court ruled against the compact theory (i.e. the states made the federal government) and supported the nationalist theory is that the people as a whole created the federal government and therefor bound the states to it.

Later in Martin v. Hunter’s Lessee, 14 U.S. (1 Wheat.) 304 (1816), the Supreme Court explicitly rejected the idea that the Constitution is a compact among the states, stating: “The Constitution of the United States was ordained and established not by the States in their sovereign capacities, but emphatically, as the preamble of the Constitution declares, by ‘the people of the United States.’” The Court contrasted the earlier Articles of Confederation with the Constitution, characterizing the Articles of Confederation as a compact among states, while stating that the Constitution was established not by the states, but by the people.

Therefore states do not have the authority to just leave. The only way to legally leave the United states is to pass a constitutional amendment creating such a process. That is not what the southern states did, they started war.


289 posted on 06/22/2018 5:01:55 PM PDT by OIFVeteran
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To: Pelham
FDR either didn't know of it, or if he did know about it he didn't want to use it because it is a very restrictive diet.

FDR smoked like a dragon and drank like a fish up to the end.

He'd start with mixing martinis before dinner and continue until after 10pm.

290 posted on 06/22/2018 5:08:02 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: rockrr

Ponder if Lincoln on hadn’t declared war by reinforcing the harbor forts or calling for 100,000 volunteers to put down what he called the insurrection? See how that works? The South left peacefully- that’s a fact. They asked for the surrender of the forts- Lincoln said no- it wasn’t the South that started the war. As for slavery- we lost the war and now everyone is a slave! Ponder that for a moment-


291 posted on 06/22/2018 5:15:23 PM PDT by panzerkamphwageneinz
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To: miss marmelstein
I don’t link. If you want to read up on his heart problems, do the work yourself.

As i suspected, non-existent sources. Heart problems is not the issue that you raised on the post i replied to, and i already mentioned his frequent bouts of Angina Pectoris. The contention you made was that Lee had an heart attack during the Gettysburg campaign. You have failed to prove your statement.

i believe, based on your posting history, that this is the point where you will begin to use insult and derision as a tool to cover the lack of serious rebuttal. Just as you have done with other posters on this thread. Enjoy.

292 posted on 06/22/2018 5:16:55 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz
Ponder if Lincoln on hadn’t declared war by reinforcing the harbor forts or calling for 100,000 volunteers to put down what he called the insurrection? See how that works?

I suppose if I were to stare directly into the sun for a couple of hours I could see how that might work.

The South left peacefully- that’s a fact.

That's a blatant lie. The south started stealing everything they could get their grubbies on even before they "officially" rebelled. Their actions were warlike, not peaceful.

They asked for the surrender of the forts- Lincoln said no- it wasn’t the South that started the war.

Hostile forces fired upon United States forces. They should have all been exterminated.

...now everyone is a slave!

Speak for yourself.

293 posted on 06/22/2018 5:25:00 PM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: Bull Snipe
The "there is no second place... butchers bill is sometimes high.. bill has to be paid... winning is the only thing."...presupposes butchery is the only answer.

Grant had almost three times Lee's numbers and chose to simply throw his men away like human sacrifices. He would locate Lee's army and played greater numbers against lesser numbers... whether in The Wilderness or dug in positions at Cold Harbor. He treated his soldiers like expendable fodder. Nuff said.

Along with the concept of butchery, we have Sherman who grabbed what his men needed and burned everything else, including any food for plantation slaves he came across. He refused to feed them and drove them away from his camps, leaving countless thousands to die. More butchery.

None of these actions by Grant or Sherman were bills needing to be paid.

294 posted on 06/22/2018 5:31:31 PM PDT by Lagmeister ( false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders Mark 13:22)
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To: rockrr

Ponder if Lincoln on hadn’t declared war by reinforcing the harbor forts or calling for 100,000 volunteers to put down what he called the insurrection? See how that works? The South left peacefully- that’s a fact. They asked for the surrender of the forts- Lincoln said no- it wasn’t the South that started the war. As for slavery- we lost the war and now everyone is a slave! Ponder that for a moment-


295 posted on 06/22/2018 5:32:11 PM PDT by panzerkamphwageneinz
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To: Snickering Hound
William Manchester, JFK's liberal speechwriter was nearly killed while serving as a Marine in WWll, wrote a MacArthur biography, American Caesar.
While no fan of MacArthur the person, he claimed that counting WWI, WWII, and Korea, no general gain as much territory with as little loss of life as MacArthur.
Manchester's MacArthur book and Goodbye Darkness, a book about his personal WWII experiences and overview of the Pacific campaign, are great reading.
296 posted on 06/22/2018 5:34:52 PM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the 0zarks)
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To: rockrr

Exterminated?
You belong to the other side- no gentleman ever spoke such language.
We are done here.


297 posted on 06/22/2018 5:35:14 PM PDT by panzerkamphwageneinz
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To: Pelham

Eishenhower was an equally worse field commander than Lee was.
Eisenhower never commanded an army in the field.

MacArthur on Eisenhower, “Best clerk I ever had.”


298 posted on 06/22/2018 5:38:49 PM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the 0zarks)
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To: fungoking
While no fan of MacArthur the person, he claimed that counting WWI, WWII, and Korea, no general gain as much territory with as little loss of life as MacArthur.

He bypassed Rabaul which had a garrison of a few hundred thousand Japanese and let disease and starvation do the work for him.

Operation Cartwheel was a masterpiece. So was the New Guinea Campaign. And Inchon.

Under MacArthur the Army conducted more amphibious assaults than the Marines. And won all of them.

Australians are still sore about him using their troops to retake Borneo in 45'.

299 posted on 06/22/2018 5:41:00 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: DiogenesLamp
Of course this wasn't South Carolina's 1st flirtation with nullification or threatening to leave the Union. The Nullification Crisis was centered there and ended after Congress passed the Force Act and Andrew Jackson threatened to “go hang the traitors.”
300 posted on 06/22/2018 5:49:36 PM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the 0zarks)
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