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Hiroshima, Nagasaki Bombings Were Needless, Said World War II's Top US Military Leaders
Stark Realities ^ | 08/06/2023 | Brian McGlinchey

Posted on 08/06/2023 7:01:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: faucetman

Beat me to it.

Japan did not surrender after Hiroshima. They were willing to carry on fighting.

After Nagasaki, they changed their mind.

The bombs were necessary — and they saved a million lives. Mostly they saved Japanese lives. The invasion of the home islands was going to be awful for everyone.


21 posted on 08/06/2023 7:19:35 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (It's not a government. It's a criminal enterprise. Fear it, but do not respect it.)
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To: No Party Affiliation

In early 1947, when urged to respond to growing criticism over the use of the atomic bomb, Secretary of War Henry Stimson wrote in Harper’s Magazine that by July 1945 there had been no sign of “any weakening in the Japanese determination to fight rather than accept unconditional surrender.” Meanwhile, the U.S. was planning to ramp up its sea and air blockade of Japan, increase strategic air bombings and launch an invasion of the Japanese home island that November.
“We estimated that if we should be forced to carry this plan to its conclusion, the major fighting would not end until the latter part of 1946, at the earliest,” Stimson wrote. “I was informed that such operations might be expected to cost over a million casualties, to American forces alone.”


22 posted on 08/06/2023 7:19:38 PM PDT by Bookshelf
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To: SeekAndFind

Bullcrap to the war ending in two weeks without the bomb. They didn’t even surrender WITH the first bomb, and even after the second, it took Hirohito to break the stalemate in order to surrender.


23 posted on 08/06/2023 7:19:46 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Major General Curtis LeMay

Charming sentiment from the guy who wanted to bomb Viet Nam into the stone age, and darn near succeeded.

24 posted on 08/06/2023 7:20:17 PM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: Rummyfan

Really! Lemay of all people. I think they stretched it a little too far.


25 posted on 08/06/2023 7:20:19 PM PDT by e_castillo
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To: SeekAndFind

26 posted on 08/06/2023 7:22:21 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: rxh4n1

The Imperial Army had no intention of surrender, even after the second bomb.

The Imperial Navy, which by this time effectively ceased to exist, agreed with the ministry that surrender was the only option.

After the second bomb, Hirohito himself made the decision to surrender. He believed the US possessed many such weapons and refused to allow Japan to be vaporized.

Even then, some in the army refused to surrender and launched a plot to kidnap the emperor and continue the war.

Cooler heads prevailed, and the army was forced to abide by Hirohito’s decision.


27 posted on 08/06/2023 7:22:31 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us )
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To: SeekAndFind
Meaning what?

We should hate ourselves?

We should make reparations by dropping one on D.C., with deep apologies to Tokyo?

If Japan were truly that close to surrender, why did they fail to do so immediately after the first nuke?

Did these remorseful leaders compensate by leaking nuclear secrets to the Soviets?

28 posted on 08/06/2023 7:24:56 PM PDT by G Larry (It is RACIST to impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants by importing Cheap ILLEGAL Labor!)
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To: Skooz

I looked up the Eisenhower quote. It’s genuine:

http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/key-issues/nuclear-weapons/history/pre-cold-war/hiroshima-nagasaki/opinion-eisenhower-bomb.htm


29 posted on 08/06/2023 7:26:48 PM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: meyer

My father had already survived Guadalcanal and Peleliu. Guess where he was going next. I despise these stories.


30 posted on 08/06/2023 7:28:00 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: faucetman

We’re damn lucky Tojo didn’t off Hirohito, and then blame his “martyrdom” on the Americans.

Can you imagine the impact that would have had.


31 posted on 08/06/2023 7:28:17 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Truman's Ultimatum Regarding Hiroshima | BBC Studios
32 posted on 08/06/2023 7:28:54 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Follow the money. Even if it leads you to someplace horrible it will still lead you to the truth.)
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To: meyer
Watch Hacksaw Ridge, on Okinawa.
33 posted on 08/06/2023 7:28:56 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Luke21

Watching “The Pacific”, Peleliu made the European Theater look like a cakewalk in comparison.


34 posted on 08/06/2023 7:29:18 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Notice two all stars aren’t quoted, Patton and MacArthur. Truman saved American lives.


35 posted on 08/06/2023 7:30:04 PM PDT by kenmcg (ti hi o)
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To: SeekAndFind

Horse Shit!


36 posted on 08/06/2023 7:30:10 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (“Who is John Galt?”)
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To: SeekAndFind

I love the argument that “Japan didn’t surrender because of the Bomb - they surrendered because the Soviets had just declared war and invaded Manchuria.” ??? Did the Soviets have the capability to mount an amphibious invasion of the home islands? Or the long-range bomber capability to do what our B-29’s had done? Or the Bomb? No, no, and no.


37 posted on 08/06/2023 7:34:33 PM PDT by Burma Jones
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To: faucetman
After the 2nd bomb, Japan SURRENDERED!!!!

This article is a load of crap. The Japanese Emperor met with the Imperial Council the day after the bombing of Hiroshima on 6 August 1945 and they voted not to surrender. Japanese military leaders hoped that if they held out until the ground invasion of Japan began, they would be able to inflict so many casualties on the Americans that Japan still might win some sort of negotiated settlement. When the council met on 10 August, the day after the Nagasaki bombing, they voted 4-3 to surrender and the Emperor casted the tie-breaking vote.

38 posted on 08/06/2023 7:35:17 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Skooz

Whether real or not, I notice a missing quote from the Supreme Allied Commander of the Pacific (MacArthur). Eisenhower was Europe and likely would not have given much thought to the Pacific.

MacArthur would had known what he was up against if he had to invade the Japanese Islands.

As it is, MacArthur wanted to use atomic bombs on the PLA in the Korean conflict. That would have saved many American lives at Chosin.


39 posted on 08/06/2023 7:35:20 PM PDT by beancounter13 (A Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

40 posted on 08/06/2023 7:37:23 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Leftniks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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