Posted on 09/06/2004 8:16:38 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
In case you didn't notice, 5764 *IS* between 5 and 10 thousand.
Then SAY 5764, not "around here"
"Someone hasn't read the Book of Thomas. (or any of the other finds for that matter) "
Nope, because it had a contrasting theme from the rest of scripture, it was rejected.
"In one of the Scrolls, it is said Jesus told Matthew that we only go to Hell for a short period of time, and that it is not a permamnet place for sinners. That sound like the Jesus you know?"
Correct, that's why those works were rejected as canon.
"No, I am at odds with Man's Word on God's Word. "
And since you reject basic Christian beliefs, we're never going to come to terms...
"As for the idea of a variable rate of decay... what are you smoking and why aren't you sharing? Matter breaks down in a logical pattern (earmark of Intellegent Design). If it didn't, it would all be arbitrary. "
Again, you're not paying attention. I never said arbitrary. I DID clearly state that we don't know what the rate was in the past. That does not dismiss a logical pattern, just not a constant one.
"Since when did i assert it was a flaw to explain to people (who are stupid) how things exist in a way they could come to terms with? Since when is an abridged version of a story a lie?"
God said 6 24-hour days. You're saying He just said that when it was really something else. Therefore you're calling God a liar.
"yet you neglect that again, it was Man who wrote it down. Men who were in power."
I neglect your fantasy statement not at all. I refuted it several times. You don't believe the truth and that is fine...
"Learn to love God on a one-on-one basis. Not in the shadow of some 1700 year old corporation."
I do love God on a one-on-one basis. And we only know Him as He reveals Himself in His word.
At this point, this conversation ends. I could discuss science with a non-believer or a believer without problem. You however are a scoffer, doubting the very word of God yet claiming to believe in Him. You simply gainsay every point from belief by saying "nuh uh" in cleverly more words.
With a believer, I could discuss the Word of God and the scientific evidence for Creation.
With an honest non-believer, I could discuss the scientific evidence for intelligent design.
With you, you're so bogged down on disclaiming the Truth of God's Word that you refuse to see the point of anything. And when I do offer you solid reasoning you ignore it and parrot back something I didn't say.
Fine.
You need to study this site: http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp in more detail.
"Nope, because it had a contrasting theme from the rest of scripture, it was rejected."
And yet, if you read it, it claims to be provided by Divine Insperation as well. Man edited it. Yes it didn't agree with the majority, but then again, since when does the majority make it right?
"Correct, that's why those works were rejected as canon"
You missed the point. He is the Jesus you know because the other stories weren't kept. If they had been kept, and the ones we read had been dropped, you would have viewed Him differently. It was Man who put the Bible together. It was Man who omitted.
"I DID clearly state that we don't know what the rate was in the past. That does not dismiss a logical pattern, just not a constant one."
Hince the term "Logarithm." (however, please explain a logical pattern that doesn't have a constant pattern) The RATE is always the same, that's why it's a RATE. It would be like saying "100% NOW isn't worth a 100% 5 mins ago"
"God said 6 24-hour days. You're saying He just said that when it was really something else. Therefore you're calling God a liar."
God said "6 periods of time and a final one for rest." You said "6 24-hour days" (BTW, a day is shy of a full 24)
"I do love God on a one-on-one basis. And we only know Him as He reveals Himself in His word."
That right there tells me you don't feel God right now. You can't even tell me God is in your life. To you, He's a fantastic character in a book. To me, He's showing Himself every dawn. He watches over myself and my lovely girlfriend whom I plan to marry. I talk to Him, and He listens to me. He isn't some paper, He's alive, and I know Him, and I believe in His Son.
The Devil may not fear a dusty Bible; I don't fear a devil with God in my life, not in my hands.
And BTW, how do you know the Holy Spirit isn't in me right now, telling me what to write? How do you know whether my writings are from Divine Inspiration or not? How do you know God isn't speaking through me, teaching you to simply get the gist of the Bible, and live your life with love in mind and heart?
"With a believer, I could discuss the Word of God and the scientific evidence for Creation.
With an honest non-believer, I could discuss the scientific evidence for intelligent design. "
for one thing, i believe. For another, I support the evidence for both. However, yours is not the only evidence. I feel intelligent design is a given. The story of Creation may have been imbelished somewhere down the line, but in essence proves the point for intelligent design.
Again, as I have said though; Jesus spoke in parables. Who are you to know if God was speaking a story or not? A story is NOT A LIE, it is a simplified way of feeding extremely complex information to people who may or may not be capable of understanding the true origins.
It would be like reading a 200 page book of Tom Sayer. The story is not disagreeing with the original story, it is simply giving us the basic ideas to found our conversations about it without being 600 pages and filled with details. For example; what colour was Adam's hair? How come in the Torah we hear of a woman BEFORE Eve, but it is dropped in the Bible?
"At this point, this conversation ends. I could discuss science with a non-believer or a believer without problem. You however are a scoffer, doubting the very word of God yet claiming to believe in Him. You simply gainsay every point from belief by saying "nuh uh" in cleverly more words."
Far from it! I believe in the Word of our God. It is the people who write something down and want us to automatically obey the word THEY wrote down I scoff. I have full faith in God, it's Man I fear.
I believe in God, not Flesh. I lean not on my own understanding... nor anyone like me, for they are also flawed and human.
Perhaps one day you'll be at a point to continue this conversation.
You're young right now and unwilling to see truth. You're also unwilling or uncapable of carrying on a reasoned debate which is shown each time to repeat things that you've already been corrected on.
Take care. I hope you and your fiance are not unequally yoked.
I am at a point to understand it now, if you would only address what i present.
You feel I am a fool for relying on the Bible to give a sound structure and science to fill in the details. I feel you are mistaken, because the Bible doesn't give all the details. It's an outline for us to base our reasoning on.
When you start taking the words of men to be the mouth of God, you will find yourself without a true perspective. You are watching someone elses dreams and interpretting them. In the context of the person having the dream, it may be truth, but to anyone else it is simple speculation.
Perhaps one day we will both come to a point where this will make sense. Right now though, you must realize, I have been on your road. I came here for a reason. You left here for a reason.
Thanks for the regards, no need to mention yokes.
Nevermind the fact that the Bible states that to Him short period of time can be an eternity, and many generations can be the blink of an eye.Well said.
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent
Small Comets and Our Origins
University of Iowa ^ | circa 1999 | Louis A. Frank
Posted on 10/19/2004 11:13:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1250694/posts
Why Study Comets?
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepimpact/media/f_whycomets.html
"Comets are the remainders of material formed in the coldest part of our solar system. Impacts from comets played a major role in the evolution of the Earth, primarily during its early history billions of years ago. Some believe that they brought water and a variety of organic molecules to Earth."
Icy Comets Once Carried Water to Earth...Scientists long ago concluded that comets are frozen, dusty remnants from the formation of our solar system 4.6 billion years ago.
February 3, 2006 9:00AM
Sci-Tech Today
Some have theorized that comets smashing into the early Earth delivered primitive organic compounds and water that helped give rise to life.
Jessica Sunshine, lead author of the Science article, said that understanding comets' composition can illuminate the role they played as "a possible source that delivered water to Earth."
"Add the large organic component in comets and you have two of the key ingredients for life," she said.
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