Posted on 09/30/2004 10:40:34 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
Totally disagree with you--you should rewatch or relisten to the debate. First impressions might not be your forte!
Squid.
The Washington Post said Bush won the debate. A very liberal California paper said Bush won. There are others.
Kerry's own senior consultant, Lockhart, said the debate was a tie.
Spin that, Neville. If you're a Republican, I'm Tony Blair.
Gosh you just love anything that knocks Dubya, don't ya?
Bet you're just clapping your hands and gleeful today at all the leftist newsies fainting fawningly over Kerry.
Yes. The undecided voters are who these debates have an effect. Like it or not, presentation is everything to those who don't follow politics as close as people like us. Kerry hammered on Iraq and gave the President many openings to give specifics on our successes there. Instead, he kept to the same talking points of "hard work" and "free Iraq" and "offensive". He should put it in terms JoeSixPack understands and can relate to.
I do give him credit for his closing remarks.
I will agree on presentation, but I look at it from a more common perspective. It is safe to assume that most who are truly undecided do not follow the candidates closely. Kerry comes across as a slick, manicured, fake-baked car salesman who talks a lot but shortly after his image is gone it is hard to find any meat in what he said.
I know there are plenty of morons out there, but I think most can spot a charlatan when they see one.
Kerry is the same guy today as he was yesterday morning. He is unappealing to the average person and he demonstrated nothing of any feasible plan for anything, let alone instill trust.
That is, after all, what the potential voter is looking for, right? I surely hope there aren't a lot of voters that base their decision on hollow generalities. Certainly most realized that there were never any answers from Kerry.
On the other hand and regardless of "presentation", Bush has shown what he will do and people have a clear opportunity to observe it.
When it's all said and done, Kerry seems to have no real plan ready. I have seen nothing but vague statements about allies, training, equipment, yada, yada. Then of course, his actions belie even those remarks.
Again...please articulate what Kerry said that caused you to think he was the big winner.
Can you quote the WaPo where they said this?
Kerry has a 20 year record in the Senate - That record shows that Mr. Kerry's judgment has been wrong over and over again -
Yet President G.W. Bush did not drive this point home at all!! - He only stated over and over that Kerry's positions on the war in Iraq and consistently changed - (this is 100% true) -
But G.W. Bush should have repeated how Kerry's vision for American Security has been proven wrong over and over again in his 20 years in the Senate -
There were a number of times where G.W. Bush looked like he was trying to come up with something to say.....That should have been his "go to" whenever he was searching for a thought! -
A much stronger showing will be needed out of G.W. Bush in the next 2 debates. Period.
Fortunately, the polls are showing that there has been no shift after last night. I would suggest that Bush make some serious changes in his debate prep staff because he might be able to afford one off night, but three would be hurtful.
What is it with you stalking Peach? It is becoming obvious to anyone who's paying attention.
Maybe... but Bush has nothing from this debate to haunt him but some grumpy expressions and some missed opportunities. That's a big thing.
Meanwhile, if there are any honest journalists left, Kerry will have to be explaining Iran, killing our nuke program, and -- most importantly -- the "global test."
Which position would you rather be in over time? I'll take Bush's... a lot less to answer for and explain. Sometimes debate perceptions actually change as issues like those play out.
Responsible opinions -- respected opinions -- do require support. We used to teach that concept in schools, but enter the age of relativism...
And those who slammed this poster's opinion strictly because it ran contrary to the groupthink on FR? Those should be respected?
I think you've made my point for me. Thanks.
But that is just my opinion.
I think you've made my point for me. Thanks.
But that is just my opinion.
I never commented on any of the other posters. So, while you say that "makes your point," it actually makes mine. You've formed an opinion based on something I didn't say and a position I've never held. Rush to judgement, pal, based on a preconceived notion. See what happens when you base opinions on thin air?
Well, the fact is none of the MSM will ask her to clarify his ridiculous positions on these issues.
Kerry not having to defend his 20 year Senate record in the debate......was all the Kerry team wanted.
Because it kept Bush on the defensive the entire time. Kerry won because he never had to defend his record. His record of being wrong on the cold war, wrong on the first gulf war, wrong on the needs of the military....he never ONCE had to defend his record.
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