Posted on 02/28/2005 8:24:39 AM PST by pissant
LOL!!
Thanks! This is a bitter lesson for a lot of folks to accept, I think. Whenever it comes up on FR, I interestingly find more support from women for my position. Men seem to react to it with more hostility.
I suspect it's that women know it's basically true (even if it does sound a little harsh), and that some men have a lot of emotional investment in being 'nice,' and they hate seeing that emotional investment undermined (by the truth).
Looks like a surefire way to remain single forever.
All this lameass "guyspeak" is such a turn-off.
May as well high-five after each sentence. YEAH!
Half of his observations are proof his perception is stuck in clicheland and he hasn't looked around the real world with his eyes open. It's cute and normal for newborn kittens to be so blind, but grown men should see beyond this shallow level.
I think you have an ally in Cyborg with your commentary
I think he's just trying to sell his book. I figured that out from the first sentence. The best selling books in men's magazines seem to be the 'how to attract a gorgeous girl' books in the same way diet books are peddled to women.
When did you have a little sense of humor? Are congratulations in order?
Indeed.
No, I haven't noticed this at all. Have you? Look around at the couples you see this week at the store or the mall or walking together on the street.... I don't think this "observation" is true at all. It's a salesman's pitch, like cyborg said.....
They're selling this stuff to guys who believe following their advice will mean getting a porn star look alike. It's the same mentality behind selling ab lounges to women who are 300 lbs.
I've made no declarations on the merits of the author's arguments yet. For one thing, I could write the definitive book on it, at least from a feller's perspective.
That said a couple of his points are valid.
Unfortunately, the only resemblence between me and Angelina Jolie is that we're both lunatics.
"Please note that our intrepid author fails to mention a sense of humor."
Yeah I noticed that too. A guy has about 30 seconds to try to make me laugh. If it doesn't happen, I'm not interested. My boyfriend makes me laugh a thousand times a day.
With regard to extended romantic relationships with either? Considering that women often think they will be able to change the man they're with, women would probably have better success trying to change the nice guy rather than the jerk. Though my thinking that probably misses the point.
wow men really do have a lot to learn. Men are in bigtime denial. I'm sure guys like this have a website to give out false hope for average men. He must be selling some bogus program to make money. Movies like Hitch with Will Smith and websites like this are a part of the problem with the world today. It turns average guys that are somewhat tolerable into complete weirdos like those men that swim naked to get to anna kournikova's home. In the movie hitch it is claimed that some average middle aged fatso can get girls like supermodel amber valetta if they can just get girls to see how wonderful they are. LOL what a joke!
Men are on roughly the same timeline as women maybe minus 5 years. As they age it can only get worse the quality of women they can attract. Yes men can obtain money and improve their chances but their are limits especially as a man ages.
It won't stop men from trying to think and convince other men there are ways.
The only men that can get away with being jerks are guys that are extremely good looking. (colin farrel, johhny depp types)
If some ugly old dweeb of a man started acting like a complete jerk to me it wouldn't make me more sexually attracted to him, it would just make him an ugly old dweeb who I reeeeally hate because now he's a jerk.
If Donald Trump wasn't extremely rich, he'd never get a flippin' date, that's for sure.
Get a load of this!
I don't get that this is what he's advocating. What I get from the article is he's saying that the needy "I worship the ground you walk on -- I can't live without you -- please let me be your doormat and walk all over me" type of "nice guy" is not going to get any respect
What he's actually saying in the article is "Women are NEVER attracted to men that they can walk all over... Women aren't attracted to Wussies!". He's not saying don't be polite -- he's saying have some respect and don't beg
What I've noticed is that women like self-confidence (not to be confused with arrogance), ability (not to be confused with mere wealth), and respect (not to be confused with propitiation)
The attitude he seems to be advocating for guys toward women is "I like you, I think you're great, and I will treat you well. But don't think I won't drop you and find somebody else if you disrespect me. I'm not your puppy"
I just don't get the article and I'm not understanding what you're saying. A man wouldn't have to tell me all that. I would make it clear I respect him but he'll have to respect me too and treat me like a lady. The only times I've seen men be spineless when they're running after a pretty woman.
Got something you want to discuss?
You know what got me,,a cool ironic smile as if he was thinking what a prissy little girl I was. It just drove me mad.
But my husband was always sweet and kind of nerdy and shy,,I liked that. His humor and wit also was winning. Plus I knew his word was his bond, he was utterly loyal and would ditch me in a moment if I strayed. Being fickle, that won me. I would never marry a man who would tolerate unfaithfulness. I also liked it when he said sexist things, it was sort of a challenge.
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