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1 posted on 07/15/2006 10:48:34 AM PDT by Xing Daorong
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To: Xing Daorong
every quote showing "Judeao-Christian hatred" can be logically explained by anyone who has read the Quran.

Great - get started. We're waiting.
2 posted on 07/15/2006 10:50:14 AM PDT by beezdotcom
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I don't understand, some people say that Islam is responsible for terrorism today

Not all muslims are terrorists but most terrorosts are muslim.

3 posted on 07/15/2006 10:50:14 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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A lot of people don't understand how Arabic is translated. If that was explained, more would see how a Sheik/Imaan can translate the Quran to say about 5 totally different things.


4 posted on 07/15/2006 10:51:05 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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You're not even *wrong*.
5 posted on 07/15/2006 10:51:27 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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Islam and Christianity are NOTHING alike. For example, a personal God which loves His people enough to become flesh and die a sacrificial death so they can have a relationship with God is totally anathema to a moslem. Moslems have no concept of knowing God, knowing as a certainty your sins are forgiven and that entry into is not based on personal merit.

On top of that, I think you are a troll.

6 posted on 07/15/2006 10:51:33 AM PDT by Jemian (PAM of JT ~~ Thanks for putting our boys in harms way, Rep. Murtha, you treasonous jack@ss!)
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You must have severe nasal congestion to the point of not being able to smell a fifth column. Use Afrin spray.


7 posted on 07/15/2006 10:53:19 AM PDT by GSlob
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Islam is so similiar to Christianity that there isn't even a point to it

Oh and that's because Mohammed took what he liked from Christianity and Judaism and incorporated it in his religion.

Btw, the Qu'ran says that it's alright to lie to "infidels". Nowhere in the Bible is lying condoned. The Qu'ran also states that you can beat your wife and she'll benefit from it. There's NO corellating Scripture.

8 posted on 07/15/2006 10:54:11 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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Why Would Any God Fearing Conservative Have a Disdain for Islam?

It will probably end when the Muslims stop trying to kill us, clean up their own house (reign in the terrorists), and leave everyone else alone to live in peace. Until then...


9 posted on 07/15/2006 10:54:31 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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Islam is so similiar to Christianity that there isn't even a point to it, every quote showing "Judeao-Christian hatred" can be logically explained by anyone who has read the Quran

And furthermore, the Christians on Ambon, Sulawesi and Papua can give you an earful about hatred for Christians by moslems. You do not find a correlation anywhere, even in the Crusades, in Christian history.

11 posted on 07/15/2006 10:56:35 AM PDT by Jemian (PAM of JT ~~ Thanks for putting our boys in harms way, Rep. Murtha, you treasonous jack@ss!)
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"I don't understand, some people say that Islam is responsible for terrorism today, rather than those who manipulate and perversely interpret Islam to further their murderous aims.

Islam is so similiar to Christianity that there isn't even a point to it, every quote showing "Judeao-Christian hatred" can be logically explained by anyone who has read the Quran.

We have groups like Muslims for Bush (now Muslims for America) a primarily Republican group of American muslims supporting the War on Terror."

Before the zot hungry get here, I can address a few of those hopefully.

First, most reasonable people do understand that not all Muslims are Islamists or supporters of terror.

However, Islam is not similar to Christianity, or to Judaism, truly. They have a similar basis, as all are Abrahamic faiths. But Islam is a supercessionist faith; it seeks to replace the others, seeing itself as superior. This is explicit and overtly stated in the Koran and the Hadiths.

Also, there are far more passages in the Koran and the Hadiths that encourage intolerance and discrimination against people of others faiths, even the so-called "People of the Book", than discourage it. And that encourage violence. And that encourage a totalitarian theocratically structured society.

This does not mean that moderate Islam is not possible, or does not exist. But it does mean that those who see a moderate Islam as intended to be the mainstream Islam have a long way to go in reforming their faith. It's not something Christians and Jews can do; its something Muslims need to do for themselves.

And I think a major problem that people have with Islam is that people see relatively few moderate Muslims stand up against terror; those individuals who do stand up against terror and are ostensibly Muslim are, more often than not (in my experience at least), secular.

Also, it is a truisim, but nevertheless a valid (if generalizing) observation that Islam does have "bloody borders". All around the world, it seems to be on, or even making up the primary bulk of, one side in the majority of national and international conflicts around the world. Many ex-Soviet republics, the middle east, Israel, terrrorism, France, Germany, Turkey, Malaysia, Thailand, India, Pakistan, etc.

And, unfortunately, the faith is given a bad name by Muslim citizens and residents of Western countries who, whenever a terrorist attack occurs, blame the West first, and give only muted (if any) criticism of the terrorists.

Muslims for Bush, Muslims for Moderate Islam and Muslims for a Democratic Middle East would go a long way towards correcting a (hopefully false) negative perception of Islam as a violent, backwards faith if they were active, and sought to unequivocally condemn terrorism, sought to reform their faith, purge the violent heretics (and I do appreciate that Wahabiism/Salafismhas been declared a heresy about 90 times or so, but it still does make up 10-15% of Muslims) and stop equivocating and justifying evil actions.

Islam is different than Christianity and Judaism. That's not necessarily a bad thing; but, if it wants to be seen as a positive influence, it must first visibly produce positive works, or at least visibly and productively work towards neutralizing evil works.

Finally, not all Muslims are terrorists, but an overwhelming number of terrorists are Muslim. Obviously, this gives innocent and moderate Muslims a bad name.

I've known many good, decent, moderate and patriotic Muslims from a variety of countries; Britain, Canada, Pakistan, Israel, Jordan and Turkey, to name a few. I've also seen many radical Muslims. Many people who don't run in the same circles as me would not have met moderate Muslims (who probably do make up the majority in North America, even if many do seem to possess rather extreme anti-American and anti-Israeli sentiments) and yet will still have seen the radicals and their works. This will colour the representation.

This is why moderate Muslims must visibly and vocally condemn the radical heretics, each and every time, and not equivocate, nor justify, nor seek to explain, or put into context terrorism, religious extremism or seditious statements.

/soapbox


15 posted on 07/15/2006 11:04:51 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Xing Daorong

Everything I need to know about islam, I learned on 9-11.


18 posted on 07/15/2006 11:05:50 AM PDT by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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It comes from a combination of backlash against terrorist acts and liberal appeasement, over generalization, facts about Islam that are disturbing (Mohammed's life, hadiths, taqqiya, etc), and a lot of hypocrisy.

By the standards they use to show that all Muslims are terrorists, we would fail the test miserably because we don't immediately go out in public and condemn every act of terror in the world. To make matters worse, any FReeper would be righteously angered if someone defamed Christianity or Judaism and would fight back. Yet the anti-Islam FReepers expect Muslims to take virulent insults on their faith sitting down and eventually come join the good guy.

In addition, they often forget/not realize that Muslims die in terror attacks and are victims of such as much as anybody. Of course contributions by the Iraqis and Afghanis are often overlooked. I even talked to a couple of posters who couldn't care less that Afghanis and Iraqis bled and died right alongside American troops.

The group of people most against this world view are FReepers who know someone serving or is currently serving him/herself. They interact on a daily basis with the "Muslimes" and know the truth of the matter: they are not all terrorist, women beating, camel raping, towel-headed fanatics.

There is not enough "walking a mile" going on among these posters. If some alien species came to earth claiming to give us a better life and adopted the tactics/language advocated by these FReepers, we would fight tooth and nail to send these b@$tards packing, no matter how good their advocated lifestyle really is. You don't win friends by demeaning the very core of their being and threatening mass extermination.


19 posted on 07/15/2006 11:06:09 AM PDT by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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The more devout the Christian, the better the man/woman they will be. The more devote the Muslim, the better terrorist they will be. Therein lies the problem.


24 posted on 07/15/2006 11:14:03 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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17 major skirmishes going on in the world, 16 involve muslims NOT Christians, muslims. islam says Christ is a prophet, not the Son of God. Similiarities? Nonsense


25 posted on 07/15/2006 11:14:25 AM PDT by MadLibDisease (Hey Ahmadinejad, your mahdi isn't worth a load of pig crap)
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"I don't understand, some people say that Islam is responsible for terrorism today, rather than those who manipulate and perversely interpret Islam to further their murderous aims."

Islam is massive, over one billion people. It would be literally impossible to manipulate this huge 'religion' into a tool for terrorism unless the very basic tenets of mohamedism were sympathetic to the terrorists' cause. Terrorism stems from islam, which teaches hatred for the "infidel"; the two cannot reasonably be seperated, accept by the ignorant and the blind.

27 posted on 07/15/2006 11:15:10 AM PDT by TheCrusader
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I don't understand, some people say that Islam is responsible for terrorism today, rather than those who manipulate and perversely interpret Islam to further their murderous aims.

Much like the NAZI party was twisted by those that interpreted it incorrectly and twisted it into a bad thing? Nonsense. The practitioners make Islam what it is. If they say its a death cult, then its a death cult. I'm not saying it calls for murdering nonbelievers, Muslims are saying this.

Islam is so similar to Christianity...

What rubbish. There is no need to look past the two religions' views on what Heaven is. In Islam it is a carnal playground of virgins and little boys. In Christianity it is a spiritual paradise.

34 posted on 07/15/2006 11:32:39 AM PDT by SampleMan
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Stupid cant be fixed.
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35 posted on 07/15/2006 11:33:10 AM PDT by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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I don't understand, some people say that Islam is responsible for terrorism today

Two comments:

(1) The type of "Islam" that has been exported to the world by the Saudi oil money (funding "missionaries" and the building of mosques) is bent on violence and their cash has resulted in lots of converts to Muslim radicalism.

(2) Islam is in need of a "reformation" to purge it of some of its corrupt and ancient influences, just as has happened in the "Christian religions." It took some internal religious wars in Europe to remove the selling of injustices, to remove torture and execution of heretics, and to change a lot of things. Islam just needs to catch up to the age of enlightenment, so it can be tolerated by the rest of the modern world.

40 posted on 07/15/2006 12:04:12 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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Why Would Any God Fearing Conservative Have a Disdain for Islam?

Anyone who threatens to kill my family will not be loved.

41 posted on 07/15/2006 12:21:39 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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Xot.


45 posted on 07/15/2006 12:51:34 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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