Skip to comments.JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case SuspectFR Thread Roundup
Posted on 08/20/2006 5:37:25 AM PDT by Rte66
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Correction: it LOOKS like that is what is happening.
It took care of the money and transportation question.
I have friends in the auto dealer business. I even bought one of my cars from them. $1000 check, $500 cash.
They go to the local auction, buy a couple of cars and resell them. They make the re-sale a wash....and voila "no income".
Good grief - of course they went through the house - upon arrival around 6AM.
Excellent observation and explains,or at least forces one to look at,other preconceived ideas and theories. That was an outstanding contribution.----I thought I had heard or seen everything there was to hear or see on the subject but I hadn't heard that.
You said it yourself:
"... Of course it points AWAY from her. ..."
"He" did refer to Mrs. Ramsey, in the practice note.
The pad is in the evidence locker. It will be easy enough to find out what other notes Patsy had written on it, if it were her daily or most recent "things to do" list pad.
That info has never been released, to my knowledge, and I've always wanted to know it.
Did it start Mr and Mrs Ramsey and is that is all he wrote?
Did they find the extra missing pages?
Isn't the pad a page numbered yellow contractors pad of paper with the sheets ripping off from the top?
So, what are your thoughts on 5, 7 and 8? Do you see problems with the timeline or no? What might explain it? Also, what do you know about the 911 recording? I haven't been able to pick out the voices...
Lee wasn't the only one involved. No one has solved the case yet ... but I would think you know that.
In considering all the scientific clues of "normal times" for things, you always have to take into consideration that she was a tiny 6-year-old who only weighed 45 pounds.
I just don't agree..he was never there..its Mom and Dad. I'd bet my paycheck on it
They got home earlier than that. The 10PM is an estimate of the time Patsy went to bed, according to John Ramsey, who said he was still awake at that time.
If you win the bet with Denver Gal will ya share? I'm a little short right now!
we're no longer looking at a school teacher with a child obscession going to Colorado,
but a 32 year old preppy looking rich guy driving a sportscar driving into Boulder at Christmas time. No one would blink an eye!!
Yes, a MagLite - had plastic casing, I believe, but perhaps metallic. It was one of the long ones that holds a number of D batteries, very heavy, similar to LE-issue.
There are allegedly two in question, one thought to have been left behind by LE - alleged by Ramseys - and one that was used at night in the upper bedrooms, allegedly by Burke, although the one always described as a possible weapon had to be too heavy for him to carry at night to get around the house.
I'll have to return to #7 and #8 questions much later on. Trying to keep up with today's happenings.
SBTC? Have they shown them anywhere yet?
I'll take any bets...I honestly am 100% sure Karr was never in Boulder
A legal pad, with pages taken out of the middle. They know how many pages were taken out and where they came from in the pad - but I can't for the life of me recall right now how many pages it is.
Seems like it was 8, but could be wrong about that. Easy to check it online at some point.
OK, remember this chronology:
1) John Ramsey finds the body
2) John Ramsey calls his attorney
3) John Ramsey calls his pilot for an immediate flight to Atlanta
Only, after this did he call the police
Will have to address that later, too much going on I haven't caught up on yet.
I had 'heard', and that's part of the prob IMO, that they had arrived at 10 p.m. and I had heard 9:30 p.m. So, in my mind it was never really clear when exactly they got home. I read about the John Belushi case where pathologists tried to pin his time of death down and a similar thing happened as to what we see here. They got two indicators with time intervals that didn't overlap. So, they just merged the two with a time in-between. That practice seemed to be accepted by pathologists (b/c of individual variance) and the courts. So, it seems reasonable to do here. If I understand it right, that technique results in a time of death of 10 p.m. give or take an hour.
We'll be very conservative here and say that the GI transit was only 30 minutes. Then the perp, at the latest, was feeding JBR at 10:30 p.m. This pushes the time line really tight. He would have had to go up to her room w/o being noticed, whisk her downstairs and have her eating out of a bowl of pineapple with no ones fingerprints on it but Burke's and Patsy's by 10:30 p.m. at the absolute outside. Yes, I think that's enough to question the Ramsey's version of events unless one is emotionally vested in absolutely exonerating them.
If the cop was just lying about the smell (which I haven't heard of any other witnesses contesting that) then she could have died as late as, say, 12 a.m. That could explain it, but if we go to that length then any of the evidence about JMK can suffer the same fate.
To me, the most questionable aspects of the case hinge on three things:
1.) the type of head trauma she received which LOOKS more like an accidental head wound than an intentional one.
2.) the 911 call, not only indicating deception by all 3 of the Ramseys, but showing that Burke knew far too much about what was going on to have been innocently sleeping.
3.) the time of death, discussed above.
The other points, I concur, could be explained by other means.
Yes to both
Some people will always take the other side. Nothing wrong with that. They become a bangboard....that 12th juror who has to be convinced. So hold onto your opinion and let things fall as they will.
We're ALL speculating here. It was the "where does he get the money" that bothered me because it ties to lifestyle. Hoosiermama solved that.
Maybe when Karr started to get verbal in 2001, it was because the car dealer he was working with had died.
He had moved from rural Alabama to northern CA in 2000.
OK, we will agree to disagree. When are they flying him back to Denver?
I just think his whole story falls apart by tomorrow
Court TV is showing the small jet on the tarmac, it's fun to watch NG speculate on every landing chopper....
Nagel said that despite thousands of articles and books about the slaying, "most of the evidence in the affidavit has not been disclosed, nor has the media developed it independently."
Larry Pozner on MSNBC said today that he had heard that the affidavit for the arrest warrant was 50-80 pages long (I don't know where he got this information).
JMK is now aboard the small jet, about to take off for Boulder...should be there in a couple of hours..
everything is going smoothly just like it should. I truly believe they have something on him or he has information or this was a 2 party job and he was there.
Quite right, and smaller bodies putrify slower because they cool faster. A 300 lb circus mama would putrefy faster because the greater body mass would retain warmth longer, spurring bacterial growth.
The body was also in a presumably cooler room which would also slow putrefaction. So if putrefaction occurrs from 24-36 hours, yet conditions for more rapid putrefaction did not exist and unusual or rapid putrefaction is NOT noted in the autopsy, then perhaps claims of odor/putrefaction by the officer are overstated, mistaken or bias on the part of officer who interprets facts to fit theory instead of the other way around?
Assuming death must have occurred earlier rather than later based on the officer's perception rather than the coronor's statement seems specious at best.
JMK is in the air...a 3hr flight...Lady Justice awaits Karr one way or the other...
The document explains that authorities did not attempt to contact witnesses before Karr was captured out of fear they might warn Karr and cause him to flee Thailand.
The police were already there when the body was found! Hello, they were called when the ransom note was found.
My mistake, but after Ramsey found the note he called his attorney and his pilot before calling the police
Either or flying in and buying a car.....Or driving in and flying back. Time wise I think that flying in and driving back would work better
News just said he and wife and family car broke down in CO on way to CA. WHy didn't he take the southern route?
No, he didn't. He didn't call the cops at all - he made Patsy do it.
He called the pilot several times during the day, because they were supposed to fly out early that morning. The call he made about prepping the plane for ATL was within 45 minutes of JonBenet's body being found.
No one has ever released the true info on when John R might've *first* called an attorney, so we may never know. There are lots of statements concerning the contacts that afternoon, but he made a lot of calls that day, so we don't really know.
WHy didn't he take the southern route?
He had to stop in Boulder to do a little sightseeing?.....his wife needs to answer the question!
Aacck. CAP is saying the "door was open" and it's conceivable John Karr was there at the gingerbread party. Yeah, right. Pam didn't live there, didn't go to the party, doesn't know who was there or what door was or wasn't open.
John Ramsey and Bahrain are a good fit.
I remember an interview years ago of a man who was a friend of the Ramseys saying that he adivised them that day to call their lawyer...he was at the house with them ...I cannot remember who it was, but there must be a record of it somewhere.
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