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JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case SuspectFR Thread Roundup
Free Republic ^ | August 16-20, 2006 | FReepers

Posted on 08/20/2006 5:37:25 AM PDT by Rte66

For your bookmarking assistance, this is a reference list of links to the Aug 2006 or newer Free Republic threads on the topic of the JonBenet Ramsey murder case and the possible arrest of John Mark Karr as a suspect in her murder.


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To: TommyDale

http://www.kingsolomonsgate.com/

KingSolomonsGate.com
Copyright © (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005) Daniel C Pride


Scroll down to the JonBenet links.


2,351 posted on 08/26/2006 9:52:18 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

I can't figure out how this guy ties the Ramsey murder with Solomon's Gate?? At the bottom of the page he links his archeological interests with "coincidences"???

Bizarre dude. Almost as weird as Karr.


2,352 posted on 08/26/2006 10:00:40 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: bonfire

bookmark


2,353 posted on 08/26/2006 10:23:31 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: stlnative

This is awful to suggest, but from the looks of that devise it seems possible that she could have been hung from something with it, perhaps after death to allow the killer to look at what he had done.


2,354 posted on 08/26/2006 10:29:12 AM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: ableLight

Are you certain there was no petechial hemoraging in the whites of the eyes? That is not what I gathered from the description of the petechial hemmoraging. In another area of the autopsy, the coroner does describe the eyes as being white, but this is the area where she is describing the general health of the child. The brain is also described as being unremarkable, and we know there was trauma there. I read that and took it to mean that JonBenet's general health was good before the attack. If she had described the whites of the eyes as being yellow, that would have indicated liver problems and poor health at the time of death.


2,355 posted on 08/26/2006 10:45:18 AM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: maggief

From his original account:

"The individual I asked for a cigarette light that night was 35 to 50 years old, emaciated, pot bellied, thin, about 5'11"

In 1996 Karr would have only been 31, but "pot bellied, thin"?
I have more doubts about this character than I do Karr. Where do these whack jobs come from?


2,356 posted on 08/26/2006 10:45:40 AM PDT by TommyDale (It's time to dismiss the Duke fake rape case, Mr. Nifong!)
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To: maggief

Urgent FreepMail!


2,357 posted on 08/26/2006 10:49:40 AM PDT by TommyDale (It's time to dismiss the Duke fake rape case, Mr. Nifong!)
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To: maggief

Yikes, this guy gives me the creeps. Would a bus company really be as casual about their schedules as his account seems to suggest?


2,358 posted on 08/26/2006 10:57:00 AM PDT by Dolphy
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To: All

where can I upload a file that anyone can download.
Isn't there a free and quick filing sharing website out there that I really don't have to register for?


2,359 posted on 08/26/2006 11:17:08 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

You may be right. I can only go on how I'm reading it. The relevant quote is "the sclerae are white" (whites of the eyes). I would find it remarkable that if there were petechial hemorrhaging of the whites of the eyes, given it's investigative significance, that he would not have mentioned that. So, I think it very unlikely there was any. Maybe, for some reason, he just neglected to mention it.

I'm interested in where you gathered that there was petechial hemorrhaging in the whites of the eyes b/c I could find no reference to that at all. I could have missed something, but I didn't see it.


2,360 posted on 08/26/2006 11:35:16 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

it is possible but internal damage to the neck would have shown up differently is she was hung, they would have noted it.


2,361 posted on 08/26/2006 11:43:51 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

BTW, it would be nice if we could get an MD or pathologist on to discuss this as well as the head trauma. In particular, I would like to know how specific to strangulation petechial hemorrhaging in the whites of the eyes really is. I say that b/c petechial hemorrhaging on the skin is also a symptom of head trauma, so the two things are hard to distinguish and it CAN also be a symptom of strangulation. I've only read that petechial hemorrhaging in the whites of the eyes is the only definitive way to say that a person actually DIED of strangulation. But we may be in a gray area b/c the events are so close together that its hard to tell. I just don't know.

Now, I would also point out that even if she had expired BEFORE strangulation, that does NOT by itself implicate the family. The attacker may have simply engaged in 'overkill'.


2,362 posted on 08/26/2006 11:47:21 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: maggief

thanks - I'm too tired to think about this now, will look at it later. NAP TIME!


2,363 posted on 08/26/2006 11:48:48 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: ableLight

I'm not sure what report you are reading.

Under the portion of the autopsy report titled "EXTERNAL EVIDENCE OF INJURY":

In
the lateral aspect of the left lower eyelid on the inner conjunctival
surface is a 1mminmaximum dimension petechial hemorrhage. Very fine,
less than 1mm petechial hemorrhages are present on the skin of the
upper eyelids bilaterally as well as on the lateral left cheek. On
everting the left upper eyelid there are much smaller, less than 1mm
petechial hemorrhages located on the conjuctival surface. Possible
petechial hemorrhages located on the conjunctival surfaces of the
right upper and lower eyelids, but livor mortis on this side of the
face makes definite identification difficult.




Also note further down in the report that her pupils were equally dilated. Severe brain damage would result in unequal pupils.


2,364 posted on 08/26/2006 12:20:53 PM PDT by Miztiki (Pearland, TX)
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To: onyx; stlnative; MizSterious; null and void; gridlock; hershey; hoosiermama; PilloryHillary; ...

With a modified gag order now in place in the JonBenet murder case, John Mark Karr as the accused, there may not be much news to discuss.

I've added some recent transcripts from interviews with case-related people for this daily ping and will watch for other news to add in this space, as it transpires.




ADDENDUM #6
Fri., 8/25/06, 12:31 PM thru Sat., 8/26/06, 2:30 PM CDT



http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1690379/posts
Man says he might have seen Karr in '96
Rocky Mountain News ^ | 8/26/06 | Todd Hartman

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1690131/posts
False confessions have a long, storied history
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | August 25, 2006 | Carrie Macmillon


TRANSCRIPTS

Transcripts - Fri., 8/25/06 - CNN
Anderson Cooper 360 - Susan Candiotti; Bob Grant; Jean Casarez
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/25/acd.01.html
Larry King Live - Dr. Keith Ablow; Larry Kobilinsky; Jean Casarez
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/25/lkl.01.html
Nancy Grace - Ed Lavandera; Wendy Hutchens; AJ Fardella; Ed Miller
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/25/ng.01.html
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Transcripts - Thu., 8/24/06 - CNN
Paula Zahn
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/24/pzn.02.html
Nancy Grace
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/24/ng.01.html
Larry King Live
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/24/lkl.01.html
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Transcripts - Wed., 8/23/06 - CNN
Nancy Grace
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/23/ng.01.html
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Transcripts - Tue., 8/22/06 - CNN
Paula Zahn
Dan Simon, Brian Todd/Wendy Hutchens clip, Trip Demuth, Scott Robinson, David Mattingly/George McCrary/Cindy Shaw/Brenda Edwards clips, Allan Chernoff/Elias Samas clip, Mark Klaas
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/22/pzn.01.html
Nancy Grace
Ed Miller, America's Most Wanted; Jean Casarez, CourtTV; Mark Klaas; Dan Simon; Ollie Gray; John SanAgustin; Alan Ripka; Alex Sanchez, Andrew Hodges; Mark Stolorow; Teresa Alligood; Reed Hayes; Lauren Howard; Joe Mettimano
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/22/ng.01.html
Larry King Live
Dan Simon, Charlie Brennan, Patience VanZandt, Jamie Harmon, Bob Grant, Craig Silverman, Dr. Keith Ablow, Pam Paugh, Bart Baggett, Barbara Downer
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/22/lkl.01.html


Transcripts - Mon., 8/21/06
Paula Zahn with Wendy Murphy, more
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/21/pzn.01.html
LKL with Lin Wood, Charlie Brennan, more
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/21/lkl.06.html
Anderson Cooper 360 with
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/21/acd.06.html
Nancy Grace
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/21/ng.01.html
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GretaVS - OnTheRecord - 8-17-06 - Nate Karr
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,208907,00.html


2,365 posted on 08/26/2006 12:29:42 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: ableLight

I was not sure what was meant by the reference to the conjuctive surfaces of the eyes, but I looked back and it does say eyelids. however, I think this is a normal pattern for strangulation. Here's why:

LC:Let me say that the noose, made of cord similar to this, was not tied around her neck after death. He believes that she was dying of the head injury while she was strangled. His evidence,...a tell tale pattern of hemmoraging on the internal surface of her eye lids. Petechial or penpoint hemmorages.

Dr.WS: When strangulation occurs, there is a point where the blood vessels to the neck get obstructed. The blood still flows into the head, but it doesn't flow out.

LC: That's because veins, which have lower blood pressure, are shut off first. Arteries, with higher blood pressure, keep flowing longer.

Dr.WS: ........?..there is increased pressure above the knees, and tiny little blood vessels in the eyes and around the eyes, may break.

LC: Jon Benet eyes did show this pattern of hemmoraging, indicating, Spitz says, that her heart was still beating when the noose was applied. And there's always then another question: was Jon Benet sexually assaulted, and when? Experts disagree, but Spitz's review tells him that Jon Benet had no history of sexual abuse. But a splinter found during the autopsy tells him she was sexually assaulted at the time of her death, perhaps with the artist's paintbrush tied to the cord around her neck.

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=b3fa347cc35a289ce6108cc304662bd4&threadid=268706&perpage=40&pagenumber=85


2,366 posted on 08/26/2006 12:33:09 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: stlnative

Experts disagree on this.

LC: Jon Benet eyes did show this pattern of hemmoraging, indicating, Spitz says, that her heart was still beating when the noose was applied. And there's always then another question: was Jon Benet sexually assaulted, and when? Experts disagree, but Spitz's review tells him that Jon Benet had no history of sexual abuse. But a splinter found during the autopsy tells him she was sexually assaulted at the time of her death, perhaps with the artist's paintbrush tied to the cord around her neck.

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=b3fa347cc35a289ce6108cc304662bd4&threadid=268706&perpage=40&pagenumber=85


2,367 posted on 08/26/2006 12:36:13 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: stlnative

I see lots of people here using photobucket, but I can't vouch because I haven't used it.

Some have said "tinyurl" does it, too - but again, I haven't tried it.


2,368 posted on 08/26/2006 12:55:52 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: ableLight

I think it's difficult to determine which killed her. I am thinking that she was still alive when the head trauma occurred.


2,369 posted on 08/26/2006 12:58:14 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: stlnative

There was only a very slight upward deviation of the ligature furrow, at the back.


2,370 posted on 08/26/2006 12:58:57 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: ableLight

Children seem more prone to the eyelid petechiae in strangulation or asphyxia, rather than the sclera.

Here are just two study examples - there are many more available:

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American Journal of Forensic Medicine & Pathology. 21(1):1-4, March 2000.
DiMaio, Vincent J. M. M.D.
Abstract:
Homicides due to asphyxia are relatively uncommon. To better understand the presentation of such cases, the files of the Bexar County Medical Examiner's Office were reviewed from January 1, 1985, through December 31, 1998, for all such homicides. A total of 133 cases were found. The largest category was ligature strangulation with 48 deaths (21 male, 27 female). Petechiae were present in the conjunctivae and/or sclerae in 86% of the cases; fractures of the hyoid and/or thyroid cartilage were present in 12.5%. There were a total of 41 deaths from manual strangulation (27 female, 14 male). Petechiae were present in 89% of the cases. In cases of manual strangulation, fractures of the hyoid, thyroid, or cricoid cartilage were found in all the male victims and slightly more than one half of the female victims. Twenty-six cases of suffocation were found; 20 of the victims were <=2 years of age. Only 1 of these children had petechiae and/or scleral hemorrhage. Five deaths were due to choking. Three of the deaths involved adults who were gagged; 2 deaths involved infants with foreign material pushed into the mouth. Other categories of asphyxia were as follows: 9 deaths due to more than one form of asphyxia; 1 death due to hanging, and 3 deaths due to drowning. Rape was the motive in 66% of the female victims of ligature strangulation and 52% of those due to manual strangulation.

Dade County Medical Examiner Department, Miami, FL 33136.
Conjunctival petechiae were mentioned in 227 (4.5%) of 5,000 consecutive autopsy reports of the Dade County Medical Examiner Department. They were most frequently observed in those who had died natural deaths (particularly due to cardiovascular disease), followed by those who had died from asphyxia, head injury, and central nervous system disorders. The incidence of conjunctival petechiae in victims of homicidal asphyxiation was 78%. These data suggest that conjunctival petechiae most often are the result of hypoxia coupled with an acute increase in cephalic vascular pressure. The latter factor may be the consequence of mechanical vascular obstruction or acute right heart failure.


2,371 posted on 08/26/2006 1:01:59 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: ableLight

A lot of the old JonBenet files have been purged in recent years, but most of the leading forensic MDs or pathologists have commented on her case over the years.

Maybe google jonbenet with their names - Spitz, Wecht, Baden are three off the top of my head. If I think of more, I'll add them.


2,372 posted on 08/26/2006 1:04:55 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: TommyDale

And Karr is only 5'6" to 5'7". LOL, TV tab show even observed the same thing I did the other day, about Karr's weight and height fluctuation in one day's time, from 135 to 140 and from 5'6" to 5'7".

He's a regular "Zelig."


2,373 posted on 08/26/2006 1:07:46 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66

Heck, before this is over, he might confess to killing Jimmy Hoffa and Judge Crater.


2,374 posted on 08/26/2006 1:16:12 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: maggief

Yikes, he's already calling the stranger Karr. Guess the wannabe has a wannabe, lol!


2,375 posted on 08/26/2006 1:18:47 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Tall_Texan

Ya think? Hmmm ...


2,376 posted on 08/26/2006 1:20:10 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Kylie_04

The autopsy photos with the "garotte" attached weren't in general circulation - just a few Internet sites.

Then there were some of us who bought the right size paintbrushes and tried to break them in 3 places and couldn't.

Then we tried tying the handle knot with the correct sized flat cord. There is just one small blind spot in the photos where you can't quite tell the path of the cord, over or under, on the back side and that leaves a gap in the knowledge of trying to re-create the knot. And on it goes ...


2,377 posted on 08/26/2006 1:29:09 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66

Geez, Rte66, "stationery objects"?

Yes, it was some parchment colored vellum that Patsy had chosen for the Christmas newsletter, but no one knew that. Some of it had been rolled and laminated into posts, then set in wet cement to harden.

Once in the concrete, the garotte handle could be put between these two stationery objects, see?

>>>Oh, Rte66, I was thinking you probably meant "stationary" objects and just made a typo.

You're right. I did.


2,378 posted on 08/26/2006 1:33:49 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66
What this does tell us, though, is that those with access to ALL photos and the actual device should be able to recreate (or not) to determine what was and was not possible if this ever makes it to trial. This gives me some hope.

I have just been studying up on all of the info on the Wednesday panties and trying to wrap my head around that as well. The sheer volume of information that has been amassed over the years by just regular folks hoping for answers is amazing.

2,379 posted on 08/26/2006 1:40:28 PM PDT by Kylie_04 (not consuming liquids while posting since 2006)
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To: Kylie_04

Yes. Obviously they can't take the handle knot apart, as it is evidence, but they did call in a knot expert one time to consult with the BPD.

I always remember him because his surname was Van Tassel, lol. Unfortunately, his findings were among those things that haven't been leaked. People who tie knots do distinctive things that can be profiled, evidently.

The knots used have been characterized as everything from "sophisticated" and "complex" to "basic" and "rudimentary," pointing to everyone from Boy Scouts to amateur sailing enthusiasts to just plain boat owners, to mountain climbers, rappellers and campers.

Oh, and there are quite a few people who felt it could have been someone who knew how to do macrame. That always gets everyone into a "70s memories" discussion of hanging plant holders and hippie vests.

I've never gone to any bondage/S&M sites, but other posters have - I don't know the outcome. They never come back and tell us, lol. Guess they're tied up.


2,380 posted on 08/26/2006 1:51:09 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66

those two california attorneys - are out. the colorado public defender's office solely represents him now.


2,381 posted on 08/26/2006 1:52:54 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Rte66


Bump.
Sincere thanks for all of your work.


2,382 posted on 08/26/2006 2:25:26 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- "if" only 10% are radical, that's 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: Rte66
Nice to know there are a few things that didn't get leaked, I guess.

LMAO! Odd that no one ever comes back from the bondage sites to relay what they have found...pretty interesting.

Thanks for all of your work keeping everything together here in one spot.

2,383 posted on 08/26/2006 2:30:19 PM PDT by Kylie_04 (not consuming liquids while posting since 2006)
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To: Rte66; hoosiermama

In the clip of him I heard, he said Karr, then immediately backtracked and indicated it was someone who he thinks resembled Karr. I didn't want that to get left out.


2,384 posted on 08/26/2006 2:32:10 PM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: Rte66
Don't know what the broken paint brush looks like and it would have to be an identical brush.

It all depends "how" and "what" you used to break it. We've all broken a hefty stick/branch by slipping it under our foot and snapping it.

I'm more inclined than ever to think he was in the house on another day before the crime. But which one?

Did Jonbenet have a monitor in her room? If I had the same type, could I monitor it from outside? Karr said he heard Patsy read to Jonbenet. Did she usually?

That note was well thought out. Certain "items" stick out: Monitor, "big" attache case, paper bag, $118,000. The other item is of course, the pad he used to write the note.

Haven't had a paper bag in my house in years, or a monitor. My brief cases are ordinary. Pads and pens are all over my house.

Did John Ramsey have an extraordinary "briefcase"? $118,000 in the bills described only take up about 6" x 12" x 2"....less than a 500 sheet box of 8" x 11 1/2" paper. No real big attache case needed.

The cops like myself misread the note. They set up a trace to catch any call which according to even the latest report was supposed to occur between 8 & 10 on the 26th-the same morning the note was found. But that is not correct.

The call was supposed to come on the 27th....It was clarified by the "get some rest". John Karr had planned on 24 hours at the least!!

And that part of the note was very emotional/physical: Exhausting, rest....and the words pickup/delivery....It sounds more like what (let's guess) John Karr was going through at the time. Obviously, there would be no rest, no pickup, no delivery for the Ramseys. This was all about John Karr.

Now go back to Karr's neighbor who said something about moving furniture on Christmas. It reminds me of the Scott Peterson case. If John moved people, i.e., drove a U Haul for extra money, it wouldn't be unusual.

Go back to Scott Peterson. Fishing wasn't unusual. Where he went to fish was unusual.

Did John Karr move his neighbor during the holidays of 1996? Speculation? Yes?

All Karr has to be is half way between Alabama and Colorado on the AM of the 26th and "check out of a motel" shortly thereafter.

2,385 posted on 08/26/2006 2:37:45 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

Does anyone remember, factually, where the note *pad* was found? Who found it? When it was found?

I just can't remember and can't seem to find anything on it in the depositions or anything (so much to go through so might have overlooked it).

Thanks.


2,386 posted on 08/26/2006 2:46:13 PM PDT by Miztiki (Pearland, TX)
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To: Miztiki

I've read two different locations on the pad already. My big thing is, I guess, is that he was in John Ramsey's Office area (attache case, $118,000)....maybe even sat in his chair.

The holidays are an atrocious time. Things are out of order in most houses. And they have a housekeeper who I'm sure occasionally does her own thing...like the knife in the closet.


2,387 posted on 08/26/2006 3:20:38 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

I did find something that says that on the 26th of December, after JonBenet's body was found, John was asked to provide writing samples of himself and Patsy. Standard Operating Procedure apparently.

So he found a notepad that had some of Patsy's writing on it and handed it over.

So I know who found it and when, but not where.

Does anyone know what part of the house he picked that pad up from? I think I remember from memory but I want to be sure.


2,388 posted on 08/26/2006 3:39:04 PM PDT by Miztiki (Pearland, TX)
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To: Miztiki

EYELIDS


2,389 posted on 08/26/2006 4:11:40 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: Miztiki
Does anyone know what part of the house he picked that pad up from? I think I remember from memory but I want to be sure.

It's been a long time ago but I thought I remember reading that the pad in question was found in the kitchen. Where it was *before* the note was written, I have not heard.

2,390 posted on 08/26/2006 4:17:37 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: sandbar

Wow only 320 post behind....Hope I catch up tonight.


2,391 posted on 08/26/2006 4:18:23 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

I'm not sure what to think of the prior sexual abuse. There seem to be just as many experts on either side of that dispute, so we may never know.

As for the white's of the eyes, that's why I suggested we need an MD or something to look at this b/c the relevant, material question here is does petechial hemorrhaging in any place OTHER than the white's of the eyes NECESSARILY imply strangulation. I believe the answer is no, but not being an expert I'll wait and see what experts say, if and when they speak specifically to that point. This is very much a material question since petechial hemorrhaging can also be caused by head trauma.

It's easy enough to show that the coroner's report does not say anything about petechial hemorrhaging on the whites of the eye. But if we can find some expert reference that will indicate that strangulation is a necessary conclusion from some OTHER indication, then I'll go with that.


2,392 posted on 08/26/2006 4:19:15 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

"think it's difficult to determine which killed her. I am thinking that she was still alive when the head trauma occurred."

I'm pretty sure that she was alive when the head injury occured but I agree that after that it gets confusing. So, I think we're saying the same thing.


2,393 posted on 08/26/2006 4:20:49 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: Rte66

Thanks


2,394 posted on 08/26/2006 4:22:51 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

I just finished reading the *entire* deposition of Linda Arndt. She's in the "Ramseys did it" theory group. She said she 'knew it' the minute she saw JR bring JBR up from the basement b/c, partly, he was holding her oddly. He had her held up more from the abdomen up, and upright, so that her head was above his. Hmmmm...

Maybe it's an artifact of reading a deposition but she seemed rude, combative and evasive in the deposition and met with PR w/o telling anybody. Kinda odd. She seemed certain that JR had been sexually abusing JBR for a long time and that he had killed her. Anyway, there was a point in the interiew where the official (lawyer - judge?) for the court asked her if comments by co-workers that she was rude were true. She said that that is subjective. The official replied, "well, I guess it speaks for itself". I thought that was hilarious.

Just thought it was interesting. I didn't read much that would tell us much more other than it was clear that she (who was the only LE there at the time) could not account for his actions from 10:40 a.m. to noon.


2,395 posted on 08/26/2006 4:33:37 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: ableLight

"EYELIDS"

Right. Learn more about petechial hemorrhaging, and about asphyxiation (sp).

Read about congestion and petechial hemorrhaging in the lungs.

Then read JonBenet's autopsy report again. She died from asphyxiation.


2,396 posted on 08/26/2006 4:54:39 PM PDT by Miztiki (Pearland, TX)
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To: Conservative Texan Mom
It did indicate vaginal swelling and trauma, but said nothing about chronic abuse. I have read in other places that that rumor is false

TO further your point, if you check JB had a physical on 8-27-96. The vaginal area was examined then. Most Dr's will check the vaginal area, when bed wetting exists. It CAN be a symptom of sexual abuse or yeast infection. IMO He was a good dr.

TIME LINE:
http://www.acandyrose.com/timeline-transcripts1996.htmIt

2,397 posted on 08/26/2006 4:59:03 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: stlnative

Oops! Post #2367 wasn't meant for you.


2,398 posted on 08/26/2006 5:29:51 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: fatima

Ping to #2367


2,399 posted on 08/26/2006 5:31:16 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: ableLight
I've never felt that JR sexually abused JonBenet. He'd raised several other children and it was never an issue. There has never been any evidence that Patsy or John abused thier children. Some refer to JonBenet's having been diagnosed with vaginitis as proof. I have two girls, and they have both had vaginitis from time to time. Not, recently. They are older now. But, between the ages of three and six they did. I know for a fact that they aren't abused. JonBenet's pediatrician testified that there were no physical signs of sexual abuse.

I am curious if the housekeepers husband/boyfriend was ever investigated?
2,400 posted on 08/26/2006 5:47:47 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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