Skip to comments.Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (Spoiler Alert!!)
Posted on 07/11/2007 12:44:49 AM PDT by Dianna
Please DO NOT read this thread if you have not seen the movie. Even if you have read this book, topics under discussion can affect what you will expect in the last book.
Several pet theories for the Deathy Hallows have, perhaps, been laid to rest by the release of this movie. A number of plot points I had thought were important to the end of the series were completely left out of Order of the Phoenix.
1. There is absolutely NO reference to the cleaning of Grimmauld Place. Thus, any speculation about the locket horcrux being hoarded by Kreacher must be false.
2. The prophecy was never heard in full. The portion of the prophecy which could have referred to Neville instead of Harry was omitted.
3. There was no mention of Percy's estrangement from his family. Percy was shown at Fudge's side at important points, but unless his face was remembered from previous movies, people not reading the book may not have caught that.
There were two plot changes which puzzled me. Cho was the one who gave Dumbledore's Army away, not the unimportant character of Marietta. Also, Sirius, before he falls through the veil calls Harry, "James". I assume these changes have a point, but I don't know what.
There was also no reference to Hermione and Ron being Prefects. There was no Quidditch at all, so Ron would not be on the team.
I'd like to see Snape die by saving Harry and then everyone finds out he's really been a good guy all along.
It's not that I like Snape so much (although he's a great character!), but I'd HATE for Dumbledore to have made such a mistake.
IIRC, (and the kids have the books, I’ve got the tapes) it was when they were captured in her office, shortly before the was trying to work herself up to applying the Cruciatus curse on Harry.
Maybe I can find it on the tape...
I've got the book handy, I'll check it out. Thanks!
On second thought, it can wait.
LOL! If anyone else missed it, it's at the top of page 747. I can't believe I missed that!
Malfoy asked for a room where he wouldnt be disturbed.
But Trelawney got in.
Actually Malfoy asked for a room to hide something in and so did Trelawney. That’s how she got in. Harry also asked to have a room to hide something in(his potions book). I think he was given the exact same room and didn’t realize it.I’m basing this on the description of the items in the room.
She said it when she captured Harry and his friends using her fireplace the second time. Right before she tries to use the unforgiveable curse on him.
It was the same room, on page 526 it talks about him passing the vanishing cabinet when he is trying to hide his book. I think when he goes back for the book he’ll see it and realize what happened.
I don't consider Slughorn to be that perceptive a judge of talent. Snape was a prodigy at spells from his first year, long before any association with Lily
Also there's the matter of the Levicorpus levitating spell that Snape invented. In HBP, Snape's book says it's a non-verbal spell. So how would James have found out enough about Snape's non-verbal spell to be able to use it against Snape?
This is my scenario: Snape was infatuated with Lily, and helped her with her coursework. In the course of this help, Lily learned all the spells that Snape developed. Lily falls for James. Lily tells James about all Snape's spells, and James uses them against Snape
If someone you loved left you for your worst enemy, and betrayed all your confidences to your worst enemy, how would you feel about that person? Especially if you then decided that person was only using you all the while?
Correct and Umbridge uses a spell that Hermione used in Prisoner of Azkaban to break Sirus free. “Bombarda!”
Right! Wasn't she either looking for a place to hide or hide her sherry bottles?
My Husband and I saw the movie last night at 5pm and it was packed! Some couple remarked about how “angry” Harry was...some one else remarked, “of course he is angry, he’s 16” Well not technically age correct, it drew a very large laugh from the mostly adult audience...
Counting down till Saturday night....I CAN’T WAIT...it’s like Christmas and my birthday all rolled into one!...
In the beginning when Harry is walking through the field, before the dementor attack, there is a voice over talking about the weather, in Fahrenheit, not Celsius. Yet when Petunia is watching TV, they show Celsius readings...
Haven’t finished the whole thread so I don’t know if it has been mentioned or not...
My inner Mr. Blackwell was kvetching.
I'm not Jewish, but sometimes Yiddish is the only thing that will get your point across. :-)
The book goes on sale on the stroke of midnight FRIDAY night
But Trelawney got in.
Malfoy asked for a room where he could hide something. When Harry is hiding his potions book from Snape he puts it in the room of requirement and sees the vanishing cabinet. Trelawney is looking to hide her empty sherry bottles. Apparently, the room responds in a similar way to similar requests.
RE KREACHER’S IMPORTANCE:
This for anyone who has forgotten or not
read the books thoroughly:
PROBABLY the reason JKR said Kreacher is
to be important in the final book, too.
In the book, Hermione used “Alohamora” to open the window to get Sirius.
In the movie she uses “Bombarda.”
Sorry, I am reading two Potter threads and getting quite confused on the points being made. :p
*Goes back to reading about interracial dating, lying, stealing, and so forth.....*
Don’t forget underage drinking and animal cruelty.
Any bets that there’s a Horcrux hidden there?
I didn’t think about that!!
I know what you mean. I'm not sure which I'd think was worse: that Snape was evil all along or that Dumbledore could be so wrong about something so important.
I'm also trying to figure out if I'd care nearly as much for Snape if he wasn't being played by Alan Rickman, one of my favorite actors.
I don't think I would.
Shouldn’t take Harry long to find it if there’s a horcrux in the RoR. Go in to check his potions book and “Accio Voldemort’s horcrux.” Notice I was specific to Voldemort’s horcrux. He could be crushed by a dozen others, if not careful.
He is marvelous in that role.
I’ve never seen him in anything in which he wasn’t wonderful, but I am partial to his good guy roles.
This meeting always seemed strange to me. Perhaps it is Crab or Goyle using Polyjuice potion brewed to look like Tonks. If Draco's henchmen can make themselves appear to be Order members, it would be easy for them to infiltrate the Order.
Any thoughts on that? Thanks!
Later on in the book it explains this encounter. There had just been news that someone had been attacked by Fenrir Greyback. Since Lupin was undercover noone knew his whereabouts. Dumbledore’s office I believe is somewhere near the room of requirement because Harry was on his way there when he ran into Trelawney(when she was trying to hide her sherry bottles). It was told that Tonks was really trying to find Dumbledore to make certain that Lupin was alright because she was in love with him.
On a side note, I don’t think Crabbe and Goyle would know about Harry’s involvement with Lupin. Tonks asked if he had gotten any letters from anyone in the order in that exchange and I don’t think one of them would know about the order. Just MHO. :)
My prediction is that Hermoine creates a potion to cure werewolf bites in DH.
I even know the critical ingredient...
For as prim and proper as she's always seemed, she was showing a awful lot of skin.
Was that a new Dudley? I didn't like him.
Thanks for the explanation! For some reason, that scene was sticking in my memory as being unresolved. Now I remember the rest. (It’s that middle aged, hot flash, memory shot, kind of thing. LOL!)
Would you freepmail me the critical ingredient, I really want to see where you’re going with this. :)
I agree with you! This encounter always seemed out of place or "off". The Greyback explanation is a good one, though. I had never looked at it in that context (some romantic I am!).
Oh he was horrible!
Do you (or anyone really) watch "Little Britian"? He reminded me of the ghetto teenage girl who talks really fast and is always in trouble.
Caution - It’s a real groaner...
Oh he was horrible!
According to the Internet Movie Database, (IDMb.com) that was the same actor that portrayed Dudley in SS, CoS and PoA.
The actor's name is Harry Melling. And yes, I didn't like him grown up either.
I thought it was the best of all the movies so far, and I agree with the earlier comment that it was the smoothest transition of book to movie. In places, I thought it was actually preferable to the book, (in cutting the dreadfully extended “angry” scenes, teenaged tantrums, and the repetitive detentions) and I agreed with most of the cuts and changes in the interests of time.
This was the best character development of all the movies, and I give the director credit for that. Luna, Umbridge, Snape, Harry, Sirius, Neville, and the Weasley twins all shone. Ron and Hermione took somewhat of a back seat, but were portrayed much more sympathetically than the book, and gave solid performances. And my best honors go to the improvement of Michael Gambon as Dumbledore. He has almost completely redeemed himself after the last two movies. This was the best movie for seeing the scale and beauty of Hogwarts as well.
As you can see, I loved the movie and felt the old Harry Potter magic working for me again.
I agree with your comments and would add that the improvement of Dumbledore was most certainly welcome!
DANG! Now that is what I call a ringing endorsement.
Am almost done re-reading “Goblet of Fire” . . . am in a push to finish the other two before the final installment arrives Friday!
Same Dudley, Harry Melling. Just growed up and with a Yorkshire accent not his native London one.
His new look is what I was referring, too. The wannabe hip-hop kid is not a good look for any kid. My 12 year old nephew is trying to adopt it, too. Tragic.
Did anyone read ( spoiler/hacker ) Gabriel’s message about the ending? I won’t say what happen but it was interesting if it’s true.
OTOH, we always knew he'd turn out badly.
And I'll be busy trying to figure out what the sequels will look like...
I noticed a few things I hadn't before: Tonks' hair color changes from purple to red to blue when Moody introduces her as "Nymphadora." Kreacher was hiding something when Harry sees him in the hallway at Grimmauld place the first time.
Harry teaches the DA "Levicorpus" and Luna uses it on a Death Eater at the Ministry. In the books, Harry doesn't learn that spell until Half Blood Prince.
Devon Murray (Seamus) is really short. Bonnie Wright was standing beside him at the end and seemed much taller.
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